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Paratroopa1 01/15/20 10:43:07 PM #102:	I do concede at least that the question of where prisoners reside is a thorny one, and a lot of local elections wouldn't really have that much applicability to a prisoner regardless of whether or not you consider the prison or their last home address to be their residence. I think I still lean towards allowing prisoners to take part in the process though - and if you don't like it, well, how about we release a lot of prisoners, I also want to do that <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:932993553] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>I do concede at least that the question of where prisoners reside is a thorny one, and a lot of local elections wouldn't really have that much applicability to a prisoner regardless of whether or not you consider the prison or their last home address to be their residence. I think I still lean towards allowing prisoners to take part in the process though - and if you don't like it, well, how about we release a lot of prisoners, I also want to do that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/15/20 10:43:11 PM #103:	Paratroopa1 posted... How did we get almost the exact same totals but with you having +1 on Steyer? looks .......huh It's gotta be some weird combination of answers here and not just a single question. No idea what that combo is though. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:932993558] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Paratroopa1 posted... </cite> <quote>How did we get almost the exact same totals but with you having +1 on Steyer?</quote>looks .......huh It's gotta be some weird combination of answers here and not just a single question. No idea what that combo is though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 01/15/20 10:43:32 PM #104:	As someone closely affected by a homicide, I'm not at all concerned about them making some sort of evil votes. I'd rather not let them corrupt my morals for democracy. --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:932993576] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>As someone closely affected by a homicide, I'm not at all concerned about them making some sort of evil votes. I'd rather not let them corrupt my morals for democracy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/15/20 10:46:05 PM #105:	Paratroopa1 posted... It's really worth keeping in mind that this is a thing that goes back to slavery, by the way The slave states in the south were none too happy about the idea of their slaves not counting towards the number of electoral votes they received, and fought hard to make sure that non-voting populations counted towards apportionment There is a straight line that can be drawn from this to our current situation of prisoners counting for apportionment but not being able to vote (in most places) Well, yeah, this has been around from the beginning and still is with us in the form of the Electoral College as well as countless instances of district lines and such. And it is, and always has been, a blight upon democratic representation. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:932993675] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Paratroopa1 posted... </cite> <quote>It's really worth keeping in mind that this is a thing that goes back to slavery, by the way The slave states in the south were none too happy about the idea of their slaves not counting towards the number of electoral votes they received, and fought hard to make sure that non-voting populations counted towards apportionment There is a straight line that can be drawn from this to our current situation of prisoners counting for apportionment but not being able to vote (in most places)</quote>Well, yeah, this has been around from the beginning and still is with us in the form of the Electoral College as well as countless instances of district lines and such. And it is, and always has been, a blight upon democratic representation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/15/20 10:51:33 PM #106:	Kinglicious posted... I go hard in the opposite direction, hell it doesn't even make logistical sense for the vast majority of instances - what district, the prison's even though they've nothing to do with the community and may not even be residents of that state? You know prison populations already count towards representatives when they draw district lines, right? edit: whoops meant to quote --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:932993890] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Kinglicious posted... </cite> <quote>I go hard in the opposite direction, hell it doesn't even make logistical sense for the vast majority of instances - what district, the prison's even though they've nothing to do with the community and may not even be residents of that state?</quote> You know prison populations already count towards representatives when they draw district lines, right? edit: whoops meant to quote </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/15/20 10:53:29 PM #107:	Chalk me up under everyone should have a vote, no exceptions. Theres literally no compelling moral argument to restrict voting rights, in my eyes. Additionally, there is a nightmare scenario where something could be criminalized to target the voting rights of a group of people. Or to go with something that actually happened, you could introduce drugs into poor neighborhoods to crack down on them and steal their ability to defend themselves. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:932993963] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Chalk me up under everyone should have a vote, no exceptions. Theres literally no compelling moral argument to restrict voting rights, in my eyes. Additionally, there is a nightmare scenario where something could be criminalized to target the voting rights of a group of people. Or to go with something that actually happened, you could introduce drugs into poor neighborhoods to crack down on them and steal their ability to defend themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 01/15/20 10:54:09 PM #108:	I'll go with the extreme care that got brought up when it was asked, Boston bomber. I'm in camp never get anything and the only reason I support his being alive is because the death penalty is prohibitively expensive. I do think there should be more punishment for the ultra rich there too. Their vote ain't their power, their money is. I'd go as far as to consider freezing all money remotely involved with politics from the moment charges get laid. Guilt of any felonies or pled down felonies would admit a removal of donation to any candidate, organization directly tied to a candidate, or party, direct, PAC, company, or otherwise. Easier way to limit it to the rich might be by just setting a set an absolute cap. Not firm on this idea but you get the direction i fall, it's one of the only areas i can be fairly authoritative. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:932993997] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>I'll go with the extreme care that got brought up when it was asked, Boston bomber. I'm in camp never get anything and the only reason I support his being alive is because the death penalty is prohibitively expensive. I do think there should be more punishment for the ultra rich there too. Their vote ain't their power, their money is. I'd go as far as to consider freezing all money remotely involved with politics from the moment charges get laid. Guilt of any felonies or pled down felonies would admit a removal of donation to any candidate, organization directly tied to a candidate, or party, direct, PAC, company, or otherwise. Easier way to limit it to the rich might be by just setting a set an absolute cap. Not firm on this idea but you get the direction i fall, it's one of the only areas i can be fairly authoritative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 01/15/20 10:58:32 PM #109:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Additionally, there is a nightmare scenario where something could be criminalized to target the voting rights of a group of people. like uh weed? <cite>Reg posted [p:932994165] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Additionally, there is a nightmare scenario where something could be criminalized to target the voting rights of a group of people.</quote>like uh weed? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/15/20 11:01:01 PM #110:	xp1337 posted... looks .......huh It's gotta be some weird combination of answers here and not just a single question. No idea what that combo is though. Wait, maybe got it? I said yes to four years of college being free and no to a federal jobs guarantee. If you flip those answers you can get from my results with Steyer+1 to yours. Might be other possible combos too but that's the simplest I think. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:932994261] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>looks .......huh It's gotta be some weird combination of answers here and not just a single question. No idea what that combo is though.</quote>Wait, maybe got it? I said yes to four years of college being free and no to a federal jobs guarantee. If you flip those answers you can get from my results with Steyer+1 to yours. Might be other possible combos too but that's the simplest I think. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 01/15/20 11:01:40 PM #111:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Additionally, there is a nightmare scenario where something could be criminalized to target the voting rights of a group of people. not exactly a nightmare scenario! kind of already happened! many times! <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:932994294] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote> Additionally, there is a nightmare scenario where something could be criminalized to target the voting rights of a group of people.</quote>not exactly a nightmare scenario! kind of already happened! many times! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 01/15/20 11:02:19 PM #112:	xp1337 posted... Wait, maybe got it? I said yes to four years of college being free and no to a federal jobs guarantee. If you flip those answers you can get from my results with Steyer+1 to yours. Might be other possible combos too but that's the simplest I think. That could be it, yeah. I said yes to a federal jobs guarantee but I'm kind of on the fence/neutral about the idea, for various reasons. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:932994322] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Wait, maybe got it? I said yes to four years of college being free and no to a federal jobs guarantee. If you flip those answers you can get from my results with Steyer+1 to yours. Might be other possible combos too but that's the simplest I think.</quote>That could be it, yeah. I said yes to a federal jobs guarantee but I'm kind of on the fence/neutral about the idea, for various reasons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/15/20 11:05:57 PM #113:	Paratroopa1 posted... That could be it, yeah. I said yes to a federal jobs guarantee but I'm kind of on the fence/neutral about the idea, for various reasons. Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross. If a jobs guarantee would require the government (or anyone really but the question was just the government) to make inefficient/needless jobs just for the sake of having them that's... not a good IMO. Like automation reducing the need for jobs shouldn't be seen as a doomsday scenario. It only is if we as a society fail to ensure the productivity from that is not shared/distributed back to the people. Like it should be a good thing that we no longer need to work as much/at all but god forbid can't have that in capitalism. which not gonna lie we're totally gonna do because humanity is awful So like on a practical level if we're gonna go down that road it may well be better offering that guarantee than doing nothing but we really shouldn't go down that road dammit. