Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis

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Dave made a point that I hadnt considered as to why Miz vs Shane isnt working

Does anyone really buy that Shane is afraid of being locked in a cage with The Miz
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Sorry to anyone I offended is saying "I believe what I said but shouldn't have said it" which... depending on what was said is often fine.

Sorry if I offended anyone is "you shouldn't have been offended" and is garbage in all circumstances.

Just "sorry" implies that you were wrong outright, which isn't always the case and is often less sincere than the first option. Apologies shouldn't always necessarily be about making the offensive party bend the knee though. I'm not sure exactly what the guy said but yeah.
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It was some pretty bad racist and homophobic stuff

And years of posts about it
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Oh okay. I wasn't sure since calling Vince a cocaine addict sounds like something not worth being actually sorry for

So I mean he's probably still racist and homophobic unless it was more along the lines of bad jokes.

Boils down to do you want a real apology, which you got, or do you want the guy to feign changing, I guess.
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Lopen posted...

So I mean he's probably still racist and homophobic unless it was more along the lines of bad jokes.

Not bad jokes.

Im fine with his apology if hes sincere about changing. I cant say whether he did change or not.

I hate when people want to give people second chances before they even do the bare minimum to suggest they deserve one, but Lars has done that bare minimum IMO.

But ultimately its his peers in the locker room he has to make good to. I mean it must be awkward working with R-Truth after you called Truth and Kofi a black prison gang tag team
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I dunno black prison gang tag team sounds like a bad joke to me

Like a really bad joke. Not James Gunn harmless bad but like actually bad enough that the person making it probably is a little racist

So that kind of apology maybe fits? The thing is if you're 'a little' racist you can generally get by in society without ruffling people if you just realize what you're doing is offensive and have some tact, which is what "sorry if I offended anyone" is.
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So last night on Raw regarding MitB

3 of the women lost to someone not in the match

Ricochet lost

Sami looked like a total doofus (which is fine but for context)

These MitB matches are filled with winners
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Lopen posted...

I dunno black prison gang tag team sounds like a bad joke to me

Like a really bad joke. Not James Gunn harmless bad but like actually bad enough that the person making it probably is a little racist

So that kind of apology maybe fits? The thing is if you're 'a little' racist you can generally get by in society without ruffling people if you just realize what you're doing is offensive and have some tact, which is what "sorry if I offended anyone" is.

Well all the worst stuff wasnt about actual wrestlers, just gay men and Muslims and black people in general
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Anyway my point is that a dude who is saying this kinda stuff with regularity probably isn't going to change that much in so short a time so if you want a "better" apology you probably want him to lie more than you want something sincere.

Just trying to function in society without making people uncomfortable is all you can reasonably expect as step one.
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Steiner posted...

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/wwe-fines-lars-sullivan-100000-controversial-remarks

interesting

Were they made while he was employed? Because how can you fine him for things he said when he wasn't working for you
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ScareChan posted...

while he was employed

We went over this <_<

But some of the later ones were posted after he first signed in 2013
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Jakyl25 posted...

ScareChan posted...

while he was employed

We went over this <_<

But some of the later ones were posted after he first signed in 2013

I didn't read after that post my bad

Fair, next
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2.58M
2.39M
2.08M

Average 2.35M viewers which is up from 2.24M last week

But thats with 0 NBA competition this week

Next week theyre against a Warriors playoff game
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I thought fines were all just a kayfabe thing (so and so was fined 10K for assaulting a referee, etc). But they're obviously not gonna bring this into a storyline soooooo what the hell. There's no way he's got 100K right now. Ricochet had to start a GoFundMe for his Mom and I can't imagine their pay is too different

This is pretty cool:

https://www.cagesideseats.com/platform/amp/wwe/2019/5/14/18623796/secret-origin-bray-wyatt-new-mask
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Hey that reminds me, after next weeks TV, Ricochet and Black will come off their probation period and graduate to main roster contract status and start making main roster money

Unless they get sent back down to NXT within the next week <_<

The bad part is that theyll actually have to start paying their own travel expenses like everyone else too

