Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing

(+) Yeah! (+)

There's another possibility: Corrik is scum and lying.

pezloco posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I delayed the kill on Lolo. So he will die tomorrow. He is confirmed town and whoever he guarded.

Ok, Tom care to give me your thoughts?

1) Everything happened how Corrik described it.

2) Scum NK'ed to eff with us.

3) Someone other than Corrik stopped the kill.

Can you rank these in order of probability in your reads?

---

Lea3Lea posted...

pezloco posted...

Nah, Ben is lying. He's trying to take over the game with fake scans. I'm fairly certain there is one more town power out there, but it is not Ben.

Oof

Shoulda gone for the insanity plea based on three guilties

I don't need to. I know Ben is lying. He told us himself yesterday basically.
---

Hbthebattle posted...

There's another possibility: Corrik is scum and lying.

pezloco posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I delayed the kill on Lolo. So he will die tomorrow. He is confirmed town and whoever he guarded.

Ok, Tom care to give me your thoughts?

1) Everything happened how Corrik described it.

2) Scum NK'ed to eff with us.

3) Someone other than Corrik stopped the kill.

Can you rank these in order of probability in your reads?

True, though I thought that fit the NK scenario most likely. Also I think Corrik is town.
---

The statistical chances of Ben getting 3 guilty scans is pretty astronomical.
---

Ben have you left clues in past days as to your targets

maybe ben is that good

is ben that good, y'all?
---

Just a yes or no

Corrik's delay doesn't make sense. I was thinking how he'd gambit this. Once there are not two kills tomorrow, we would lynch Lolo, who then flips as town. With a mislynch today on top of that one, if the lone wolf was recruited or 6 scum, town only needs one mistake to lose. That seems viable, which is why once Ben revealed as cop I figured Corrik probably was scum.
---

Lopen, what's the chances of a Ben/Lea/Corrik/Lolo team who would pull this off?
---

VOTE: PEZ

it is time for the Cam prophecies to come true

I really see this whole "I'm gonna put a spotlight on myself and not reveal what I know all day" routine as more harmful than helpful even if it is legit

Ben if you're actually town cop, give us the other two guiltys so we can properly analyze the situation.
---

##Vote: Pez

boop

Tom Bombadil posted...

maybe ben is that good

is ben that good, y'all?

Yes
---

I did protect 5tar last night, yeah.

No deaths is very strange, regardless.
---

Actually, you know what? Ben, give us all the scans now. No drama, no bullshit. Drop all the scans right now.
---

Ben told us yesterday how he fails at leading lynches. I need to go dig up that quote. I think he's simply trying to get me lynched with a fake scan because he doesn't think anyone will vote for me otherwise.
---

why are we hopping on pez (or trying to) when we have two other alleged scum scans on the way

sometime

maybe
---

pezloco posted...

Ben told us yesterday how he fails at leading lynches. I need to go dig up that quote. I think he's simply trying to get me lynched with a fake scan because he doesn't think anyone will vote for me otherwise.

Which by the way is a null tell. In fact it's probably more a town tell. Town players lie too.
---

benjamin3740 posted...

If im insane cop I won't even care if we lose. No way everyone i scanned is town though

If you are insane and have three guilty scans then they are all town.
---

There's zero benefit to scum faking a scan at this point in the game. It would make zero sense for scum Ben to pull this. Going one for one is bad for scum.

pezloco posted...

Town players lie too.

NEVER

except I think we have too many lies for them all to be scum even if you limit it to the confirmed/rescinded ones >_>
---

Even if Ben's doing some Corrik style bluff Pez's reaction is p awful

Lea3Lea posted...

There's zero benefit to scum faking a scan at this point in the game. It would make zero sense for scum Ben to pull this. Going one for one is bad for scum.

Not if they're closer to victory parity than it seems. Trading benefits the scum more than it does the town
---

If there are 4 scum left they need 3 mislynches. A gambit done properly and the town can still lose.
---

Lea3Lea posted...

