Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 8: Topic 5

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If there were more scenes for Dany+Jorah and Dany+Missandei recently, we could embrace the swap sooner.

It just doesn't really feel earned. Alluded to, but not really earned.

I had a thought in the shower - would've liked for Dany to NOT go mad queen, but Cersei set up a wildfire trap that basically caused a chain reaction when Dany attacked the Red Keep. Turn the populace against Dany, so that when everyone thinks Dany went bad and killed all the innocents, she would snap and start roasting.

Would've been better than tHe BeLlS tOlD mE tO
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ah yes viserys what a victim with his threatening her and her unborn child in front of a clan of very prideful warriors

The particular manner of punishment was cruel but Viserys was asking for a cruel death given the values and beliefs of the Dothraki. tbqh I'm not sure Daenerys could have stopped it. If she succeeded it may have weakened Drogo's status in the eyes of the other Dothraki.

Of all the actions you can point to in Daenerys's past that is like the least applicable.
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I think what people need to remember is that Daenerys is still only in her very early 20s with all of her character building years being when she is young. Given what she has gone through during those years coupled with her age and not knowing any different, it's very easy to see why she snapped. Yeah not great if you are a fan of her but it's pretty understandable. I think she is supposed to be maybe what? 23? In the books shes younger than that too

Dany was always just looking for love and devotion.

She'd been saying it for a few episodes, these people will never love her.

They probably hammered home the mad queen bit a too hard in the little pre-episode sound flashbacks, but it was always coming.
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It doesn't matter how applicable it is, it's just the first one in a long line.

He wasn't actually gonna kill her. And again, he's PISSED OFF because the army he was promised is busy lolly gagging around the Grass Sea instead of going to help him take back his throne.

Love how y'all will excuse everything Daenarys has done and will also justify letting her brother get executed like this.
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Samurai7 posted...

No one else thought it was weird that the dragon fire makes stone just completely explode and that it cuts through towers like a hot knife through butter? How did Harrenhal manage to get melted? Why didn't Varys and the Tarlys bodies get projectiled like cannon balls from the force? Seemed super weird and immersion breaking to me.

The effects made the dragon a fighter jet that drops fire bombs
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Of all the complaints in this episode, the dragon being too strong shouldn't even register.
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Anagram posted...

Of all the complaints in this episode, the dragon being too strong shouldn't even register.

Nah, it's very valid.

If you read anything about Balerion the Black Dread, he was like twice the size of Drogon and breathed flames so hot they were black, and even he couldn't blow apart Harrenhal like Drogon did to the Red Keep. It was very stupid, and very off putting.
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CoolCly posted...

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ExThaNemesis posted...

Anagram posted...

Of all the complaints in this episode, the dragon being too strong shouldn't even register.

Nah, it's very valid.

If you read anything about Balerion the Black Dread, he was like twice the size of Drogon and breathed flames so hot they were black, and even he couldn't blow apart Harrenhal like Drogon did to the Red Keep. It was very stupid, and very off putting.

Lmao does GRRM literally write things like "the flame was so hot it was black"?

Good Lord.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

If you read anything about Balerion the Black Dread, he was like twice the size of Drogon and breathed flames so hot they were black, and even he couldn't blow apart Harrenhal like Drogon did to the Red Keep. It was very stupid, and very off putting.

they should have just made Drogon bigger than the rest but probably didnt have the budget.

Thats where his book story would have gone anyway I suppose.
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seph shut the fuck up and go watch mad men or something that you actually enjoy, god damn.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

It doesn't matter how applicable it is, it's just the first one in a long line.

He wasn't actually gonna kill her. And again, he's PISSED OFF because the army he was promised is busy lolly gagging around the Grass Sea instead of going to help him take back his throne.

Love how y'all will excuse everything Daenarys has done and will also justify letting her brother get executed like this.

she spent 6 seasons killing and dominating nobodies and people that deserve to die so people were chanting slay queen slay, now they all turn on her when she's faced for pissing on characters people actually enjoy

she has consistently ignored the advice of all of counselors

"we should go back to Westeros we can't rule these people we don't understand!"
"nah I'M THE RIGHTFUL QUEEN"
*Barristan dies*

"maybe we shouldn't be hasty, let our forces regroup and rest before marching"
"nah I'M THE RIGHTFUL QUEEN"
*Rhaegal dies*

"maybe we shouldn't shed too much innocent blood"
"nah I'M THE RIGHTFUL QUEEN"
*everyone in the Red Keep dies*
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ExThaNemesis posted...

seph shut the fuck up and go watch mad men or something that you actually enjoy, god damn.