I dont know whether Lars 90-day call-up contract clock would have started when they originally called him up in January (which would mean hes already making main roster money) or when he actually debuted in April (which would mean hes not). I would PRESUME the former.
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Could the $100k fine be subtracted over the course of his contract?
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I have no idea but I imagine so
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Actually my bad, I counted wrong, MitB would be the first day OF their main roster contracts

So at least Ricochet wont be jumping off ladders for developmental money
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He can consider child support for his racism baby.
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So Bray is just a more crazy Balor now where he can turn on his monster persona when he wants?
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It kind of works if you buy into the theory that the Firefly Funhouse is a physical manifestation of his mind after psychotherapy to help him overcome his demons
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Jakyl25 posted...

It kind of works if you buy into the theory that the Firefly Funhouse is a physical manifestation of his mind after psychotherapy to help him overcome his demons

Except the Demons are winning.
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Yes, theyve adapted!
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I was just hoping the Mr Roger's act would last longer before the crazy came out.
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Maniac64 posted...

I was just hoping the Mr Roger's act would last longer before the crazy came out.

He laughing maniacally after cutting a cardboard cutout of himself with a chainsaw. I think the Act was already dropped on day one.
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yeah but there's that and there's OOGA BOOGA SPOOKY MASK
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I like the mask!
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I don't!
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Why not!?
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wat evar not my thang
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Fun fact: Firefly Fun House has 1.7 million views on youtube.

The next most viewed video from RAW? Roman Reigns and Miz vs. Elias and Bobby Lashley at 1.3 million.
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yowie wowie
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https://twitter.com/Sempervive/status/1128632080533999616?s=19

Anybody seen mwc
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aww man and I have to wait all day to get home and @ him with that post he made a couple months ago.
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So I actually don't remember - are there any folks left here that just watch WWE? And if so, does AEW getting a deal on a major network make you inclined to watch it when it starts?
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I don't really watch WWE anymore (and if I do it's like an hour a week while I'm doing other stuff).

But I will absolutely watch AEW.
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Not counting watching Wrestle Kingdom annually, I would still fit into that. I never watched WCW when it was airing either.

Whether if I'll watch AEW I'll give it a shot, really depends when its airing and how it would fit into my schedule
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Dragon Lee vs SHO was another great one.
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CybrMonkey posted...

Dragon Lee vs SHO was another great one.

I'm excited for this!
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NBIceman posted...

So I actually don't remember - are there any folks left here that just watch WWE? And if so, does AEW getting a deal on a major network make you inclined to watch it when it starts?

Yes and yes
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Just finished SD

Six wild cards

They got it right ONE DAY.
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If they throw AEW up on Hulu I'll check it out. But WWE is the only fed I've ever followed partially because I'm too lazy to seek out other stuff.

So I just found out my buddy was on Up Up Down Down like two years ago and he never told me.

That son of a bitch.
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I'm fine with the Firefly Funhouse

haven't the foggiest who/what the thing in the mask is supposed to be

but I enjoy the phrase "Yowie wowie"
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This is a really good read. A guy who knows three WWE writers, apparently verified by Wade Keller, discussed the situation with creative. Essentially, it's what we all think: Vince McMahon is the issue. But it's got a lot of interesting things in it.

https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/triple-h-is-reportedly-the-most-frustrated-person-in-wwe/
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1.83M for SmackDown. New record low for the show on USA. 2nd lowest ever
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

This is a really good read. A guy who knows three WWE writers, apparently verified by Wade Keller, discussed the situation with creative. Essentially, it's what we all think: Vince McMahon is the issue. But it's got a lot of interesting things in it.

https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/triple-h-is-reportedly-the-most-frustrated-person-in-wwe/

Sean Ross Sapp said that these stories in general sound correct to him based on info hes heard from his sources inside WWE before
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Trent on AEW. Support a board 8 celebrity legend!
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Vince needs to be forced out if they want the company to continue existing.

Edit: Also, I feel bad for Dana Brooke after reading that
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