Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1318

(+) Yeah! (+)

No it's alright, I can believe in rSFF from Zelda.

I'm kind of hoping the next matches stats will help fix it. Like, having Zelda get beaten by Mario or Cloud or Samus in Losers after she loses to Link. I feel Zelda is the kind of character who is the most likely to be abandoned by voters here, because they may be feeling the LoZ oversaturation.

LEAD BACK TO 6

THEY ARE PUTTING EVERYTHING INTO THlS
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Snake easily lost to Cloud in 2007 and beat him in 08 when Seph was there and then when Crono was. But yeah, your point stands.

Mega Man is really stalling
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XIII_rocks posted...

Snake likely boosted in matches independent of Nintendo but he's facing a core N character

Since his major boost(s), Snake has never had a good run against Nintendo characters. He has always beaten the likes of Seph, Sonic, Cloud (in 4-ways). And like I said earlier, in 06 a Smash-announcement-boosted Snake still lost handily to Samus after running through Megaman, Sonic and Crono (indirectly). This is basically the same thing happening I would wager.

Yes but he practically tied with Zelda in the direct match.

Does playing a Smash game instead of just watching trailers changes people's opinions too much? Like, they turned the Switch on and immediately spent hours maining Samus and Zelda while ignoring Snake?

Idk man

Why did people suddenly start voting for Snake because he was announced for the game? Smash does weird shit.

I loved Snake going from weak link of the n9 to one of the strongest, but the way it happened - just being announced for Smash - was laughable.

THREE AGAIN!
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It's like if in tomorrow's match MM went to break 49% on Cloud. It would throw stats out of the window. And then someone went and told me "but MM is more Nintendo than Cloud so being in Smash boosted him in the last 2 days". I mean sure but that feels a little overcomplicated.

Why is no one bringing up the fact BT is obviously vote stuffing?

That seems like the opposite of overcomplicated to me. If anything it seems the most logical explanation.
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FinalFantasyVll posted...

Why is no one bringing up the fact BT is obviously vote stuffing?

Wait what

Megaman is just clinging to that lead with everything he has
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XIII_rocks posted...

That seems like the opposite of overcomplicated to me. If anything it seems the most logical explanation.

I don't think so, if not like you look at the character screen in Smash with those 70 characters and think "oh my, Mega Man is soooooo Nintendo. I think I like him more than others now".

Smash boosts tend to be more linear than that I think.

sounds like MWC is admitting to vote stuffing Zelda

b7
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More Smash fans are on the site I'd wager, Smash fans are predominantly N fans, N fans lean MM

OH SHIT LEAD CHANGE
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I've heard this theory but I have a hard time thinking Smash would boost one or two characters to the sky while ignoring the rest who are also on Smash. It sounds too random.

Comparing Samus's role in Smash to Snake's in any release that isn't Smash Bros Brawl, is laughable. It's absolutely likely that Samus gets a bigger boost than Snake who is sorta just happy to be there at this point.
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Barrier down!

Finally!
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For the record, Mega Man did poorly against Pikachu in this timeframe. He rebounded in the last two hours so I wouldn't call this match over just yet.
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MM nearly made it 19 hours, but this is Crono's match now without a shift
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Lopen posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I've heard this theory but I have a hard time thinking Smash would boost one or two characters to the sky while ignoring the rest who are also on Smash. It sounds too random.

Comparing Samus's role in Smash to Snake's in any release that isn't Smash Bros Brawl, is laughable. It's absolutely likely that Samus gets a bigger boost than Snake who is sorta just happy to be there at this point.

You mean because she doesn't have to be unlocked?

Does seeing Samus in a character screen really make ~7% of the site turn their opinions on her around?

XIII_rocks posted...

MM nearly made it 19 hours, but this is Crono's match now without a shift

KamikazePotato posted...

For the record, Mega Man did poorly against Pikachu in this timeframe. He rebounded in the last two hours so I wouldn't call this match over just yet.

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If Crono has a lead of 150 with 2 hours left it's super over. 100 too probably
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Lopen posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I've heard this theory but I have a hard time thinking Smash would boost one or two characters to the sky while ignoring the rest who are also on Smash. It sounds too random.

Comparing Samus's role in Smash to Snake's in any release that isn't Smash Bros Brawl, is laughable. It's absolutely likely that Samus gets a bigger boost than Snake who is sorta just happy to be there at this point.

You mean because she doesn't have to be unlocked?

Does seeing Samus in a character screen really make ~7% of the site turn their opinions on her around?

Yes

Again

Snake boosted from being an embarrassment to the n9 to BEATING SEPHIROTH based on a TRAILER
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XIII_rocks posted...

If Crono has a lead of 150 with 2 hours left it's super over. 100 too probably

Even 250 is not safe:

We've had blatant vote stuffing multiple times since 10 last night.

2 hours is 24 updates. To not think they could not cheat 6 extra votes an update is insane.

In the last 3.5 hours of the match, Mega Man increased his lead on Pikachu by 113 after having lost ground up until then. 150 is probably too tall of an order though.
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KamikazePotato posted...

In the last 3.5 hours of the match, Mega Man increased his lead on Pikachu by 113 after having lost ground up until then. 150 is probably too tall of an order though.

Yeah after your post I went and counted it up.

This could be that last-minute nailbiter I wanted.
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I don't ever post here but I just came to ask how did Zelda beat Mario?

Linkzcap posted...

I don't ever post here but I just came to ask how did Zelda beat Mario?

GoodtasteFAQs

Best result this contest has ever seen in its history.

Linkzcap posted...

I don't ever post here but I just came to ask how did Zelda beat Mario?

hentai
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Snake's boost from 2006 onward wasn't ALL Smash. MGS4's hype and reception also played a big part.

