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HeroicSpiderPig
01/17/20 10:41:06 AM
#203:


red sox 777 posted...
And this is about the People. In 2016 the People basically voted Not-Blue no matter who. So it really doesn't matter what Trump did or didn't do. He was barely even a candidate. Those things are irrelevant. What matters are Hillary's emails, Benghazi, the Bidens, etc.


You might not be aware, but there has actually been an election since 2016! And the Representatives (and eventually some Senators) voting for impeachment are the ones whom The People elected in said election. I know that it might be difficult for you to grasp something that you were wrong about, but it did happen.

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Suprak the Stud
01/17/20 11:52:19 AM
#204:


https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/new-hampshire-2020-sanders-holds-lead-klobuchar-surges-to-double-digits

Sanders is now +5 in NH over...Buttigieg? Also Klobuchar is only four points behind both Biden and Warren in this poll.

Weird stuff!

I think Warren is done. Unless she can somehow turn it all around immediately, a loss in Iowa plus a loss in NH ends her campaign entirely. This is just one poll so I wouldn't take everything here as gospel, but her numbers have tanked recently and it has been pretty consistent in every poll in the last month or so. She might be out after NH if this keeps up.

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red sox 777
01/17/20 12:07:48 PM
#205:


Suprak the Stud posted...
https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/new-hampshire-2020-sanders-holds-lead-klobuchar-surges-to-double-digits

Sanders is now +5 in NH over...Buttigieg? Also Klobuchar is only four points behind both Biden and Warren in this poll.

Weird stuff!

I think Warren is done. Unless she can somehow turn it all around immediately, a loss in Iowa plus a loss in NH ends her campaign entirely. This is just one poll so I wouldn't take everything here as gospel, but her numbers have tanked recently and it has been pretty consistent in every poll in the last month or so. She might be out after NH if this keeps up.

As someone who grew up in NH, not surprised at all by that poll.

Yesmar, yes, I'm aware of the 2018 election. That's why the House impeached, and the Senate will acquit.

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red sox 777
01/17/20 12:09:38 PM
#206:


Also, looks like Trump is pretty close to openly endorsing Bernie. Democrats are you watching this. Donald Trump has around 40 million voters who believe his every word. If he says that Bernie is a good guy and an honorable public servant, people will believe him.

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DoomTheGyarados
01/17/20 12:10:26 PM
#207:


It is pretty amazing how badly CNN has gotten dunked on by everyone for this.

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red sox 777
01/17/20 12:15:21 PM
#208:


CNN is by far the worst media outlet there is, so they richly deserve that.

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DoomTheGyarados
01/17/20 12:16:42 PM
#209:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbW0eSYsuKE

Krystal Ball may literally get off on making fun of establishment media

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Samurai7
01/17/20 12:58:35 PM
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Those are very random holes in her shirt.

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 1:11:50 PM
#211:


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Donald Trump, who totally didn't know Epstein, has hired Epstein's lawyer to his impeachment team. Along with Ken Starr of course.
Has Alan Dershowitz ever defended anyone who was actually innocent?

He seems to get off on getting off the most obviously guilty pieces of shit he can to prove his own genius

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 1:13:50 PM
#212:


https://twitter.com/monicalewinsky/status/1218192875931959296?s=21

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red sox 777
01/17/20 1:16:29 PM
#213:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Has Alan Dershowitz ever defended anyone who was actually innocent?

He seems to get off on getting off the most obviously guilty pieces of shit he can to prove his own genius

Alan Dershowitz is a constitutional lawyer. I imagine his job is to address the constitutional side of the case, which doesn't turn on actual innocence. You'd only go to him if your case raised major constitutional issues, whether or not you were innocent.

Before the Revolution, John Adams defended the British soldiers involved in the Boston massacre. The American people understood that he was not taking a side, he was doing his duty to defend everyone's right to a legal defense.

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red sox 777
01/17/20 1:19:43 PM
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Also, Alan Dershowitz was well known to Trump before Epstein ever hired him. Trump and Ted Cruz talked about him at length at one of the Republican debates. Trump claimed that Dershowitz had said there were doubts about whether Ted could run for President given that he was not born on the soil of the United States.

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 2:42:38 PM
#215:


Another "very cool" addition to Trump's legal team: Pam Bondi, the Florida AG he paid off to have her decline to investigate Trump University:

https://twitter.com/paulwaldman1/status/1218254196643979264

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1218203104405020672

Oh, and a reminder just in case anyone is unaware: Alan Dershowitz has himself been accused of raping at least one girl at Epstein's house

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red sox 777
01/17/20 2:53:31 PM
#216:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Another "very cool" addition to Trump's legal team: Pam Bondi, the Florida AG he paid off to have her decline to investigate Trump University:

https://twitter.com/paulwaldman1/status/1218254196643979264

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1218203104405020672

Oh, and a reminder just in case anyone is unaware: Alan Dershowitz has himself been accused of raping at least one girl at Epstein's house

What? A charitable contribution as part of a quid pro quo? That sounds a lot like that Clinton Foundation! Well if Trump has been doing things similar to the Clinton Foundation, maybe he should be locked up.

I think we should consider granting presidents immunity the way holders of high office (consul, governor, etc.) had immunity in the Roman Republic - as long as they stay in an office that comes with immunity.

