Poll of the Day > Are US border internment camps actually just concentration camps?

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I find it ignorant and disrespectful when someone, especially a politician, refers to them as such.

Yes, they are Mexican concentration camps.
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a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities

Sounds like an accurate description based on what we know about them.
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I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best
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I find it pretty funny that Joe Arpaio proudly called tent city a concentration camp for years and conservatives thought it was awesome

But now minors and families are being kept in camps with even fewer amenities than actual prisons and calling them concentration camps is suddenly extremely offensive

Yall boys are fooling exactly nobody
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CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

It's like the people who compare having a low paying job to slavery. It's just millenial entitlement syndrome

At the very least Wikipedia has them listed as such.

Just because the most well known cases of concentration camps, were ultimate evil, it does not mean less evil ones are not concentration camps.

Concentration camps were an integral part of the holocaust, but that does not mean all concentration camps are used for something like the holocaust.
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Well, I guess we can call jails and prisons concentration camps as well. They actually fit the definition better than these border camps. And there is actual labor involved with prisons

Nobody seemed to wanna call them concentration camps until trump got into office though. Under obama, they were just sweet little border mansions with gourmet food and free beer

Zangulus posted...

A concentration camp can only be this one very narrow description. If it isnt that, then it isnt a concentration camp.

Wroooooong.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Just because the most well known cases of concentration camps, were ultimate evil, it does not mean less evil ones are not concentration camps.

Concentration camps were an integral part of the holocaust, but that does not mean all concentration camps are used for something like the holocaust.

These.

Mead posted...

I find it pretty funny that Joe Arpaio proudly called tent city a concentration camp for years and conservatives thought it was awesome

But now minors and families are being kept in camps with even fewer amenities than actual prisons and calling them concentration camps is suddenly extremely offensive

Yall boys are fooling exactly nobody

This, too.

This will be looked back on as a grave error in judgment, and a failure of American policy, humanity, and compassion. It's the WWII Japanese internment all over again, and those who supported and perpetrated this current incarnation will be remembered for being the xenophobic racists they are.
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CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.
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Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.
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Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.
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kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.

Started as concentration camps, with no intention of anyone getting out alive. Death camp wasn't catchy enough for an initial name title. Only for a heavy metal band possibly
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CTLM posted...

kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.

Started as concentration camps, with no intention of anyone getting out alive. Death camp wasn't catchy enough for an initial name title. Only for a heavy metal band possibly

The first Concentration Camp was started in 1933. They wouldnt start the first organized killings until 1939. You dont know enough about this subject to be having the discussion.
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kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.

Please allow 20 refugees to live in your house for a year or two and let them eat your food use your electricity etc (then come back to us in year or two with your findings?) Sound good to you? Good fences make good neighbours. It isn't sustainable just allowing hordes of low iq, possibly criminals etc to flood your country it effects the people on the lower rung of society and the middle-class. Your risk turning the country into the country they left. They need to fix their own countries first.

Facts > feelings.
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I voted no because I thought a concentration camp had to be with the goal of killing them. This topic has explained otherwise. Please subtract one no vote and move it to YES but in all caps

Fazeo13 posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.

Please allow 20 refugees to live in your house for a year or two and let them eat your food use your electricity etc (then come back to us in year or two with your findings?) Sound good to you? Good fences make good neighbours. It isn't sustainable just allowing hordes of low iq, possibly criminals etc to flood your country it effects the people on the lower rung of society and the middle-class. Your risk turning the country into the country they left. They need to fix their own countries first.

Facts > feelings.

I like how you use the cliche Facts>Feelings when you didnt respond to the post and instead present a solely emotional appeal with zero facts presented.

By the way, The Evian Conference was where Hitler said he would let the Jews leave the country. Congratulations on literally suggesting the same thing as Hitler.
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kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.

Started as concentration camps, with no intention of anyone getting out alive. Death camp wasn't catchy enough for an initial name title. Only for a heavy metal band possibly

The first Concentration Camp was started in 1933. They wouldnt start the first organized killings until 1939. You dont know enough about this subject to be having the discussion.

