Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing

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Camarija
06/27/19 9:28:13 PM
#301:


Hbthebattle posted...
Cam, what makes Lea so town to you, especially after the person she pushed for for so long flipped town?


She had Red and Luis in her top 5 mafia suspects on Day 1

Her interactions with both Red and Luis make it unlikely that she is associated with either
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:29:06 PM
#302:


Lopen posted...
Honestly I think like, the game is probably winnable just by going through members of the MZero lynch

Ulti, (Lea), (Corrik), (Ben), SBell, Death, Lea, Lolo, Ben, Cam

Lolo > Ben > Lea > Cam > SBell > Death > Ulti

Granted we can't get to Death and Ulti but Ulti is soft confirmed and the game is probably over by the time we get to Cam.


I mean, honestly, if you are Town I hope you die before we lose

I have no idea why chris wanted me to trust you
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Lopen
06/27/19 9:29:40 PM
#303:


Because I'm good at the game and don't get on obvious scum trains (of which there have been two this game so far)
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Hbthebattle
06/27/19 9:29:56 PM
#304:


Camarija posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
So Cam, you want to lynch one of the people who was NOT on the mislynch yesterday? How does that work out?


Why would you phrase the question this way?

You're making an incredible assumption that Lolo WASN'T also a mislynch

The major difference is that players on Lolo actively WANTED to mislynch the Town Bodyguard (if claim is real)

I believe the claim is real

But there's no evidence that Lolo is a mislynch, while it's proven that MZero was a mislynch, And it's not like you pushed Sbell at all during the last hour, which looking at the votes on him and your PoE you should have been.
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:30:26 PM
#305:


Also, how can the game be over by the time we get to me?

There are only 3 Mafia left?
Lolo, Ben, Lea?

Are you counting on some secret Town killing to save us somewhere?

wut Lopen?
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Hbthebattle
06/27/19 9:30:29 PM
#306:


Camarija posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Cam, what makes Lea so town to you, especially after the person she pushed for for so long flipped town?


She had Red and Luis in her top 5 mafia suspects on Day 1

Her interactions with both Red and Luis make it unlikely that she is associated with either

Rule of 5.
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:31:16 PM
#307:


Hbthebattle posted...
Camarija posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
So Cam, you want to lynch one of the people who was NOT on the mislynch yesterday? How does that work out?


Why would you phrase the question this way?

You're making an incredible assumption that Lolo WASN'T also a mislynch

The major difference is that players on Lolo actively WANTED to mislynch the Town Bodyguard (if claim is real)

I believe the claim is real

But there's no evidence that Lolo is a mislynch, while it's proven that MZero was a mislynch, And it's not like you pushed Sbell at all during the last hour, which looking at the votes on him and your PoE you should have been.


So, if we mislynch the Town Bodyguard today

I'd like to lynch you no matter your alignment, just to make sure you aren't godfather flavor
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5tarscream
06/27/19 9:31:35 PM
#308:


I dont want to lynch Cam let me be clear.
I think if he was scum hed have left lolo to die.
Hb is Harry Potter which most likely makes him town.
Ulti is gardener which most likely makes him town.
I am flavour cop. Town.
We assume corrik is town chronomancer
Lolo is bg.

I think Leas claim is bs. I think her bite hopping is bs. I think her driving MZero literally everyday is bs. Zero wasnt playing well but SBell and Lea where on that every single day. Barely even looking elsewhere in SBells case.

Id be down to lynch either of them. Im suspicious of Ben too.

##Vote: Lea
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:31:51 PM
#309:


Let me know when you want to lynch Tom

I'll be around
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Lopen
06/27/19 9:31:52 PM
#310:


One of Ben/Lea/Cam is probably town. You can still flowchart through it though because town is ahead.
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:34:05 PM
#311:


Lopen posted...
One of Ben/Lea/Cam is probably town. You can still flowchart through it though because town is ahead.


I guess my reads are 100% different to yours then

I have both Ben and Lea as Town
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5tarscream
06/27/19 9:34:07 PM
#312:


Of the three I say Cam. His confusion in his miller flavour, his frustration at not being listened too. His saving of lolo. All three suggest town to me.
Im a little annoyed at his reluctance to full claim at this point but it is what it is.
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:35:23 PM
#313:


5tarscream posted...
Of the three I say Cam. His confusion in his miller flavour, his frustration at not being listened too. His saving of lolo. All three suggest town to me.
Im a little annoyed at his reluctance to full claim at this point but it is what it is.