I only watch things that I hate and you enjoy
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ExThaNemesis posted...

But it was the start of her inability to show loyalty to people that should matter to her. She let Drogo "crown" him, and it was downhill from there.

Rape apology is one thing but pedophile sex trafficking apology is next level. Praise and deserving of loyalty even. Crazy what values this show reveals in unadjusted people.
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It was bad in a different way. Having the dragon be able to do that wasn't bad writing.... it just was so visually jarring to me because it was entirely inconsistent with the lore, what I felt the shows had previously shown, and the force that would create on the dragon makes no sense. Like.... if it can shoot a projectile that strong, that means the dragon can handle the recoil. If it just cuts castles in half.... the recoil alone would be WAY more powerful than what those ballistas could do. Like, maybe I'm just a physics nerd, but its always really jarring when physics makes no sense with out an establishing scene. If there's going to be crazy magic or sci fi tech please have a scene or a line somewhere to establish it in the lore. Like how they established the ballistas would work by shooting a dragon skull. Good establishing scene for some sort of unexpected answer to dragons.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Rape apology is one thing but pedophile sex trafficking apology is next level. Praise and deserving of loyalty even. Crazy what values this show reveals in unadjusted people.

I didn't apologize for ANYTHING that Viserys did aside from his outburst. I even said he sucked. I even said he deserved to be imprisoned or exiled.

Crazy the lengths you will go to try and smear people you disagree with politically even when we're arguing about a fictional TV show.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I didn't apologize for ANYTHING that Viserys did aside from his outburst. I even said he sucked. I even said he deserved to be imprisoned or exiled.

Crazy the lengths you will go to try and smear people you disagree with politically even when we're arguing about a fictional TV show.

Oh, who were you saying was deserving of Dany's loyalty then?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

letting her brother get executed

you keep saying this.

Do you even watch this show?
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foolm0r0n posted...

Oh, who were you saying was deserving of Dany's loyalty then?

Her last living family member?

And loyalty in the form of NOT letting him get brutally murdered. Not loyalty in the form of dropping everything to help him jfc

You're an idiot dude.
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And like, it came full circle with what she did to Varys last night. I was proved right about this last night, I don't know what y'all are even trying to argue.
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Anyway, the way this show has floundered has only gone to prove that anime is superior to live action TV in every way.

Stein's;Gate would never do this.
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Unrelated to this convo but my biggest disappointments this season are still with Ghost and Brienne getting absolutely played and it would take quite a bit to overtake those. Because at least everything else I can SEE a possible reasoning, even if I don't agree with it. But those two were just ridiculous. And I wasn't even completely against Jaime and Brienne being a thing even if I didn't personally want it, just the fact that they committed to it and then immediately had Jaime leave her to go to Cersei. Brienne really shouldn't had to have been sacrificed like that for Jaime's arc.
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Agree about Brienne. The only way I was willing to accept Jaime leaving her was if he was going to kill Cersei once and for all. That he went back to try and help her just sours the whole thing.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Her last living family member?

Okay so I haven't misunderstood anything you said. You think she should've protected the guy who pedophile sex trafficked her and continued to threaten her life after.

If that thought pisses you off then change it. It's yours.
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Sigh.

Done engaging with you on this, let's talk about something else.
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I was done after my first response lol
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Like I'm one of the people who has disliked Dany for a long time but her brother absolutely deserved to die.

Really the argument should be that that was one of the first times she saw punishment meted out and set the tone for what was a just punishment whereas most people would see it as cruel and unusual. Kinda similar to how Joffrey got away with awful punishments because nobody stopped him, Dany had a difficult scale of acceptable punishment ingrained into her at a young age. So what we view as fair and just does not mesh up with what she views as fair and just

That's also fair to say.

It is not just to incinerate Varys instead of imprisoning/exiling him, but she's her father's daughter by this point anyway.
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It was the first time she saw how violence could be used to solve her problems. That took her down the conqueror path and definitely feeds into her current rampage. But she definitely learned about justice and consequences at several points. So her actions here are nothing like the "I'M THA QUEEN RAHHH" of the earlier seasons. She listened to her advisers, weighed the costs and benefits, and made her decision very consciously. It's not like she kept her plans a secret either.