That's funny because actually I do. I did extensive writing and research regarding the Nuremberg Trials, the individuals involved and how the concentration camps came to be in the first place.

But it's cool; keep trying to vehemently defend your stance over the usage of a word.
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Also, the phrase good fences make good neighbors actually has the exact opposite meaning of what you think it does. But its not surprising that a Ben Shapiro fan wouldnt understand Robert Frost.
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CTLM posted...

kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.

Started as concentration camps, with no intention of anyone getting out alive. Death camp wasn't catchy enough for an initial name title. Only for a heavy metal band possibly

The first Concentration Camp was started in 1933. They wouldnt start the first organized killings until 1939. You dont know enough about this subject to be having the discussion.

That's funny because actually I do. I did extensive writing and research regarding the Nuremberg Trials, the individuals involved and how the concentration camps came to be in the first place.

But it's cool; keep trying to vehemently defend your stance over the usage of a word.

Then you know Im right that the Nazis started Concentration Camps in 1933 and Hitler actually offered people the chance to leave in 1938 before the mass killings started in 1939.

If you actually researched what you say, you would know this and understand that the term Concentration Camp is entirely appropriate.
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kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.

Please allow 20 refugees to live in your house for a year or two and let them eat your food use your electricity etc (then come back to us in year or two with your findings?) Sound good to you? Good fences make good neighbours. It isn't sustainable just allowing hordes of low iq, possibly criminals etc to flood your country it effects the people on the lower rung of society and the middle-class. Your risk turning the country into the country they left. They need to fix their own countries first.

Facts > feelings.

I like how you use the cliche Facts>Feelings when you didnt respond to the post and instead present a solely emotional appeal with zero facts presented.

By the way, The Evian Conference was where Hitler said he would let the Jews leave the country. Congratulations on literally suggesting the same thing as Hitler.

Duh, we got a master debater here didn't take you long to go straight to Godwin's law. Your parents must be so proud.

See you don't want take up the responsibility to house and feed refugees but you want others to. As long as your not personally affected it is A-okay. Typical Limousine liberal.

Get out of town.
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Because its a nonsensical argument that bares no connection with whats being discussed and isnt based on any facts.

Btw, when you say Refugees are free to leave the country when thats exactly what Hitler did, its not Godwins Law as much as it is you suggesting the same thing that Hitler suggested.

Here how about this. State one factual statement that isnt an emotional appeal in an attempt to defend why they arent Concentration Camps.
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kangolcone posted...

Also, the phrase good fences make good neighbors actually has the exact opposite meaning of what you think it does. But its not surprising that a Ben Shapiro fan wouldnt understand Robert Frost.

"It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls."

- Aristophanes

"Love thy neighbor, yet don't pull down your hedge."

- Benjamin Franklin

The proverb refers to a more modern psychological understanding of human relationships -- boundaries. When boundaries are clear, relationships can better prosper. If you know where you stand, where your property begins and ends, and are free to do on your side as your neighbor is on his or hers, it makes for better relationships between people. Nothing can be more contentious between neighbors than a property boundary dispute, good or strong fences remove the possibility of that contention.
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We can call them concentration camps. They're just nothing at all like the ones during the holocaust or the ones for japanese people during WWII

kangolcone posted...

Because its a nonsensical argument that bares no connection with whats being discussed and isnt based on any facts.

Btw, when you say Refugees are free to leave the country when thats exactly what Hitler did, its not Godwins Law as much as it is you suggesting the same thing that Hitler suggested.

Here how about this. State one factual statement that isnt an emotional appeal in an attempt to defend why they arent Concentration Camps.

Tell us why you are pro human trafficking first.
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Not at all, in fact they were around when Obama (and even Bush) were president and I'm 200% sure that neither are Neo-Nazis. It's just the far left smearing patriots so that they can push a narrative.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Just because the most well known cases of concentration camps, were ultimate evil, it does not mean less evil ones are not concentration camps.

