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ScareChan posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Scare to fully convince my decision on you, answer these three questions.

Seeing as chris was killed, who is a viable lynch target?

If you tracked death, why did you say that red killed chris and not death?

Are you going to heal someone tonight, if yes then who?

That's not what happened. The current theory is that death targeted chris, and chris targeted red. I'm really confused as to how you missed the crux of Scare's position right now.

I don't know... look I'm feeling drowsy from staying up so late... maybe I need to get some rest and refresh my brain... I'm throwing theories all over the place right now...

Please get some sleep because when you wake up and reread you will see that you are just a bit off right now

or you are scum so

Yeah probably scare... goodnight buddy
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Okay that's it for me tonight. Hopefully @benjamin3740 and @geno4smash4 come in with some deets sometime soon.
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hombad46 posted...

Oh yeah, and then there's whatever this nonsense was:

Chris [3] - (Scare), (Sultan), (Han), Shonen, Lolo, Pirate

I understand Scare voting him as retaliation for all the pressure he was putting on him, but I don't understand how such a bandwagon formed from that, so I'm thinking at least one or two of the other five people after him are scum

Since things seem to have slowed down I just want to say this again, since no one replied the first time
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Pirate's definitely not scum. He had an incredibly hard time trying to fake content in his scum game, but he's been providing a constant load of honest thoughts this game.

To answer your question Pirate about why I voted Jedi - I came to like Scare's end of day and wanted to keep him alive in case his role was legit. Was it a mistake killing an inactive who ended up being town? Yeah. But I dont regret it. He was the only one with enough votes to pass Scare, and at the time my process of elimination was leaving him as a big question mark.

PLUS FREAKING CHRIS was saying he got a scum vibe from him. RIP Chris by the way. I'm very sad I lost my best buddy. But HEY, now it's your turn to fill the void, Scare. Let's do it. I'll throw my chips in

##Vote: Death

People can shush up about me sheeping also. Did you not see that I have maybe pinpointed more town this game than I ever have day 1? Okay that's a little conceited. But I do have thoughts. I have many thoughts
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##Vote: Sultan

Why? His defense-not-defense of red on that train. It reeked of an aligned pair then and it still does now.
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hombad46 posted...

hombad46 posted...

Oh yeah, and then there's whatever this nonsense was:

Chris [3] - (Scare), (Sultan), (Han), Shonen, Lolo, Pirate

I understand Scare voting him as retaliation for all the pressure he was putting on him, but I don't understand how such a bandwagon formed from that, so I'm thinking at least one or two of the other five people after him are scum

Since things seem to have slowed down I just want to say this again, since no one replied the first time

Definitely Lolo. Han and Chris both pointed it out at the time how convoluted Lolo's Chris vote was
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Man, I keep trying to add to the discussion, but I cannot think. I'm gonna follow Pirate and take a rest for the night- don't worry, I'll be here more than usual tomorrow to make up for it. (Well, I would have anyway because Thursday is my not-busy day, but still.)
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Pendragon71037 posted...

I mean, I'd like to take a look at Han, or maybe FD, but since people seem to want to wait until tomorrow for Han, and Chris seems to think FD is Town...sure, I can be patient.
Meanwhile, this:
DoomTheGyarados posted...

Jedi has done worse than nothing, I actively tried to get him engaged and he ignored me.

Is good enough for me. Well, that's not true, but combined with my memory of him -and, yeah, that's pretty much how it went- I can get behind a Jedi lynch.

##Vote: Jedi

Chris did not think FD was town. I said FD was town once and Chris said I was wrong. If FD was a real sucm read I think you wouldnt have gotten Chris' feelings toward FD wrong, and thus wouldnt have let it sway you?
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Red was around at end of day and just didnt vote at all. For anyone. Might point to Scare being townif he didnt care which of Scare, Jedi, Chris was lynched
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benjamin3740 posted...

Pendragon71037 posted...

I mean, I'd like to take a look at Han, or maybe FD, but since people seem to want to wait until tomorrow for Han, and Chris seems to think FD is Town...sure, I can be patient.
Meanwhile, this:
DoomTheGyarados posted...

Jedi has done worse than nothing, I actively tried to get him engaged and he ignored me.

Is good enough for me. Well, that's not true, but combined with my memory of him -and, yeah, that's pretty much how it went- I can get behind a Jedi lynch.