...And with the general decline in MGS4's reputation since I guess it makes sense for Snake to lose ground!
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Also while Samus might be overperforming on Snake here for any number of reasons, overall I think this discussion has a more simple answer: Samus is strong. Really really strong. She was naturally stronger than Snake in 2006 and she's naturally stronger this year too. She blew out Tifa who proceeded to turn around and clown Sephiroth, and then she held up fantastically against Mario despite the Hierarchy having 60-40d her last time around. Until proven otherwise, Samus is the #2 on this site.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

You mean because she doesn't have to be unlocked?

Does seeing Samus in a character screen really make ~7% of the site turn their opinions on her around?

I mean she doesn't have to be unlocked
Is a fan favorite from the original 12, having only lost to Link (and dominating Mario, who lost to Kirby Captain Falcon and Pikachu to throw out the theory that it's all just contest strength) in the Smash character poll
Is in all the games instead of just two of them

Like it's not even close which character it matters more for.
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Oh.... I just can't BELIEVE MY SHOCK!!!

Crono got the lead to 20, and MM cuts 3 times in a row:

I just don't know what to say, knock me over with a feather....

SERIOUSLY.

WHY
THE
FUCK
IS
NO
ONE
COMMENTING
ON
THE
BLATANT
VOTE
STUFFING
THE
PAST
SIXTEEN
HOURS!?!!??!!!!!!!

Yeah Crono's votestuffer slacks off when he gets the lead and Mega Man recovers

Very blatant vote stuffing.
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MWC just upset someone's stuffing better than he is

b7
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Snake's boost from 2006 onward wasn't ALL Smash. MGS4's hype and reception also played a big part.

...And with the general decline in MGS4's reputation since I guess it makes sense for Snake to lose ground!

In addition to this, Snake's triumph over Sephiroth in 2006 was in the darn Battle Royale. And Snake had finished behind Sephiroth the first two days - he just somehow gained enough votes from Mario and Samus leaving to just barely upend Sephiroth within an inch of his life.

Also, Snake had had a decently good showing in 2005. The Brawl trailer alone hardly accounts for ALL of Snake's strength increase. The problem is that he looked bad in 2004 and then looked godly in comparison just two years later - but MGS3, MGS4 hype, and Brawl hype can do that to a guy.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Snake's boost from 2006 onward wasn't ALL Smash. MGS4's hype and reception also played a big part.

...And with the general decline in MGS4's reputation since I guess it makes sense for Snake to lose ground!

Snake hasnt been in a game since mgs4. If he had been in mgsv no doubt hed be stronger.
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Actually fuck it never mind

Crono gonna pull away? He just DOUBLED HIS LEAD
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I have like 10 MWC accounts on ignore and I strongly suggest that everyone follows suit.
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Doubled lead in 5 minutes after taking over 19 hours to get there?

These Crono vote stuffers are so audacious I swear
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For FUCK'S SAKES, Mega Man!
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are we going to be seeing Cloud vs Crono again, oh boy
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Have we ever seen that before in a close match towards the end?

Exact same vote totals in a 5 minute block?

no we've never ever once in the history of contests seen two characters go 50/50 for five minutes
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Fucking imbecile
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XIII_rocks posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Lopen posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I've heard this theory but I have a hard time thinking Smash would boost one or two characters to the sky while ignoring the rest who are also on Smash. It sounds too random.

Comparing Samus's role in Smash to Snake's in any release that isn't Smash Bros Brawl, is laughable. It's absolutely likely that Samus gets a bigger boost than Snake who is sorta just happy to be there at this point.

You mean because she doesn't have to be unlocked?

Does seeing Samus in a character screen really make ~7% of the site turn their opinions on her around?

Yes

Again

Snake boosted from being an embarrassment to the n9 to BEATING SEPHIROTH based on a TRAILER

But that was him suddenly becomeing part of a fanbase he wasn't part of before.

Nintendo fans shouldn't change their opinions on Samus all of a sudden based on a game they played 4 times before. Not to this degree.

Lopen posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

You mean because she doesn't have to be unlocked?

Does seeing Samus in a character screen really make ~7% of the site turn their opinions on her around?

I mean she doesn't have to be unlocked
Is a fan favorite from the original 12, having only lost to Link (and dominating Mario, who lost to Kirby Captain Falcon and Pikachu to throw out the theory that it's all just contest strength) in the Smash character poll
Is in all the games instead of just two of them

Like it's not even close which character it matters more for.

Yes but.

You turn on your Switch. See Samus in a character screen. The same screen you saw four times before. And think: "now I like her more than Snake".

I don't get it. I love Smash as much as anyone else but it doesn't change my opinion radically on already estabilished Nintendo characters every time I play it for 1 day.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I don't get it.

That's fine, I don't either, but it's what happens

Like in fairness we'll never ~KNOW~ but you can make informed guesses
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XIII_rocks posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I don't get it.

That's fine, I don't either, but it's what happens

Like in fairness we'll never ~KNOW~ but you can make informed guesses

I don't agree that's what happens either. Sorry.

If your explanation is limited to "Samus is strong in Smash therefore Smash release boosts her" but you ignore the fact everybody played Smash already and fail to explain what voters are actually thinking, it doesn't make sense.

I don't think it takes much to change a mind, people don't put much thought into their votes imo. Could even be a subconscious thing

Also it's not the same voters every time obviously
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

And think: "now I like her more than Snake".

You think "I like both but I'm going to vote Samus and Samus is awesome, and I think that because I see her right here"

Like you're not converting people who really like Snake a lot more. People who just appreciate both characters though? Recency factor means a lot.
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Yeah, having a list of favorite characters is a very B8 thing and the average voter doesn't think of it that way.
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