Zangulus posted...

A concentration camp can only be this one very narrow description. If it isnt that, then it isnt a concentration camp. Wroooooong.

ok, but if the question was "is <thing> a <other really horrible thing>" and the answer is "yes, only not really horrible", what has actually been said? the term becomes meaningless if you can just move around what it means. who cares what term is used any more then.

the original question is really asking something like "could we get away with associating these with concentration camps for rhetorical purposes?"

questions that should be asked instead are something like "are these imprisonments justified", "what is the minimum standard of imprisonment", "are these prisons meeting those minimum standards", etc.
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KnoxKorner posted...

kangolcone posted...

Also, the phrase good fences make good neighbors actually has the exact opposite meaning of what you think it does. But its not surprising that a Ben Shapiro fan wouldnt understand Robert Frost.

"It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls."

- Aristophanes

"Love thy neighbor, yet don't pull down your hedge."

- Benjamin Franklin

The proverb refers to a more modern psychological understanding of human relationships -- boundaries. When boundaries are clear, relationships can better prosper. If you know where you stand, where your property begins and ends, and are free to do on your side as your neighbor is on his or hers, it makes for better relationships between people. Nothing can be more contentious between neighbors than a property boundary dispute, good or strong fences remove the possibility of that contention.

I understand the idea is older, but the specific quote Good fences make good neighbors is specifically about how the insistence of a physical wall causes friction in a relationship.
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Hop103 posted...

Not at all, in fact they were around when Obama (and even Bush) were president and I'm 200% sure that neither are Neo-Nazis. It's just the far left smearing patriots so that they can push a narrative.

True this dawg. Liberals changing the goal posts again and again.

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

pfffttt smh >:o( honk, honk
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KnoxKorner posted...

kangolcone posted...

Because its a nonsensical argument that bares no connection with whats being discussed and isnt based on any facts.

Btw, when you say Refugees are free to leave the country when thats exactly what Hitler did, its not Godwins Law as much as it is you suggesting the same thing that Hitler suggested.

Here how about this. State one factual statement that isnt an emotional appeal in an attempt to defend why they arent Concentration Camps.

Tell us why you are pro human trafficking first.

Lmao. So the people allowing the children to die while in the custody of the federal government are interested in the best interests of children?

Most human trafficking in the US is done by people from the US. Secondly, most cases involving foreign nationals, use legal means of entry.

Provide me with evidence that the refugee population is a main issue in human trafficking.
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I feel like if Trump called them concentration camps, everyone here defending the usage of the word would be ripping him a new asshole. The thing is that word now has a stigma with it related to the nazi death camps and shouldnt be used lightly.

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Most of the families being detained nowadays are seeking sanctuary status under established US refugee policy.

They have not entered the country illegally or committed any crime.
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CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

This. It's extremely insulting to the Jews, Roma, disabled, gays, Communists, and others that suffered unprecedented evil and brutality in the WW2 concentration camps to even remotely compare the border internment camps to them.

I'm not some literalist troll who's going to say only the nazi WW2 camps can be called concentration camps. You want to compare things like the Soviet gulags or Pol Pot's extermination camps to them, that's totally fair and reasonable.

But this? NO. I hate Trump, but stop disrespecting the hardships and tortures the victims of the nazis faced by comparing Holocaust victims to what he's doing to illegal immigrants. It really pisses me off.

Let's just call them what they are. Anyone who said no is delusional.
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kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.

Please allow 20 refugees to live in your house for a year or two and let them eat your food use your electricity etc (then come back to us in year or two with your findings?) Sound good to you? Good fences make good neighbours. It isn't sustainable just allowing hordes of low iq, possibly criminals etc to flood your country it effects the people on the lower rung of society and the middle-class. Your risk turning the country into the country they left. They need to fix their own countries first.

Facts > feelings.

I like how you use the cliche Facts>Feelings when you didnt respond to the post and instead present a solely emotional appeal with zero facts presented.