I think we're deep enough in the game that it doesn't matter anymore

Mafia will have done whatever they have done, or just won't

I'm Town Villager or whatever it's called this game
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Hbthebattle
06/27/19 9:36:16 PM
#314:


Camarija posted...
Let me know when you want to lynch Tom

I'll be around

"Let's lynch someone who was NOT on yesterday's mislynch"

And for the record, there's a big signifier that Lolo is scum: The Lolo train got people active to stop it from starting, while Sbell/MZero, despite being a "one is scum one is town" deal, had very little for either side in the last hour. Tell me, why would this happen for a town Lolo? Wouldn't it remain quiet as Scum would be fine with either MZero or Lolo?
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Lopen
06/27/19 9:37:14 PM
#315:


Dowolf (6): (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death, Ben, Lea, Sultan

Here is the dowolf scum wagon before it reaches critical mass.

Scare and Sultan are town.
Red is on it, scum
Death, Ben, Lea all on it again

... maybe Death needs to be moved up the flowchart. Being on both of the fallguy lynches doesn't look good for him.
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Obellisk
06/27/19 9:37:59 PM
#316:


I like your theory lopen.

And what does scum gain? Scum gains number with a proper recruitment. What's better than that?

Hey 5tar can you repeat your scans for me.
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pezloco
06/27/19 9:38:34 PM
#317:


5tarscream posted...
Of the three I say Cam. His confusion in his miller flavour, his frustration at not being listened too. His saving of lolo. All three suggest town to me.
Im a little annoyed at his reluctance to full claim at this point but it is what it is.


I still think Cam is town. No need for him to claim his role. Let scum decide what to do with that.
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pezloco
06/27/19 9:39:28 PM
#318:


Lopen posted...
Dowolf (6): (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death, Ben, Lea, Sultan

Here is the dowolf scum wagon before it reaches critical mass.

Scare and Sultan are town.
Red is on it, scum
Death, Ben, Lea all on it again

... maybe Death needs to be moved up the flowchart. Being on both of the fallguy lynches doesn't look good for him.


That's probably a good part to go back and reread, the whole Dowolf lynch, knowing what we know now. I'll probably do that in the morning.
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pezloco
06/27/19 9:41:27 PM
#319:


Camarija posted...
5tarscream posted...
Of the three I say Cam. His confusion in his miller flavour, his frustration at not being listened too. His saving of lolo. All three suggest town to me.
Im a little annoyed at his reluctance to full claim at this point but it is what it is.


I think we're deep enough in the game that it doesn't matter anymore

Mafia will have done whatever they have done, or just won't

I'm Town Villager or whatever it's called this game


Or he can claim anyway...
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Lopen
06/27/19 9:46:10 PM
#320:


(4) SBell: (Corrik), (puns), (Lea), Chris, puns, Lopen, Lea
(3) Dowolf: (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death
(3) Lea: (Cam), (Corrik), (Cam), (puns), (Chris), Tom, Hb, (5tar), (Scare), (Scare), Ulti
(2) red: Cam, pezloco, (Lopen), (Lea), (Lea), (Lopen), (Lea)
(2) MZero: (Lea), (Lea), (Lea), Ben, dowolf, (Cam), (Lea), (Lea), (Death), (Lea)
(2) Ben: (Chris), (Corrik), (Lea), (dowolf), 5tar, (Chris), Luis
(2) Sir Chris: (Tom), (Ben), (puns), Sultan, (Scare), Corrik, (puns), (Lea)
(1) Lopen: (Ulti), (Hb), (SBell), (Scare), SBell, (Ulti)

Here were the wagons at the time just before dowolf got scumswarmed. To be fair, he was at 1 for a bit-- the swarm started at (Lea) (who had jumped off to SBell at this time)

Cam gets on the dowolf lynch spiritually as he said "prob scum" when asked about dowolf before the swarming, but never actually got on the lynch.

Things to look at here: Competing lynches. Pretty much everyone here was vaguely considered at risk of the lynch. However, I would say me and Chris were probably more safe than the rank and file. I hadn't been talked about in some time and Chris was actively being white knighted by me.

