Poll of the Day > Are US border internment camps actually just concentration camps?

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Technically yes, because of the historically broad definition of the term.

But since the term has such a strong association to Nazi death camps, I'd say her using it was inappropriate, and I voted "no" for this reason.
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Being more concerned about detention centers being called something they think is wrong than the lives and well being of refugee families fleeing violence is just about the perfect representative example of modern right wing logic
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Mead posted...

Being more concerned about detention centers being called something they think is wrong than the lives and well being of refugee families fleeing violence is just about the perfect representative example of modern right wing logic

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I love when leftists try to pretend that this kinda crap isnt used for political purposes because of their partisanship. Playing dumb is fun

PK_Spam posted...

Mead posted...

Being more concerned about detention centers being called something they think is wrong than the lives and well being of refugee families fleeing violence is just about the perfect representative example of modern right wing logic

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Phantom_Nook posted...

PK_Spam posted...

Mead posted...

Being more concerned about detention centers being called something they think is wrong than the lives and well being of refugee families fleeing violence is just about the perfect representative example of modern right wing logic

Which is hilariously ironic since this whole debate started with leftists complaining that they're only called internment camps and not concentration camps

a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution.

So yes. Regardless of your personal opinions on the subject, they meet the technical definition of 'concentration camp."

From what Ive seen, the people saying they arent concentration camps don't actually know the definition of the term.
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PK_Spam posted...

Mead posted...

Being more concerned about detention centers being called something they think is wrong than the lives and well being of refugee families fleeing violence is just about the perfect representative example of modern right wing logic

Yes, because you'd rather have let possible diseased outbreaks, possible really violent criminals etc run amok in America and affect the poor and marginalized in America than have the proper immigration checks. Because unfetted illegal immigration worked out so wonderfully California? I suppose you want that for the rest of the country.

Eventually the Us will be just like the countries they escaped from and what'll be the point?
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Fazeo13 posted...

Eventually the Us will be just like the countries they escaped from and what'll be the point?

We should have stopped actively making those countries terrible.
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OhhhJa posted...

I love when leftists try to pretend that this kinda crap isnt used for political purposes because of their partisanship. Playing dumb is fun

I love when people think I supported Obama for doing the same things. Obama was a shit president and Trump is worse. Our politics have been fucked since Buckley v Valeo.

Obama expanded on Bush's drone strike program even though his own pentagon found that it killed the wrong people 90% of the time. He also expanded the failed war on terror to 7 countries. His attack against whistle blowers paved the way for Trump's attacks on the media. As pointed out in this topic, he also had camps at the border.

Trump is worse in almost every way, but Obama sucked.
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Ohja doesn't actually care about people, he just wants to perpetuate the left vs. right ideology used to further divide people, like a huugggee useless wall.
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Ok, I'm gonna be a bit controversial here, but I have never had a problem with that.

I think we should make money off this opportunity!!!

What? Does that sound horrible? Seriously it's not.

Step 1: Purchase land on the other side of the border. A decent amount. Would have really made sense to do this along time ago when it was really cheap, but whatever.

Step 2: Create mini cities on that side of the border for people to live in, and attempt to become US citizens (legally). Part of the jobs there (covered by people from both sides) would be patrolling and prevent illegal crossings.

Step 3: Any people who are found illegally in the US are sent (together with their family...not seperated at any point) to these cities. If they leave and re-enter the us, they are put in a more "secure" city on the other side of the border (Basically a low security prison that ensures they don't leave).

In all cities they can work like normal, they can make money, buy homes, build a life/family, have access to the internet, movies, food, most of the things you get in the US (Including free schools and food for the children).

Meanwhile they pay "taxes", not to the us, but to support the cost of the cities themselves. A portion of what they make goes to pay for the upkeep etc of the city. They are not US citizens (until they complete the requirements to become them), but they get to live good lives, have a sense of security, and the assurance their children will be fed etc.

It would require some start up money, but FAR less then is being spent to deport/detain etc people currently. It would of course make more people want to head to those cities, but...as long as each of them could be made profitable, you could just expand and create more and more, until possibly having a city along most of the border.

Can't imagine there isn't a way to make this profitable over all, while still giving people with nothing a better life.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Ohja doesn't actually care about people, he just wants to perpetuate the left vs. right ideology used to further divide people, like a huugggee useless wall.