##Vote: Jedi

Chris did not think FD was town. I said FD was town once and Chris said I was wrong. If FD was a real sucm read I think you wouldnt have gotten Chris' feelings toward FD wrong, and thus wouldnt have let it sway you?

This is not accurate.

Chris did call me town, and he did it near the end of day as well. There was only one point during the day at which he questioned me.
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FD, can you show me? Because this is the last thing I remember regarding you

DoomTheGyarados posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Chris before the day is over I wanna get your big ol town list. And point out if you think anything on mine is wrong.

I

Doop and FD.

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But before I get into catching up, let me just bust a mighty flex .

I'm on fucking fire these last 2 games. I wasn't convinced red was scum when night voted him 10 posts into the topic, obviously, but I became more sleep more convinced as the day progressed. I even stood my ground against Chris trying to move the lynch elsewhere (until he claimed 100% knowledge that scare was scum) and rather than follow him onto the pointless jedi lynch I stuck to my guns.

I'm going to assume that Chris shot red though, so for that I will forgive Chris for the way he dominated the course of the end of day 1. Ill go a step further even and assume Chris only did that because he had decided he was going to use his vig shot already and wanted to get info from a lynch that he wasn't already going to blow away.

But regardless, I'm awesome and I'm clearly town.

And my break is ending so I'll be back later.
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Oh. ONE MORE THING.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

FD is good people.

*Waggles eyebrows seductively*
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benjamin3740 posted...

FD, can you show me? Because this is the last thing I remember regarding you

DoomTheGyarados posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Chris before the day is over I wanna get your big ol town list. And point out if you think anything on mine is wrong.

I

Doop and FD.

Yeah.

That's his town list.

No?
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

FD, can you show me? Because this is the last thing I remember regarding you

DoomTheGyarados posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Chris before the day is over I wanna get your big ol town list. And point out if you think anything on mine is wrong.

I

Doop and FD.

Yeah.

That's his town list.

No?

No those are the ones on mine he thought were wrong. Clearly. SInce he didnt like Doop at all and had been calling HB and Geno confirmed town at the start.

But yeah it doesnt matter too much now what he thought of you, I'm just trying to figure out why Pendrgaon said Chris town read you
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And yes, you are town and I nobody better ever forget it
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Really? You're trying to frame me? Me, of all people?On day2 already???

Well that makes things easy.

##Vote: Scare

I will get to all other points in due time. Seeing as how I can explain each and every last one of them.

But first of let me say.
Yes Scare I had no trouble leaving my vote on you again
I wanted all your actions because I wanted a full claim. Because there was no way I could see a townscare not claiming after the trouble it caused him last game. Together with the claim flub and me seeing a lack of enthusiasm, I felt no mercy for you at all.

I mean, the biggest problem to me was that a Jack claim made no sense when it seemed like each role was relegated to just one move.

However a few things made me question you being scum again.
1.Jedimass flipping nilla Pikachu without a move in his flavor.
2. You claiming doctor seems unsafe, even if its 1shot. A scumjack might try to fake safer powers that dont get countered easily.

So I eased off on you...

But not anymore I guess!
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Also I guess Chris shot red for us.
Hurray!

But man, first he let go of red and then Scare.. Poor Chris

I am really liking all the arguments Harris is bringing up against Scare btw
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Hbthebattle posted...

Wouldn't the obvious answer be that scum has no roleblocker?

That is NEVER the answer. Try again, Scare.

As far as we know, scum had no better roleblock target.
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Okay I suppose Chris is also a worthy target. But they also killed him, and seemingly didnt block him.
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htaeD posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Wouldn't the obvious answer be that scum has no roleblocker?

That is NEVER the answer. Try again, Scare.

As far as we know, scum had no better roleblock target.

Is it assumed on here that scum always has a roleblocker just like they always have an unblockable kill
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Roleblocker, I cant recall a game without one. Though there was that one time scum had a double roleblocker who could only block each alternating nightphase.

Unstopable kill. Not always, but more often than not.
It varies a lot. Sometimes its just an add to their normal kill (a strongman from a jack for example)
Sometimes its an assassin.
Once it was a dayvig <.< >.>
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"goddammit Death stop calling me a lurker how many goddamn times to I have to tell you I'm at high school"

Lol. Cut me some slack though. I havent done that here yet!