By the way, The Evian Conference was where Hitler said he would let the Jews leave the country. Congratulations on literally suggesting the same thing as Hitler.

hitler said a lot of things that were lies.
The whole appeasement of him was literally him repeatedly saying he just wanted this one other piece of Europe, and then he'd be a good boy, and the other European powers ceding it to him.

The reality: Jews and other victims tried to escape nazi Germany and all the other countries he ended up conquering (who obviously weren't part of Germany and yet he had no hesitation to send the Holocaust victims in those countries to the death camps as well vs. exiling them) and the nazis tried their hardest to prevent them from doing so.

Congratulations on literally still falling for hitler's bs 80 years later when the lessons of history REALLY should've taught you better by now.

streamofthesky posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

This. It's extremely insulting to the Jews, Roma, disabled, gays, Communists, and others that suffered unprecedented evil and brutality in the WW2 concentration camps to even remotely compare the border internment camps to them.

I'm not some literalist troll who's going to say only the nazi WW2 camps can be called concentration camps. You want to compare things like the Soviet gulags or Pol Pot's extermination camps to them, that's totally fair and reasonable.

But this? NO. I hate Trump, but stop disrespecting the hardships and tortures the victims of the nazis faced by comparing Holocaust victims to what he's doing to illegal immigrants. It really pisses me off.

It literally meets all the definitions of a concentration camp. The reason we are more comfortable with the term interment camp is because its our nice way of saying what we did to the Japanese was ok. The semantics of the issue are far less important than what is actually happening. Its not ok that we are treating people like this.
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While they do indeed fit the definition of a concentration camp, most people calling them as such are doing sonwithe intent of conjuring images of the Nazi death camps. They're using the technicality to play on emotions.


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kangolcone posted...

streamofthesky posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

This. It's extremely insulting to the Jews, Roma, disabled, gays, Communists, and others that suffered unprecedented evil and brutality in the WW2 concentration camps to even remotely compare the border internment camps to them.

I'm not some literalist troll who's going to say only the nazi WW2 camps can be called concentration camps. You want to compare things like the Soviet gulags or Pol Pot's extermination camps to them, that's totally fair and reasonable.

But this? NO. I hate Trump, but stop disrespecting the hardships and tortures the victims of the nazis faced by comparing Holocaust victims to what he's doing to illegal immigrants. It really pisses me off.

It literally meets all the definitions of a concentration camp. The reason we are more comfortable with the term interment camp is because its our nice way of saying what we did to the Japanese was ok. The semantics of the issue are far less important than what is actually happening. Its not ok that we are treating people like this.

I agree interment camp is a better term to use.
It's still not ok. What we did to the Japanese-American citizens was wrong. What Trump is doing to the illegal immigrants now is wrong.
But it's on a whole other level than what the concentration camps were.

People think b/c the term used is different, it makes what we did to the Japanese-Americans in WW2 ok?

streamofthesky posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.

Please allow 20 refugees to live in your house for a year or two and let them eat your food use your electricity etc (then come back to us in year or two with your findings?) Sound good to you? Good fences make good neighbours. It isn't sustainable just allowing hordes of low iq, possibly criminals etc to flood your country it effects the people on the lower rung of society and the middle-class. Your risk turning the country into the country they left. They need to fix their own countries first.

Facts > feelings.

I like how you use the cliche Facts>Feelings when you didnt respond to the post and instead present a solely emotional appeal with zero facts presented.

By the way, The Evian Conference was where Hitler said he would let the Jews leave the country. Congratulations on literally suggesting the same thing as Hitler.

hitler said a lot of things that were lies.
The whole appeasement of him was literally him repeatedly saying he just wanted this one other piece of Europe, and then he'd be a good boy, and the other European powers ceding it to him.

The reality: Jews and other victims tried to escape nazi Germany and all the other countries he ended up conquering (who obviously weren't part of Germany and yet he had no hesitation to send the Holocaust victims in those countries to the death camps as well vs. exiling them) and the nazis tried their hardest to prevent them from doing so.