Says the guy who makes fun of people who had a stroke

We already have that it's called California and it didn't work out.
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Come on guys, these are not the same thing as actual concentration camps, and I'm saying that as someone who doesn't like trump, or Republicans, or keeping Mexicans (or others that sneak across the border) detained like that.

You are following the letter of what makes a concentration camp, but not the spirit, in reality it's definitely wrong but nowhere near what nazi concentration camps were
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Muscles posted...

You are following the letter of what makes a concentration camp, but not the spirit, in reality it's definitely wrong but nowhere near what nazi concentration camps were

Concentration camps predated Nazi rule. I think people are assuming that those are the absolute standard of what a concentration camp is, when they existed in other civilizations before instituted under Hitler.
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I'm not going to argue with that, but language changes, and colloquially concentration camp pretty much means nazi torture camp now

So technically it is a concentration camp, but the actual meaning of concentration camp changed after the nazis, like the swastika
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They are by definition concentration camps.
They aren't death camps, like the Nazi camps in WW2.
Of course, the term "concentration camp" is pretty much synonymous with Nazi death camps.
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Muscles posted...

I'm not going to argue with that, but language changes, and colloquially concentration camp pretty much means nazi torture camp now

So technically it is a concentration camp, but the actual meaning of concentration camp changed after the nazis, like the swastika

For people who can't think in a nuanced manner, maybe >_>
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Bottom line is leftists won't rest until we all agree that internment camp just doesnt sound evil enough. We must call it a concentration camp now guys because orange man bad!

OhhhJa posted...

Bottom line is leftists won't rest until we all agree that internment camp just doesnt sound evil enough. We must call it a concentration camp now guys because orange man bad!

Why do you insist on making everything us vs. them?

MrMelodramatic posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Bottom line is leftists won't rest until we all agree that internment camp just doesnt sound evil enough. We must call it a concentration camp now guys because orange man bad!

Why do you insist on making everything us vs. them?

Yeah I'm the only on this board guilty of that

That doesn't answer the question >_>
Why do you do it?
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Sorry, must have missed the 6 million immigrants that have been killed in the immigration camp....
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That's not a prison, it's a heavily gated community that doesn't permit residents to leave.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

That's not a prison, it's a heavily gated community that doesn't permit residents to leave.

Arent they allowed to leave as long as they dont go into the United States, or are they actually held at these camps against their will?

RCtheWSBC posted...

That doesn't answer the question >_>
Why do you do it?

Very simple. There's almost nobody on here that's moderate, including you, in my experience. And, in my experience, the leftists here are radicalized as fuck whereas the right wingers are not nearly as radicalized with a few exceptions. Case in point, you get blasted relentlessly here if you say anything that's not negative about the trump administration

Remember the part where all these law abiding people were forcefully taken from their homes to go live in these "camps"
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Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Yeah, that pretty much seals it. If they were in the present conditions and banned from going back the way the came, yes... Swarming a border and then not having the red carpet rolled out for you is not that. The conditions sound terrible, but nobody is making them stay. Voluntarily being inside a prison isn't being imprisoned.

OhhhJa posted...

kangolcone posted...

Its not associating anybody with anything. Its using a term with a definition that meets the criteria. In reality, they are concentration camps, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you.

According to the Holocaust Memorial Museum The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.

Its documented that people have died in custody from harsh conditions. It is documented that they dont have enough space for the people being detained. When conditions result in multiple deaths, those are harsh. They are held for an indefinite period even though they are claiming refugees status and have committed no crime. That is outside of legal norms.

So, other than meeting the exact definition provided by the people who everybody here is claiming should be insults by, what more would you like to call it a concentration camp?

You did not disprove what I'm saying. For you, it may not be about demonizing the trump administration but let's not pretend that people are asking this strictly for the purposes of using proper terminology rather than political rhetoric

It's you who is offended by proper terminology because you seem to be unable to accept that your leader is fond of this.

No they are prisons for people who broke the law
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One of the factors at play is the volume of people seeking asylum. The infrastructure just can't facilitate it and there's no quick way to change that. They can't turn a blind eye and let everyone just disappear into the country unvetted, nor can they magically have more buildings and workers appear to improve conditions. I don't like Trump or his stupid wall idea, but there is an emergency at the border.

BlackScythe0 posted...