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:932994470] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Paratroopa1 posted... </cite> <quote>That could be it, yeah. I said yes to a federal jobs guarantee but I'm kind of on the fence/neutral about the idea, for various reasons.</quote>Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross. If a jobs guarantee would require the government (or anyone really but the question was just the government) to make inefficient/needless jobs just for the sake of having them that's... not a good IMO. Like automation reducing the need for jobs shouldn't be seen as a doomsday scenario. It only is if we as a society fail to ensure the productivity from that is not shared/distributed back to the people. Like it should be a good thing that we no longer need to work as much/at all but god forbid can't have that in capitalism. which not gonna lie we're totally gonna do because humanity is awful So like on a practical level if we're gonna go down that road it may well be better offering that guarantee than doing nothing but we really shouldn't go down that road dammit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 01/15/20 11:06:10 PM #114:	Paratroopa1 posted... I think I still lean towards allowing prisoners to take part in the process though - and if you don't like it, well, how about we release a lot of prisoners, I also want to do that yeah we definitely have a lot of agreement on that one and is where i'd put the bulk of prison reform. possession of drugs should be decriminalized, not to be confused with the selling of drugs (which still shouldn't be too severe in most instances - stuff like krokodil where the damage is so extreme makes for a a different case) or selling to minors. three strike rules/rockafeller laws are terrible. basically if you narrow prisons down to violent crimes, crimes that involve large amounts of property damage/theft (as it currently is, stuff like grand larceny or arson for example), and include provisions that'd get the wealthy on the hook, i'd be comfy. but that last one's a giant 'good fucking luck.' --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:932994478] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Paratroopa1 posted... </cite> <quote>I think I still lean towards allowing prisoners to take part in the process though - and if you don't like it, well, how about we release a lot of prisoners, I also want to do that</quote> yeah we definitely have a lot of agreement on that one and is where i'd put the bulk of prison reform. possession of drugs should be decriminalized, not to be confused with the selling of drugs (which still shouldn't be too severe in most instances - stuff like krokodil where the damage is so extreme makes for a a different case) or selling to minors. three strike rules/rockafeller laws are terrible. basically if you narrow prisons down to violent crimes, crimes that involve large amounts of property damage/theft (as it currently is, stuff like grand larceny or arson for example), and include provisions that'd get the wealthy on the hook, i'd be comfy. but that last one's a giant 'good fucking luck.' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/15/20 11:08:53 PM #115:	xp1337 posted... Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross. If a jobs guarantee would require the government (or anyone really but the question was just the government) to make inefficient/needless jobs just for the sake of having them that's... not a good IMO. Like automation reducing the need for jobs shouldn't be seen as a doomsday scenario. It only is if we as a society fail to ensure the productivity from that is not shared/distributed back to the people. Like it should be a good thing that we no longer need to work as much/at all but god forbid can't have that in capitalism. which not gonna lie we're totally gonna do because humanity is awful Creating a bunch of federal jobs during a recession can be good, but a jobs guarantee when unemployment is low is actively bad imo (since you're removing labor from the economy unless you make the jobs so shitty that only someone unemployed would want them). --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:932994587] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross. If a jobs guarantee would require the government (or anyone really but the question was just the government) to make inefficient/needless jobs just for the sake of having them that's... not a good IMO. Like automation reducing the need for jobs shouldn't be seen as a doomsday scenario. It only is if we as a society fail to ensure the productivity from that is not shared/distributed back to the people. Like it should be a good thing that we no longer need to work as much/at all but god forbid can't have that in capitalism. which not gonna lie we're totally gonna do because humanity is awful</quote>Creating a bunch of federal jobs during a recession can be good, but a jobs guarantee when unemployment is low is actively bad imo (since you're removing labor from the economy unless you make the jobs so shitty that only someone unemployed would want them). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/15/20 11:09:38 PM #116:	Reg posted... like uh weed? Paratroopa1 posted... not exactly a nightmare scenario! kind of already happened! many times! Yeah guys, I said that next lol, I was trying to be tongue in cheek about it. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:932994618] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Reg posted... </cite> <quote>like uh weed?</quote> Paratroopa1 posted... </cite> <quote>not exactly a nightmare scenario! kind of already happened! many times!