Congratulations on literally still falling for hitler's bs 80 years later when the lessons of history REALLY should've taught you better by now.

Appeasement is not the Evian Conference. Im not sure why you start off your argument talking about something barely tangentially related.

Whether Hitler had any intention of letting Jews leave is irrelevant for two reasons. The other countries were unwilling to accept the Jewish refugees, so we will never know. Secondly, even if he had no intention of allowing it, its the exact same idea as was suggested by another poster. If they dont want to be put in camps, they should leave. If people dont want to be compared to Hitler, perhaps parroting one of his ideas about refugees isnt the best start.
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streamofthesky posted...

kangolcone posted...

streamofthesky posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

This. It's extremely insulting to the Jews, Roma, disabled, gays, Communists, and others that suffered unprecedented evil and brutality in the WW2 concentration camps to even remotely compare the border internment camps to them.

I'm not some literalist troll who's going to say only the nazi WW2 camps can be called concentration camps. You want to compare things like the Soviet gulags or Pol Pot's extermination camps to them, that's totally fair and reasonable.

But this? NO. I hate Trump, but stop disrespecting the hardships and tortures the victims of the nazis faced by comparing Holocaust victims to what he's doing to illegal immigrants. It really pisses me off.

It literally meets all the definitions of a concentration camp. The reason we are more comfortable with the term interment camp is because its our nice way of saying what we did to the Japanese was ok. The semantics of the issue are far less important than what is actually happening. Its not ok that we are treating people like this.

I agree interment camp is a better term to use.
It's still not ok. What we did to the Japanese-American citizens was wrong. What Trump is doing to the illegal immigrants now is wrong.
But it's on a whole other level than what the concentration camps were.

People think b/c the term used is different, it makes what we did to the Japanese-Americans in WW2 ok?

Define for me the differences.
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@streamofthesky I hope you dont think Hitler just, like, opened Concentration camps and immediately started killing everyone.

Its a slippery slope, man.
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"Semantics".
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Sahuagin posted...

the original question is really asking something like "could we get away with associating these with concentration camps for rhetorical purposes?"

That's what it really is. It's just another way for leftists to attempt to compare trump to hitler

OhhhJa posted...

Sahuagin posted...

the original question is really asking something like "could we get away with associating these with concentration camps for rhetorical purposes?"

That's what it really is. It's just another way for leftists to attempt to compare trump to hitler

Its not associating anybody with anything. Its using a term with a definition that meets the criteria. In reality, they are concentration camps, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you.

According to the Holocaust Memorial Museum The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.

Its documented that people have died in custody from harsh conditions. It is documented that they dont have enough space for the people being detained. When conditions result in multiple deaths, those are harsh. They are held for an indefinite period even though they are claiming refugees status and have committed no crime. That is outside of legal norms.

So, other than meeting the exact definition provided by the people who everybody here claims is the group being insulted, what more would you like to call it a concentration camp?
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kangolcone posted...

Its not associating anybody with anything. Its using a term with a definition that meets the criteria. In reality, they are concentration camps, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you.

According to the Holocaust Memorial Museum The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.

Its documented that people have died in custody from harsh conditions. It is documented that they dont have enough space for the people being detained. When conditions result in multiple deaths, those are harsh. They are held for an indefinite period even though they are claiming refugees status and have committed no crime. That is outside of legal norms.

So, other than meeting the exact definition provided by the people who everybody here is claiming should be insults by, what more would you like to call it a concentration camp?

You did not disprove what I'm saying. For you, it may not be about demonizing the trump administration but let's not pretend that people are asking this strictly for the purposes of using proper terminology rather than political rhetoric

The places where these people are being held are the definition of concentration camps as laid out by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

I dont care what you ascribe the reason to. They are what they are. The main reason people have stated so far is that they arent harsh enough to meet that standard. Honestly, that just shows the historical ignorance which plagues our society because they conflate the systematic murders which began occurring in 1939 with the concentration camp system which started in 1933.
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