MZero is town, so it wasn't designed to take heat off him. It doesn't make Lea or Ben look good again in that they were both at some sort of risk, along with Red. Also doesn't make SBell look good. Death is not at any risk, so slight bonus to him, but that could just mean he's been good scum since he's been on both the shady lynches.
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Tom Bombadil
06/27/19 9:47:55 PM
#321:


pezloco posted...
No need for him to claim his role


bit late there

I really want to try to meta HP now that that's confirmed but I just keep wifoming in circles :\

Obellisk posted...
Scum gains number with a proper recruitment. What's better than that?


killing a town maybe?
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Corrik7
06/27/19 9:48:36 PM
#322:


I delayed the kill on Lolo. So he will die tomorrow. He is confirmed town and whoever he guarded.
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:49:37 PM
#323:


Corrik7 posted...
I delayed the kill on Lolo. So he will die tomorrow. He is confirmed town and whoever he guarded.


THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!!!!

BOOMSHAKALAKAKA
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Hbthebattle
06/27/19 9:50:07 PM
#324:


Corrik do you get a notification when you do that
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:50:07 PM
#325:


Camarija posted...
Let me know when you want to lynch Tom

I'll be around


Also, this offer stands
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Tom Bombadil
06/27/19 9:50:25 PM
#326:


You can delay a bg death?
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Corrik7
06/27/19 9:50:53 PM
#327:


Hbthebattle posted...
Corrik do you get a notification when you do that

No but there is no kill. Let's not act brain dead.
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pezloco
06/27/19 9:51:13 PM
#328:


Corrik7 posted...
I delayed the kill on Lolo. So he will die tomorrow. He is confirmed town and whoever he guarded.


Ok, Tom care to give me your thoughts?

1) Everything happened how Corrik described it.

2) Scum NK'ed to eff with us.

3) Someone other than Corrik stopped the kill.

Can you rank these in order of probability in your reads?
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Corrik7
06/27/19 9:51:46 PM
#329:


Tom Bombadil posted...
You can delay a bg death?

I can delay anyone's targeted kill besides my own. I told Lolo literally yesterday to guard 5tar, 5tar to scan HB, and for me to play chicken with scum on the night kill.
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turbopuns3
06/27/19 9:51:56 PM
#330:


You saved Lolo?

Why?
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pezloco
06/27/19 9:53:27 PM
#331:


Tom Bombadil posted...
You can delay a bg death?

Wouldn't Doc work the same way? Corrik is basically a Doc that only saves the player temporarily.

Doc targets BG, BG targets cop. BG is shot, but is saved by Doc getting there in time. Corrik's role just says if a person he targets dies he delays the death. It doesn't stipulate dies in a certain way.
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benjamin3740
06/27/19 9:53:31 PM
#332:


Lopen posted...
Honestly I think like, the game is probably winnable just by going through members of the MZero lynch

Ulti, (Lea), (Corrik), (Ben), SBell, Death, Lea, Lolo, Ben, Cam

Lolo > Ben > Lea > Cam > SBell > Death > Ulti

Granted we can't get to Death and Ulti but Ulti is soft confirmed and the game is probably over by the time we get to Cam.

Unfortunately, no.

The bad news is, we'd probably be dead in your hands. Sorry chris.

The good news is, your buddy Ben got you covered and we've probably won the game as of today.

I'm town cop and I have 3, read em, 3 guilty scans.

Im revealing today because if there's a 4th scum left they are most definitely godfather so I'd be out of luck anyway.

4th scum might be Lolo still. I did not scan him. Assumed 5tar would cover him or HB last night. Though if no other protection is out there then I still think Lolo is town.

As taken from the high prose, avengers endgame - "It's over. We won. You can rest now"
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Corrik7
06/27/19 9:53:32 PM
#333:


There is the very slightest off chance that 5tar is scum and they shot Lolo directly assuming he would protect 5tar so they could confirm 5tar as town. But, I find it super unlikely.
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Lea3Lea
06/27/19 9:54:56 PM
#334:


Ben THE GOD
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Lopen
06/27/19 9:55:08 PM
#335:


Well if Lolo isn't scum, we'd break off that flowchart, of course, so I don't think you can say I'd lose the game for sure.