</quote> Yeah guys, I said that next lol, I was trying to be tongue in cheek about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 01/15/20 11:11:22 PM #117:	xp1337 posted... Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross. If a jobs guarantee would require the government (or anyone really but the question was just the government) to make inefficient/needless jobs just for the sake of having them that's... not a good IMO. Like automation reducing the need for jobs shouldn't be seen as a doomsday scenario. It only is if we as a society fail to ensure the productivity from that is not shared/distributed back to the people. Like it should be a good thing that we no longer need to work as much/at all but god forbid can't have that in capitalism. which not gonna lie we're totally gonna do because humanity is awful So like on a practical level if we're gonna go down that road it may well be better offering that guarantee than doing nothing but we really shouldn't go down that road dammit. yeah I was waffling around on that question, think I ended up a "yes" due to the word 'consider'', but I entirely agree with this take --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:932994695] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross. If a jobs guarantee would require the government (or anyone really but the question was just the government) to make inefficient/needless jobs just for the sake of having them that's... not a good IMO. Like automation reducing the need for jobs shouldn't be seen as a doomsday scenario. It only is if we as a society fail to ensure the productivity from that is not shared/distributed back to the people. Like it should be a good thing that we no longer need to work as much/at all but god forbid can't have that in capitalism. which not gonna lie we're totally gonna do because humanity is awful So like on a practical level if we're gonna go down that road it may well be better offering that guarantee than doing nothing but we really shouldn't go down that road dammit.</quote>yeah I was waffling around on that question, think I ended up a "yes" due to the word 'consider'', but I entirely agree with this take </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/15/20 11:12:23 PM #118:	Well, yeah, there's times when the government creating jobs can be a good thing! Rebuilding/repairing infrastructure is one such case that is badly needed right now even. Just I would not agree that it is always a good thing and so if that's a permanent open-ended guarantee then I can't agree with it. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:932994730] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Well, yeah, there's times when the government creating jobs can be a good thing! Rebuilding/repairing infrastructure is one such case that is badly needed right now even. Just I would not agree that it is always a good thing and so if that's a permanent open-ended guarantee then I can't agree with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/15/20 11:16:45 PM #119:	As for the Federal Jobs guarantee, I think it'd work best as a Federal program farmed out to the states. Obviously every state will have their own unique needs, but I think a lot of good could be done by some sort of state/citywide custodial service that targets litter and maintenance. LordoftheMorons posted... Creating a bunch of federal jobs during a recession can be good, but a jobs guarantee when unemployment is low is actively bad imo (since you're removing labor from the economy unless you make the jobs so shitty that only someone unemployed would want them). Unemployment is "low", but there are still millions without jobs. By its nature they're not going to be the best jobs out there, but if places like Wal-Mart or McDonald's are losing labor to it, then maybe they're going to have to treat their labor better so they don't leave? That's a win-win, in my book. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:932994922] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>As for the Federal Jobs guarantee, I think it'd work best as a Federal program farmed out to the states. Obviously every state will have their own unique needs, but I think a lot of good could be done by some sort of state/citywide custodial service that targets litter and maintenance. LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Creating a bunch of federal jobs during a recession can be good, but a jobs guarantee when unemployment is low is actively bad imo (since you're removing labor from the economy unless you make the jobs so shitty that only someone unemployed would want them).</quote> Unemployment is "low", but there are still millions without jobs. By its nature they're not going to be the best jobs out there, but if places like Wal-Mart or McDonald's are losing labor to it, then maybe they're going to have to treat their labor better so they don't leave? That's a win-win, in my book. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/15/20 11:17:47 PM #120:	Or how about we use a Federal Jobs program to build nationwide high-speed rail? That'd be lit. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:932994955] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Or how about we use a Federal Jobs program to build nationwide high-speed rail? That'd be lit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerfectChaosZ 01/15/20 11:18:00 PM #121:	Eliminate prisons. Stop crimes being legal for the rich. Remove fines and fees as a punishment for crime. Make all defense lawyers be free from a single pool. Take money out of justice entirely. <cite>PerfectChaosZ posted [p:932994959] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Eliminate prisons. Stop crimes being legal for the rich. Remove fines and fees as a punishment for crime. Make all defense lawyers be free from a single pool. Take money out of justice entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 01/15/20 11:19:18 PM #122:	xp1337 posted... Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross. 100% agree with this. I decided to vote yes though because I felt like it would be a better situation for a lot of people. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:932995012] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I said no because I believe jobs are a means not an end and that society trying to push the idea that jobs are tied to personal worth/dignity is gross.</quote> 100% agree with this. I decided to vote yes though because I felt like it would be a better situation for a lot of people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 01/15/20 11:21:14 PM #123:	i'm against a jobs guarantee because that sounds like a very quick road to forced labor, a lot of useless spending, or both. and either results in a rapid decline in everything. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:932995111] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>i'm against a jobs guarantee because that sounds like a very quick road to forced labor, a lot of useless spending, or both. and either results in a rapid decline in everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/15/20 11:22:48 PM #124:	That's fair! Depending on how you parse "consider" in that question you could get me to swap to yes, I'm just explaining how I interpreted the question and how it brought me to no. If you had me approach it from another angle I can see how I could have voted yes there, it just wasn't how I did when I took the quiz. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:932995172] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>That's fair! Depending on how you parse "consider" in that question you could get me to swap to yes, I'm just explaining how I interpreted the question and how it brought me to no. If you had me approach it from another angle I can see how I could have voted yes there, it just wasn't how I did when I took the quiz. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/15/20 11:23:02 PM #125:	If there are specific projects that are worth spending government money on to make a large number of new jobs (e.g. rebuilding our infrastructure) I'm all for it! But to actually make it a guarantee I think it's quite likely that the government will also have to have a lot of jobs which are either not more useful than what people would be doing elsewhere or for which people are not qualified. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:932995180] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>If there are specific projects that are worth spending government money on to make a large number of new jobs (e.g. rebuilding our infrastructure) I'm all for it! But to actually make it a guarantee I think it's quite likely that the government will also have to have a lot of jobs which are either not more useful than what people would be doing elsewhere or for which people are not qualified. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/16/20 12:25:07 AM #126:	Kinglicious posted... Inside, nah, you're in prison. You're removed from society and chose to break the law in a severe way so you shouldn't have a say on it while you're there. Im honestly surprised you trust the legal system enough to be so declarative here --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:932997341] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote>Inside, nah, you're in prison. You're removed from society and chose to break the law in a severe way so you shouldn't have a say on it while you're there. </quote> Im honestly surprised you trust the legal system enough to be so declarative here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/16/20 8:17:01 AM #127:	https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1217788141739872257 and https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1217792090865692677 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933007176] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1217788141739872257 and https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1217792090865692677 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/16/20 10:52:35 AM #128:	https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1217660029093871618?s=21 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933016627] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1217660029093871618?s=21</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/16/20 11:19:28 AM #129:	Bernie raised 4 million in 2 days, including 25,000 new people! You love to see it. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:933018442] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Bernie raised 4 million in 2 days, including 25,000 new people! You love to see it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/16/20 11:25:07 AM #130:	One of those was Dave Batista from WWE and Guardians of the Galaxy who donated $2k Bernie walks for miles inside this pit of danger! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933018787] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>One of those was Dave Batista from WWE and Guardians of the Galaxy who donated $2k Bernie walks for miles inside this pit of danger!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/16/20 11:31:22 AM #131:	Jakyl25 posted... One of those was Dave Batista from WWE and Guardians of the Galaxy who donated $2k Bernie walks for miles inside this pit of danger! Bernsketballs don't hold grudges. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933019153] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>One of those was Dave Batista from WWE and Guardians of the Galaxy who donated $2k Bernie walks for miles inside this pit of danger!</quote>Bernsketballs don't hold grudges. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/16/20 11:32:40 AM #132:	The Government Accountability Office today released its finding that the Trump Administration violated the law - the Impoundment Control Act - in putting a hold on the Ukraine aid. fun timing! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:933019243] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>The Government Accountability Office today released its finding that the Trump Administration violated the law - the Impoundment Control Act - in putting a hold on the Ukraine aid. fun timing! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 01/16/20 11:45:55 AM #133:	https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1217834308863434752 the only GOP playbook remaining --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:933020076] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1217834308863434752 the only GOP playbook remaining </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 01/16/20 11:54:48 AM #134:	xp1337 posted... The Government Accountability Office today released its finding that the Trump Administration violated the law - the Impoundment Control Act - in putting a hold on the Ukraine aid. fun timing! Surely the party of LAW AND ORDER will side against the Trump administration here? Maybe we should even... lock them up since they broke the law? And let's be clear, not knowing the law or the consequences is no excuse! --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:933020622] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>The Government Accountability Office today released its finding that the Trump Administration violated the law - the Impoundment Control Act - in putting a hold on the Ukraine aid. fun timing!</quote>Surely the party of LAW AND ORDER will side against the Trump administration here? Maybe we should even... lock them up since they broke the law? And let's be clear, not knowing the law or the consequences is no excuse! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/16/20 12:26:15 PM #135:	So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933022638] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/16/20 12:27:34 PM #136:	Jakyl25 posted... So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached? Yes, if the Senate dismisses the charges for failure to charge an impeachable offense it can be argued that he was never impeached. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933022729] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached?</quote> Yes, if the Senate dismisses the charges for failure to charge an impeachable offense it can be argued that he was never impeached. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 01/16/20 12:28:52 PM #137:	Jakyl25 posted... So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached? No. And any attempt to say otherwise is a sad grasp at straws and will be seen that way by everyone and by history. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:933022828] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached?</quote>No. And any attempt to say otherwise is a sad grasp at straws and will be seen that way by everyone and by history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/16/20 12:33:16 PM #138:	For the jobs guarantee, can people get fired from these jobs? What if someone just refuses to come to work - do they just keep getting paid? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933023098] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>For the jobs guarantee, can people get fired from these jobs? What if someone just refuses to come to work - do they just keep getting paid? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/16/20 12:45:20 PM #139:	red sox 777 posted... For the jobs guarantee, can people get fired from these jobs? What if someone just refuses to come to work - do they just keep getting paid? I don't believe those details are hammered out yet, but I assume yes and no, respectively. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:933023905] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>For the jobs guarantee, can people get fired from these jobs? What if someone just refuses to come to work - do they just keep getting paid?</quote> I don't believe those details are hammered out yet, but I assume yes and no, respectively. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 01/16/20 1:21:24 PM #140:	Jakyl25 posted... So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached? yep. though really due to the predisposed end result and that it's taking biden's main rival off the road for iowa. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:933026313] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>So is there any ambivalence now as to whether or not Trump has actually been impeached?</quote> yep. though really due to the predisposed end result and that it's taking biden's main rival off the road for iowa. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/16/20 2:08:30 PM #142:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... I don't believe those details are hammered out yet, but I assume yes and no, respectively. I'm a little torn. On the one hand, I really like the idea of guaranteed jobs and think it was one of the best things about the Communist countries. On the other hand, I can easily see the government guaranteed job getting a reputation for being a bottom tier job filled with people who can't find work anywhere else. I'm trying to think of ways to make sure that doesn't happen but am having trouble thinking of realistic ones. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933029205] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't believe those details are hammered out yet, but I assume yes and no, respectively.