And even though Scare has outed himself, I might as well address his ISO. Though I will ignore all the parts where he is just quoting me without giving an opinion or read on it.

Just says that Han claiming was weird, scum like to say stuff is weird a lot to not say if its towny or scummy. will see if he pressed han later

I dont think I did, it fell into the back of my mind. Mostly because I figured he was lying for a reason anyway and didnt want to bring attention to it. And also i felt Han was acting too different to be scum this game.

didnt even pay attention to who was posting. I have been s*** and not paid attention this game, but death lacking like that, especially when game is literally only 2 pages is not like him

It was still early, I hadnt fully caught up yet. Also I miss stuff all the time in mafia, thats not a scum or town thing really.

ScareChan posted...

htaeD posted...

(Also I cant see Scare linking himself to Ben so easily if he is scum either..)

*looks to Death's vote*

Not making any sense here. What was this referring to, Scare?
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I mean I am down to lynch Jedi

but can we just special Death?

Trying to sheep Chris here, even though Chris was already voting elsewhere

Third party hunting day 1

ayeee

Thats not third party hunting. That was part of the discussion ongoing about Geno.
How nice of you to cut all the context and all the other players talking about...
Scare

...
And that was it.
That wasnt even a good ISO, Scare. Your only major point was 'lol death pays more attention usually'. And I adressed that already. (the answer is: no I am not)
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*No I do not

Allthough that makes me sound worse than I think I am too. Ah well
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Meanwhile Ben loses a lot of townpoints for voting Jedi, while Han gains some (more than he already needs IMO) by voting Scare.
I also like HB unvoting near the end, putting Scare at risk.
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Missed this

htaeD posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...

Eh, I am me, it doesn't matter.

Because town powers are renamed this game.

Damnit Chris..

This is what I was thinking too though.

Then why did you want to same time claim info with me/Chrs/han and the like? Out that much info at once?

Because I am an idiot.
I actually didnt see the word 'powers' there. My actual thinking was that ALL players get renamed/all characters get moves next to their name, vanillas too.
And Scare was flubbing his claim by not giving a move along with his power.
Though then I was weirded out by Pikachu's moveless flip and started thinking that vanillas may have no move listed next to their name at all. But now Chris has flipped without revealing his move too. So I guess moves just arent revealed upon death.

As for the sametime. I am pretty sure others were saying they wanted to reveal their thoughts as well. I am gonna have to look back at that later. I didnt think I was outing powers at the time.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

##Vote: Sultan

Why? His defense-not-defense of red on that train. It reeked of an aligned pair then and it still does now.

Um no I clearly don like red and I've explained to you several times it had nothing to do with red but more so bat and ben to get an explanation out of why a vote with no explanation and bats was really bad beacuse he voted then left.

Also some quick thoughts. I really dont like Han right now at the end of the day he did a shit ton of vote jumping he tried to offer up Chris as a B8 special and 1 of the 2 reasons I didnt jump onto that train is beacuse I've felt uneasy about Han majority of the day and had a really strong scum vibe from him . 2 after rereading and taking a mental break I realized chris was absolutely town and I was just getting some "PTSD" or dajavu of what happened with corrik last game.

Also I really like Scares thought process beacuse it was kind of obvious that scum would go after chris and if for the slim chance that he wasnt roleblocked (still confused on why he wasnt) he could follow someone right to the kill. But this is also a bit of a chess game. Do I believe scare is telling the truth or not. If he isnt this is a very risky and kind of silly trade off a 1 for 1 unless scare knows that Death is a town power by a scan or something so I'm not going to vote death yet if I do think I can trust scare plus the day just started.
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I can promise you now
I did not move to Chris. And I have good reasons to assume I was not redirected towards him either.
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What I really dont like is no scum team could be possibly that stupid not to block scare after that claim. I mean sure scare could be lying about the claim and the scan scare or something but still not so sure about why they wouldn't block scare.
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I also can think of one reason why a townscare wouldnt be blocked
But that would need scare being town <.<
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And yes Scare could also be lying as town I suppose. But I already saw him as scum before the false track anyway.
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Terra what do you want from me? I have nothing to give you until Night 2. The only thing I can say is that I asked eaed about the drunk part in my text. He said he didn't rename it because that's not my true role, which I assumed but I guess nice to have confirmation.

geno4smash4 posted...