There's zero benefit to scum faking a scan at this point in the game. It would make zero sense for scum Ben to pull this. Going one for one is bad for scum.

Hence me saying it's probably more of a town tell.
---

Lea3Lea posted...

Even if Ben's doing some Corrik style bluff Pez's reaction is p awful

Explain exactly what's awful about me pegging Ben's bluff?
---

So i cant find the specific Pez post (probably can if I look harder but I want to play Mario maker 2), but yesterday he was showing a lot of "I dont have any preference between Sbell and Mzero", leading me to think both were town. Eventually by the end of the day he was convincing himself to vote Sbell, so I made sure it was Mzero dying if I couldnt make it him. I tried to make it him. Pez was my night 2 scan, so day 3 became a lot about him/Tom.

My day 1 guilty scan I've barely interacted with all game and he's honestly been playing pretty suave. Never gotten a vote. Good thing I scanned him.
---

pezloco posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Even if Ben's doing some Corrik style bluff Pez's reaction is p awful

Explain exactly what's awful about me pegging Ben's bluff?

I retract that actually, I apologize. I thought you called him scum but you just said he was trying to control the game, that's my bad

And for those curious (Probably corrik), my flavor is still Sam I am. No idea why that is Cop, but my whole role PM rhymed so it was pretty awesome
---

benjamin3740 posted...

So i cant find the specific Pez post (probably can if I look harder but I want to play Mario maker 2), but yesterday he was showing a lot of "I dont have any preference between Sbell and Mzero", leading me to think both were town. Eventually by the end of the day he was convincing himself to vote Sbell, so I made sure it was Mzero dying if I couldnt make it him. I tried to make it him. Pez was my night 2 scan, so day 3 became a lot about him/Tom.

My day 1 guilty scan I've barely interacted with all game and he's honestly been playing pretty suave. Never gotten a vote. Good thing I scanned him.

That's bullshit because you refused to join the train that was neither Sbell nor MZero yesterday.
---

Ok enough grandstanding what are you accomplishing

Curse ye and your unsolvable riddles!

benjamin3740 posted...

I'm good with offing Mzero or Lolo. They're both equally meh

Sbell is off the table to I feel my duty today is done

---

Let Ben have his fun.

He's earned it.
---

you're really gonna make me go fetch all those votals, huh
---

I see reasons you'd do this and none are town motivated.
---

Obellisk posted...

Let Ben have his fun.

He's earned it.

Has he? Has he really earned it?
I sincerely doubt it.
---

So tom + pez + ... ... ???

Who is the last MAfia?

Hbthebattle posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

So i cant find the specific Pez post (probably can if I look harder but I want to play Mario maker 2), but yesterday he was showing a lot of "I dont have any preference between Sbell and Mzero", leading me to think both were town. Eventually by the end of the day he was convincing himself to vote Sbell, so I made sure it was Mzero dying if I couldnt make it him. I tried to make it him. Pez was my night 2 scan, so day 3 became a lot about him/Tom.

My day 1 guilty scan I've barely interacted with all game and he's honestly been playing pretty suave. Never gotten a vote. Good thing I scanned him.

That's bullshit because you refused to join the train that was neither Sbell nor MZero yesterday.

Go look at my posts since I literally spell out these thoughts as they occur.

Maybe I didnt feel like killing Lolo
---

Remember how we all were talking yesterday about there probably not being a cop because of Cam and 5tar? What happened to that, hm?
---

I'm stalling this out because I want every little reaction. Plus if I reveal them all at once then all the mafia will shut up.
---

I think you're stalling this to discredit people who doubt your claim, by revealing guilty scans on them.
---

Lopen posted...

I see reasons you'd do this and none are town motivated.

I explained his town motivations. He thinks I'm scum. He admitted yesterday he didn't think he could get me lynched. He's resorting to a fake scan to do so. That seems more plausible to me than a scum suiciding after two have already been lynched.
---

I never believed a mostly useless flavour scanner was the only scanner in a game of 21.

benjamin3740 posted...

I'm stalling this out because I want every little reaction. Plus if I reveal them all at once then all the mafia will shut up.