Which is kind of how I want the next episode to start. Dany comes back like "sup guys, that was pretty easy huh? let's celebrate!"
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Samurai7 posted...

It was bad in a different way. Having the dragon be able to do that wasn't bad writing.... it just was so visually jarring to me because it was entirely inconsistent with the lore, what I felt the shows had previously shown, and the force that would create on the dragon makes no sense.

Zombie dragon busted the walls of Winterfell two episodes ago

...and then proceded to use different, weaker fire when Jon was around \_()_/
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I chalk that up to an open throat.
*shrug*

I will say I can forgive many things.
But Jaime's line about innocents
yuck
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The next episode opens on a giant celebration, drogon roasting various meats in the background and the four remaining prostitutes of king's landing awkwardly hitting on the unsullied. Dany is visibly wasted and regalling an absolutely obliterated Tyrion with stories of how funny the looks of the faces of the deadly enemy combatant bakers and smithies where when they realized they were about to die as Jon Snow patrols the party to make sure no raper's are about. Someone asks Bran to do a keg stand. It's the only scene everyone agrees was extremely well written.

Not Dave posted...

Samurai7 posted...

It was bad in a different way. Having the dragon be able to do that wasn't bad writing.... it just was so visually jarring to me because it was entirely inconsistent with the lore, what I felt the shows had previously shown, and the force that would create on the dragon makes no sense.

Zombie dragon busted the walls of Winterfell two episodes ago

...and then proceded to use different, weaker fire when Jon was around \_()_/

True and I thought it looked a little odd at winterfell.... but it was only one blast and skipped over quickly that I guess I didn't really notice it.
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also seeing it with my family was weird
Everything went silent as soon as Dany snapped.
It really makes me wish the story before that earned what came after
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My main takeaway from the episode was the sense of despair and hopelessness. This felt more like the end of the world than anything involving the night king did.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Anagram posted...

Of all the complaints in this episode, the dragon being too strong shouldn't even register.

Nah, it's very valid.

If you read anything about Balerion the Black Dread, he was like twice the size of Drogon and breathed flames so hot they were black, and even he couldn't blow apart Harrenhal like Drogon did to the Red Keep. It was very stupid, and very off putting.

Lmao does GRRM literally write things like "the flame was so hot it was black"?

Good Lord.

Fire & Blood

As the last light of the sun faded, Black Harrens men stared into the gathering darkness, clutching their spears and crossbows. When no dragon appeared, some may have thought that Aegons threats had been hollow. But Aegon Targaryen took Balerion up high, through the clouds, up and up until the dragon was no bigger than a fly upon the moon. Only then did he descend, well inside the castle walls. On wings as black as pitch Balerion plunged through the night, and when the great towers of Harrenhal appeared beneath him, the dragon roared his fury and bathed them in black fire, shot through with swirls of red.
Stone does not burn, Harren had boasted, but his castle was not made of stone alone. Wood and wool, hemp and straw, bread and salted beef and grain, all took fire. Nor were Harrens ironmen made of stone. Smoking, screaming, shrouded in flames, they ran across the yards and tumbled from the wallwalks to die upon the ground below. And even stone will crack and melt if a fire is hot enough. The riverlords outside the castle walls said later that the towers of Harrenhal glowed red against the night, like five great candles...and like candles, they began to twist and melt as runnels of molten stone ran down their sides.
Harren and his last sons died in the fires that engulfed his monstrous fortress that night. House Hoare died with him, and so too did the Iron Islands hold on the riverlands. The next day, outside the smoking ruins of Harrenhal, King Aegon accepted an oath of fealty from Edmyn Tully, Lord of Riverrun, and named him Lord Paramount of the Trident. The other riverlords did homage as well, to Aegon as king and to Edmyn Tully as their liege lord. When the ashes had cooled enough to allow men to enter the castle safely, the swords of the fallen, many shattered or melted or twisted into ribbons of steel by dragonfire, were gathered up and sent back to the Aegonfort in wagons.

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Steiner posted...

My main takeaway from the episode was the sense of despair and hopelessness. This felt more like the end of the world than anything involving the night king did.

This is why it's so sad what they did in ep 3. This episode was SO much of a better and more epic fight.