It's you who is offended by proper terminology because you seem to be unable to accept that your leader is fond of this.

Lol thanks for proving my point since this was happening the obama administration as well. Shills gonna shill

Internment camp is no less proper. Leftists just want everyone to start calling them concentration camps now because orange man bad

Valiant_Kaiser posted...

One of the factors at play is the volume of people seeking asylum. The infrastructure just can't facilitate it and there's no quick way to change that. They can't turn a blind eye and let everyone just disappear into the country unvetted, nor can they magically have more buildings and workers appear to improve conditions. I don't like Trump or his stupid wall idea, but there is an emergency at the border.

Plus, people are pouring in with diseases and there are cases of Ebola, among others, popping up here

Reading those 2 post is like Trump Twitter feed.
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OhhhJa posted...

Plus, people are pouring in with diseases and there are cases of Ebola, among others, popping up here

Hmm, no reported cases of ebola in the U.S. since 2014 by the CDC.

No reported cases of ebola in Mexico as reported by the WHO.

I guess you're getting your info from breitbart which was disproven.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/jun/12/conservative-daily-post/are-migrants-diseases-ebola-being-dumped-san-anton/

So, why lie?
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Please don't feed the troll.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Plus, people are pouring in with diseases and there are cases of Ebola, among others, popping up here

Hmm, no reported cases of ebola in the U.S. since 2014 by the CDC.

No reported cases of ebola in Mexico as reported by the WHO.

I guess you're getting your info from breitbart which was disproven.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/jun/12/conservative-daily-post/are-migrants-diseases-ebola-being-dumped-san-anton/

So, why lie?

I think I was getting it confused with measles but here's a a nice educational link for the uneducated. It is indeed a problem even if you wanna pretend only healthy people are crossing the border. It's just mexicans coming in from mexico either

https://cis.org/Arthur/Infectious-Diseases-Making-Border-Crisis-Worse

Remember when all those European immigrants came to a new country and bought a disease that wiped out a huge portion (more than 80%) of the native population. It's funny how their descendants are worried about common ailments from modern immigrants.
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Pretty big fuckin difference between Ebola and Measles.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Remember when all those European immigrants came to a new country and bought a disease that wiped out a huge portion (more than 80%) of the native population. It's funny how their descendants are worried about common ailments from modern immigrants.

Yeah that was also more than 200 years ago. You think that was a good thing?

Cacciato posted...

Pretty big fuckin difference between Ebola and Measles.

You don't say

Cant wait for Zeus to come in and knock you fools into shape.

The correct term is neo-concentration camps.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Remember when all those European immigrants came to a new country and bought a disease that wiped out a huge portion (more than 80%) of the native population. It's funny how their descendants are worried about common ailments from modern immigrants.

that isn't exactly true
that happened before we came here
in the 1400's at least, otherwise the spanish wouldn't have conquered them so easily
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I didn't refer to them as concentration when they were being used under Obama and I don't now. But then again, I ain't a hypocritical, regressive leftist.
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The_tall_midget posted...

I didn't refer to them as concentration when they were being used under Obama and I don't now. But then again, I ain't a regressive leftist.

These dudes are told what to think by the media. Some of them actually seem intelligent enough but they really just cant seem to think for themselves. They just latch onto whatever the latest clickbait is. They're like angry zombies

OhhhJa posted...

These dudes are told what to think by the media. Some of them actually seem intelligent enough but they really just cant seem to think for themselves. They just latch onto whatever the latest clickbait is. They're like angry zombies

Notice how those extremely intelligent people suddenly started to refer to them as concentration camps because the fake news media and Ariana Grande Pizzaro Cortez started to talk about it?
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The_tall_midget posted...

OhhhJa posted...

These dudes are told what to think by the media. Some of them actually seem intelligent enough but they really just cant seem to think for themselves. They just latch onto whatever the latest clickbait is. They're like angry zombies

Notice how those extremely intelligent people suddenly started to refer to them as concentration camps because the fake news media and Ariana Grande Pizzaro Cortez started to talk about it?

Of course. They read a news article and then pretend that they felt that way all along. Its laughably transparent

Well, when I say all along I meant as soon as trump's term began lol

Blightzkrieg posted...

Cant wait for Zeus to come in and knock you fools into shape.

The correct term is neo-concentration camps.

lmao
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