Terra what do you want from me? I have nothing to give you until Night 2. The only thing I can say is that I asked eaed about the drunk part in my text. He said he didn't rename it because that's not my true role, which I assumed but I guess nice to have confirmation.

This is a creative role and I dont think geno would be able to make that shit up as a player so I'm thinking Geno is probably town.
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Been meaning to say that earlier
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I have seen a claim like this before
But I cant remember if Geno saw that, or if it was even a real role (and not just a fakeclaim)
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I've never seen geno before but I've only p ppl aged 4 games and followed 1 where I signed up s a replacement
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Wtf phone.... only played 4 games*
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So much for people being around before I go to work
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I am working right now
Sorry!
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Interestingly Lolo followed me on my two previous lynches and is now voting for me.

Guess he was the scum in the scare/lolo pairing.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hi Han, thanks for catching scum Lolo being super obvious.

I am on Jedi because I good faith think he is scum, I am not trying to be a hero I am trying to catch scum.

The fluidity in this end day makes me like that tbh

Considering these and my earlier thoughts about the strange sudden bandwagon on Chris, I'm going to

##Vote: Lolo
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hombad46 posted...

Nice catch Harris. Also, I think we should look at who voted for him and guess who might've been trying to bus

red13n [1] - (FD), (Chris), (Ben), (Shonen), (Han), (Lolo), (Sultan), (HB), FD, (Pirate)

Lolo was also on the red13n bandwagon, making me think he was trying to bus him
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So much for people being around before I go to work

Yeah this is so annoying, when I'm around it's 1 post per hour, when I sleep it's 3 topics and people pinging me thinking I'm online.

Actually considering red was scum and Scare (as far as I am concerned) is scum, Lolo not joining Chris on the one town train is a good look.

Unless he was that unwilling to dirty his hands.
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The curse of timezones, Geno.
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htaeD posted...

However a few things made me question you being scum again.
1.Jedimass flipping nilla Pikachu without a move in his flavor.
2. You claiming doctor seems unsafe, even if its 1shot. A scumjack might try to fake safer powers that dont get countered easily.

So I eased off on you...

But not anymore I guess!

How in the world would reasoning #1 cause you to ease off Scare when it happened after the day was over? Plus, Scare claimed he had flavor anyway. So what pikachu having no mobe flavor in flip made you think Scare was lying and. ..thus town?
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htaeD posted...

Missed this

htaeD posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...

Eh, I am me, it doesn't matter.

Because town powers are renamed this game.

Damnit Chris..

This is what I was thinking too though.

Then why did you want to same time claim info with me/Chrs/han and the like? Out that much info at once?

Because I am an idiot.
I actually didnt see the word 'powers' there. My actual thinking was that ALL players get renamed/all characters get moves next to their name, vanillas too.
And Scare was flubbing his claim by not giving a move along with his power.
Though then I was weirded out by Pikachu's moveless flip and started thinking that vanillas may have no move listed next to their name at all. But now Chris has flipped without revealing his move too. So I guess moves just arent revealed upon death.

As for the sametime. I am pretty sure others were saying they wanted to reveal their thoughts as well. I am gonna have to look back at that later. I didnt think I was outing powers at the time.

What do you mean you didn't see the word powers? It was you who told Chris "I see what you see", and then suggested we all reveal what we see in Scares claim at the same time. There was no post that talked about powers when you wanted us to same time the info.
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Scare loves surviving as long as he can as scum, and he is happy to be called "the slipperiest scum ever" and the like. I don't think he would ever go 1 for 1 after my experiences with him tbh
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I really hate Terra showing up and saying "jedi was a bad lynch".

Scum often claim they wouldn't have been on Town lynches that they werent around for.

Pirate is probably Town for not realizing Red was Scum.

Geno, my role is Mega Man, veteran metal Blade. I am asking you to clarify your claim in that format

htaeD posted...

I am really liking all the arguments Harris is bringing up against Scare btw

Ok, no, any credibility you had is now gone. You have soft claimed information - you're probably not getting out of today without giving that information.

I mean, Scare I guess has one opportunity to confirm he wasn't bluffing.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

my role is Mega Man, veteran metal Blade. I am asking you to clarify your claim in that format

Are you just giving an example of the format, or are you actually claiming that?
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