They probably intentionally hyped the other one and downplayed this one to "subvert expectations" and make people think that 10 minutes of fighting would be it, making Dany's rampage more shocking.

But it's not like it needed to be shocking to be effective. The gradual destruction of everything around every character was powerful enough.

Although both in this ep and ep 3, they had to make the villain an abstract monster of pure fear. They treated Dany the same as the NK which is just a waste.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Anyway, the way this show has floundered has only gone to prove that anime is superior to live action TV in every way.

Well I mean at least you're right about one thing in this topic

So they buried the Night King to put over Assassin Arya.

Then they buried Cersei and the Lannisters to put over Mad Queen Dany.

At least they are trying to really build up the big main event fight next week.
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...So this took on an all new meaning now.
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It's gunna take months before they find cersei under all that rubble.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://mashable.com/2016/07/31/hillary-clinton-coloring-book/?fbclid=IwAR1Px9roLSendsiOkRoWvsU0KUMX0D_v0CUcFN2nfG1Wpckvdqg3zpIjpGk

...So this took on an all new meaning now.

Hilary Clinton would never actually ride one of her flying death machines though, whether they were unmanned drones or not
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I loved that they didnt show Dany at all again after she started her rampage. She was a force of fire at that point, an unstoppable monster.

And I liked Eurons end, sort of. He just spells out his motivation- he just wanted to be remembered as a legend. Sad.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

I loved that they didnt show Dany at all again after she started her rampage. She was a force of fire at that point, an unstoppable monster.

And I liked Eurons end, sort of. He just spells out his motivation - he just wanted to be remembered as a legend. Sad.

I mean I guess "randomly showing up someplace it makes no sense for him to be to do nothing of value" very much is in character with how he was used in the show up until that point so I can't fault them for consistency!
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foolm0r0n posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://mashable.com/2016/07/31/hillary-clinton-coloring-book/?fbclid=IwAR1Px9roLSendsiOkRoWvsU0KUMX0D_v0CUcFN2nfG1Wpckvdqg3zpIjpGk

...So this took on an all new meaning now.

Hilary Clinton would never actually ride one of her flying death machines though, whether they were unmanned drones or not

https://twitter.com/SaladScissor/status/1127905718068240384?s=19

Reading more posts...seems like the people hating on this episode are Dany fans
There are some other complaints from non-Dany Fans as well but they are super minor like "Cersei deserved a worse death" and bla bla bla
Can't take those complaints seriously
The only valid complaint is "it was too one sided" and well I can understand this one, but I also thought a massacare was a good idea
If it was just a one-sided victory without the massacare then THIS would have been boring
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I thought it would be super even with the losses from the long night but wow. A slaughter was breathtaking. Random northmen raping and pillaging. Jon killed a Northman. I was just complaining how I felt the dragons hadnt really done much in the end before this.

Im a huge Dany fan and I would have loved to have seen it take place over a longer time but I was half/supporting Mad Queen way back when. I love good Dany, she should have stayed back in Essos after forging a new empire like Aegon the Conquerer. Im annoyed by people who use this as justification for her always being bad or whatever, she just did whatever she thought was right in the moment till she snapped. Doesnt make child killing slavers suddenly have the moral high ground. Stupid people are like theyll regret naming their kid that as if people dont name their kids just for the coolness of the name or after the villain.

Cersei death was super good and it came at Jamies loss, but thats always been the story of Jamie. I was hoping shed bag a main character before she went out but I like this better.

Dany is more of a tragic figure than an evil one anyway.
Cursed with that old Targaryan gene
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PerfectChaosZ posted...

Im a huge Dany fan and I would have loved to have seen it take place over a longer time but I was half/supporting Mad Queen way back when. I love good Dany, she should have stayed back in Essos after forging a new empire like Aegon the Conquerer. Im annoyed by people who use this as justification for her always being bad or whatever, she just did whatever she thought was right in the moment till she snapped. Doesnt make child killing slavers suddenly have the moral high ground. Stupid people are like theyll regret naming their kid that as if people dont name their kids just for the coolness of the name or after the villain.

This is something people overlook in the overall plot. If Dany wanted to be good she would have stayed in Essos. There was plenty of work for her to still do over there. Most of the actual people in Westeros don't give a shit about the throne or their lords or anything as long as their life is unimpeded(The North is perhaps an exception and not the rule). No one was really asking for saving from Cersei. Dany never came here to do good. She came for the throne.
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