</quote> I'm a little torn. On the one hand, I really like the idea of guaranteed jobs and think it was one of the best things about the Communist countries. On the other hand, I can easily see the government guaranteed job getting a reputation for being a bottom tier job filled with people who can't find work anywhere else. I'm trying to think of ways to make sure that doesn't happen but am having trouble thinking of realistic ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 01/16/20 2:27:08 PM #143:	In more entertaining news, the Bernie Warren exchange audio is out. Yeaaah no, fuck Warren. https://mobile.twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1217620513029152770 --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:933030326] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>In more entertaining news, the Bernie Warren exchange audio is out. Yeaaah no, fuck Warren. https://mobile.twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1217620513029152770 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 01/16/20 2:28:20 PM #144:	thanks cnnlicious --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:933030404] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>thanks cnnlicious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/16/20 2:32:54 PM #145:	I'm hearing from right wing sources that Warren lied about being fired for being pregnant as a teacher. Anyone here know the truth of this? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933030664] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>I'm hearing from right wing sources that Warren lied about being fired for being pregnant as a teacher. Anyone here know the truth of this? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 01/16/20 2:33:58 PM #146:	I'm as unbiased as the network, just more in the opposite way. The nega-CNN. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:933030723] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>I'm as unbiased as the network, just more in the opposite way. The nega-CNN. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 01/16/20 2:42:58 PM #147:	Quick Google check shows mostly right wing sources as the story but the specifics referenced are 1) the contract paperwork having her hired for the second year and she resigned, and 2) a previous interview where she talks about questioning if she should leave her job. Both are in here: https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/07/records-show-elizabeth-warren-lied-about-being-fired-for-being-visibly-pregnant/ And... She doesn't actually defend her position afterwards much actually. Just a "plenty of women were fired for this!" Kind of mentality. Which is true but uh... Probably not her. She does also say the promised job went to someone else in June. Maybe true on that? Though "resignation accepted with regret" is odd to that. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:933031280] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Quick Google check shows mostly right wing sources as the story but the specifics referenced are 1) the contract paperwork having her hired for the second year and she resigned, and 2) a previous interview where she talks about questioning if she should leave her job. Both are in here: https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/07/records-show-elizabeth-warren-lied-about-being-fired-for-being-visibly-pregnant/ And... She doesn't actually defend her position afterwards much actually. Just a "plenty of women were fired for this!" Kind of mentality. Which is true but uh... Probably not her. She does also say the promised job went to someone else in June. Maybe true on that? Though "resignation accepted with regret" is odd to that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/16/20 2:53:38 PM #148:	Steyer in that clip is so hilarious --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933031963] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Steyer in that clip is so hilarious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/16/20 3:12:37 PM #149:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1217660029093871618?s=21 A+ --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933033140] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1217660029093871618?s=21</quote>A+ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 01/16/20 3:14:48 PM #150:	Late to the party but wanted to add my quiz results cause I find them amusing. Warren: 12 Sanders: 8 Yang: 8 Steyer: 8 Bloomberg: 8 Biden: 6 Klobuchar: 5 Gabbard: 5 Buttigieg: 4 Shocked I'm that low with Pete. And Warren stays well above everyone else. --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:933033255] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Late to the party but wanted to add my quiz results cause I find them amusing. Warren: 12 Sanders: 8 Yang: 8 Steyer: 8 Bloomberg: 8 Biden: 6 Klobuchar: 5 Gabbard: 5 Buttigieg: 4 Shocked I'm that low with Pete. And Warren stays well above everyone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 01/16/20 3:17:49 PM #151:	So when Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Lindsey swear to be impartial jurors, can we just hold them in contempt immediately, since we have evidence showing that they said they would NOT be impartial and would work with Trump? --- Board 8 Mafia Archive: ashchive.altervista.org <cite>Ashethan posted [p:933033457] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>So when Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Lindsey swear to be impartial jurors, can we just hold them in contempt immediately, since we have evidence showing that they said they would NOT be impartial and would work with Trump? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/16/20 3:23:59 PM #152:	Gonna go out on a limb and say that several senators are lying here: https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1217888634902319104 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933033797] in Politics C... [t:78332271]...</cite> <quote>Gonna go out on a limb and say that several senators are lying here: https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1217888634902319104 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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