I'm going to guess the three scum are Sbell, Lea, and Corrik. Do I win?
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benjamin3740
06/27/19 9:55:14 PM
#336:


I'll reveal all 3 guilty scans by the end of the day, but not all at once. First is Pez

And my exact wording with these scans was "PEZ IS MAFIA" . Not Pez is guilty. Which I cant tell is confirming no SK or deconfirming it. Probably deconfirming because I don't think I should get a distinction
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:55:38 PM
#337:


benjamin3740 posted...
Lopen posted...
Honestly I think like, the game is probably winnable just by going through members of the MZero lynch

Ulti, (Lea), (Corrik), (Ben), SBell, Death, Lea, Lolo, Ben, Cam

Lolo > Ben > Lea > Cam > SBell > Death > Ulti

Granted we can't get to Death and Ulti but Ulti is soft confirmed and the game is probably over by the time we get to Cam.

Unfortunately, no.

The bad news is, we'd probably be dead in your hands. Sorry chris.

The good news is, your buddy Ben got you covered and we've probably won the game as of today.

I'm town cop and I have 3, read em, 3 guilty scans.

Im revealing today because if there's a 4th scum left they are most definitely godfather so I'd be out of luck anyway.

4th scum might be Lolo still. I did not scan him. Assumed 5tar would cover him or HB last night. Though if no other protection is out there then I still think Lolo is town.

As taken from the high prose, avengers endgame - "It's over. We won. You can rest now"


This is epic if true!

I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!
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Lea3Lea
06/27/19 9:55:47 PM
#338:


Thank God I can still win without contributing anything worthwhile
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:55:58 PM
#339:


benjamin3740 posted...
I'll reveal all 3 guilty scans by the end of the day, but not all at once. First is Pez

And my exact wording with these scans was "PEZ IS MAFIA" . Not Pez is guilty. Which I cant tell is confirming no SK or deconfirming it. Probably deconfirming because I don't think I should get a distinction


YES!!!

Benjamin!!!!

Pez + Tom + Obellisk ?
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benjamin3740
06/27/19 9:56:29 PM
#340:


Lea3Lea posted...
Thank God I can still win without contributing anything worthwhile

It's over my friend. You can rest now
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:57:05 PM
#341:


Camarija posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
I'll reveal all 3 guilty scans by the end of the day, but not all at once. First is Pez

And my exact wording with these scans was "PEZ IS MAFIA" . Not Pez is guilty. Which I cant tell is confirming no SK or deconfirming it. Probably deconfirming because I don't think I should get a distinction


YES!!!

Benjamin!!!!

Pez + Tom + Obellisk ?


Please this

I want my reads to have been epic this game

And I want my saving of Lolo to have been equally epic
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benjamin3740
06/27/19 9:57:19 PM
#342:


Not Obellisk. He is unscanned but probably town . I'll give you the real reason why in a second now that I've revealed the Pez being mafia info
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pezloco
06/27/19 9:57:57 PM
#343:


Nah, Ben is lying. He's trying to take over the game with fake scans. I'm fairly certain there is one more town power out there, but it is not Ben.
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Camarija
06/27/19 9:58:06 PM
#344:


benjamin3740 posted...
Not Obellisk. He is unscanned but probably town . I'll give you the real reason why in a second now that I've revealed the Pez being mafia info


TY Ben

I always believed in you
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Tom Bombadil
06/27/19 9:58:39 PM
#345:


pezloco posted...
Corrik7 posted...
I delayed the kill on Lolo. So he will die tomorrow. He is confirmed town and whoever he guarded.


Can you rank these in order of probability in your reads?


1 > 2.

3 scum scans seems hard to fake for more than a day. Am interested where that's going. Can't think of a reason to draw it out like this but eh
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Lea3Lea
06/27/19 9:59:44 PM
#346:


pezloco posted...
Nah, Ben is lying. He's trying to take over the game with fake scans. I'm fairly certain there is one more town power out there, but it is not Ben.


Oof

Shoulda gone for the insanity plea based on three guilties
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Tom Bombadil
06/27/19 10:00:11 PM
#347:


sanity probably IS a thing worth thinking about actually
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turbopuns3
06/27/19 10:00:45 PM
#348:


Ok I guess

Never felt less involved in a game
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Obellisk
06/27/19 10:00:46 PM
#349:


Tom Bombadil posted...
Obellisk posted...
Scum gains number with a proper recruitment. What's better than that?

killing a town maybe?


They can do that any night.
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benjamin3740
06/27/19 10:01:18 PM
#350:


If im insane cop I won't even care if we lose. No way everyone i scanned is town though
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