Then hurry up and drop the other two. Some of us don't have infinite time.
---

Hbthebattle posted...

Remember how we all were talking yesterday about there probably not being a cop because of Cam and 5tar? What happened to that, hm?

Just go >_>

I scanned 3 mafia. Deal with it.

You're really mad about this why?
---

Lea3Lea posted...

I never believed a mostly useless flavour scanner was the only scanner in a game of 21.

Mostly useless??
It caught scum, did it not?
---

Alright well I'm gonna just shut up now because there's nothing productive for me to say until you continue

(see how this isn't helpful. Anyway do whatever)

Votals (as of post #1 blaze it):
(4) Dowolf: (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death, (Ben), (Lea), (Sultan), Lopen
(3) Lea: (Cam), (Corrik), (Cam), (puns), (Chris), Tom, Hb, (5tar), (Scare), (Scare), (Ulti), Ulti
(2) SBell: (Corrik), (puns), (Lea), Chris, puns, (Lopen), (Lea)
(2) red: Cam, pezloco, (Lopen), (Lea), (Lea), (Lopen), (Lea)
(2) Ben: (Chris), (Corrik), (Lea), (dowolf), 5tar, (Chris), Luis
(1) MZero: (Lea), (Lea), (Lea), (Ben), (dowolf), (Cam), (Lea), (Lea), (Death), (Lea), (Lea), Lea
(1) Sir Chris: (Tom), (Ben), (puns), (Sultan), (Scare), Corrik, (puns), (Lea)
(1) Scare: (5tar), (puns), (Lea), dowolf
(0) Lopen: (Ulti), (Hb), (SBell), (Scare), (SBell), (Ulti)
(0) Tom: (Ulti)
(0) pezloco: (Ulti), (red)
(0) Hb: (Chris), (Lea), (puns), (Tom), (Corrik), (Death), (Cam), (Corrik)
(0) Sultan: (pezloco), (SBell), (Luis)
(0) Puns: (Lea), (Corrik), (Ulti), (Scare), (Lea)
(0) Cam: (Lopen), (Lea), (Sbell)
(0) Death: (Lea), (Chris)
(0) Lolo: (Lea), (Cam)
(0) Corrik: (Sultan)
(0) No Lynch: (pezloco), (Tom), (Lopen)
(0) Luis: (Lea)
(0) Ulti: (Lopen), (Hb), (Scare)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

(unless he's only counting the chrisconch vote)

End of day 2 Votals
(10) Red: 5tar, (Lopen), (Lea), Chris, (Ben), (pez), (Tom), pez, (Hb), Lopen, Ulti, (Corrik), dowolf, (Death), SBell, Corrik, Tom, Lea
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), (puns), (dowolf), puns
(2) Tom: Cam, (Ulti), Lopen
(1) MZero: (Corrik), (Lea), Ben, (Corrik), (Corrik)
(2) Corrik: (dowolf), (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan, Hb
(0) Pez: (Ulti), (Lea), (Tom)
(0) Hb: (Corrik)
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti), (puns), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

(7) MZero: (Lea), (Ben), (5tar), (Ulti), (Lea), (Ben), (Ulti), (Pez), Ulti, (Lea), (Corrik), (Ben), SBell, Death, Lea, Lolo, Ben, Cam
(6) Lolo: (Corrik), (Tom), (SBell), Tom, Lopen, (Lea), (Lea), HB, Puns, Pez, MZero
(1) Hb: (Corrik), Corrik
(0) Pez: (Ben), (Ulti), (Cam), (Ben)
(0) SBell: (Puns), (MZero), (Ben), (Lea), (Lopen), (Tom), (Corrik), (Cam), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Death)
(0) Lea: (Tom), (Hb)
(0) Cam: (5tar), (Ulti), (SBell), (Tom), (Lolo), (Corrik)
(0) Tom: (Lopen), (Cam)
(0) Lopen: (Corrik)
(0) Puns: (SBell)
(0) Ben: (Lopen)
(0) Hb: (Lopen)
---