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Grimlyn
01/17/20 3:45:25 PM
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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 3:47:59 PM
#218:


A good faith argument from a true progressive ally:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1218195021930926082?s=21

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red sox 777
01/17/20 3:51:07 PM
#219:


LordoftheMorons posted...
A good faith argument from a true progressive ally:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1218195021930926082?s=21

He really is the only friend the working class have. Him and Bernie. What a world we live in where a New York billionaire whose whole brand is based on his wealth is the only friend of the poor.

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 3:54:55 PM
#220:


Oh and apparently I had forgotten that it was actually two girls that Dershowitz is accused of raping:

https://twitter.com/noahshachtman/status/1218252382024425473?s=21

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 4:21:57 PM
#221:


Self-titled foreign corruption fighter Donald Trump looking into legalizing bribing foreign companies:

https://twitter.com/vanityfair/status/1218279660498432002?s=21

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Reg
01/17/20 4:40:50 PM
#222:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Self-titled foreign corruption fighter Donald Trump looking into legalizing bribing foreign companies:

https://twitter.com/vanityfair/status/1218279660498432002?s=21
This is The Onion right?

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Grimlyn
01/17/20 4:51:39 PM
#223:


what in the world

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red sox 777
01/17/20 5:17:22 PM
#224:


So while this definitely looks super sketchy, it's not quite as bad as it sounds. In a lot of countries, bribery is effectively required as a condition of doing business. Try doing business in China or Russia or somewhere like that without paying bribes to government officials - the government will shut down your business or investigate you on trumped up charges until you pay up or give up.

If American companies are not allowed to pay the bribes required to do business in these countries, they essentially cannot do business there. Of course that makes American companies less competitive on the world stage compared with companies based in other countries that are allowed to pay bribes.

Morally, is there any difference between paying bribes to corrupt Russian officials and paying taxes to the Russian government which the government can then pay to the corrupt officials as salary? No, right? But under the FCPA it's treated as different under US law.

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Wanglicious
01/17/20 5:28:45 PM
#225:


red sox 777 posted...


Morally, is there any difference between paying bribes to corrupt Russian officials and paying taxes to the Russian government which the government can then pay to the corrupt officials as salary? No, right?

yes.
one is to an individual, the other to a body that's supposed to represent all individuals in that region. if that entire being decides to be corrupt it is something they can do of their will, if i accept an individual's corruption, that's my will.

bear in mind that i do agree that the cost of business in many foreign places is bribery, especially at the low level. but that doesn't make any of it okay and it shouldn't be something we uphold, it's a practice that should be looked down upon and not done by what should be a moral authority.

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Peace___Frog
01/17/20 5:34:43 PM
#226:


The GOP is now officially the "Bribery is Good, Actually" Party

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Kinglicious
01/17/20 5:45:50 PM
#227:


Honestly this is a bipartisen one. We're talking the cost of business in other nations, that has no ideology. Quickest example i remembered:

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

That one involved our officials from back in 2009. Do we know who knew what? No. But when we're talking big money like the only party is the dollar.

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Grimlyn
01/17/20 5:47:00 PM
#228:


i like how the first thing I've heard of Bennet in ages is that he won't be able to campaign like the other senators

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 6:52:13 PM
#229:


red sox 777 posted...
So while this definitely looks super sketchy, it's not quite as bad as it sounds. In a lot of countries, bribery is effectively required as a condition of doing business. Try doing business in China or Russia or somewhere like that without paying bribes to government officials - the government will shut down your business or investigate you on trumped up charges until you pay up or give up.

If American companies are not allowed to pay the bribes required to do business in these countries, they essentially cannot do business there. Of course that makes American companies less competitive on the world stage compared with companies based in other countries that are allowed to pay bribes.

Morally, is there any difference between paying bribes to corrupt Russian officials and paying taxes to the Russian government which the government can then pay to the corrupt officials as salary? No, right? But under the FCPA it's treated as different under US law.
Not being able to do business with American companies is the type of large financial pressure that might be able to chip away at that "standard business practice"

Pretty similar to how China can easily crack down on individual companies willing to censor speech for them (e.g. Blizzard), but it would hurt them a lot if all American businesses just stopped operating there unless they could do so on their terms.

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red sox 777
01/17/20 7:46:40 PM
#230:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Not being able to do business with American companies is the type of large financial pressure that might be able to chip away at that "standard business practice"

Pretty similar to how China can easily crack down on individual companies willing to censor speech for them (e.g. Blizzard), but it would hurt them a lot if all American businesses just stopped operating there unless they could do so on their terms.

That's true. But remember Trump campaigned on America First. That means that his platform is to put American profits above the goal of improving ethics in China or Russia or Ukraine.

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Kinglicious
01/17/20 8:51:37 PM
#231:


America first, yes.
But there's a certain pride that this would violate because we'd be no better than anyone else. Fuck that, we're the biggest economy. If we don't lead the idea of a business with no bribes, nobody will. Now granted, if your position is that we do it anyway and thus is being more honest, fine. But mine is that we shouldn't be anyway and all those who do should be fired.

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 9:13:01 PM
#232:


Bill Barr defying a court order to hand over Mueller material:

https://twitter.com/shimonpro/status/1218346310627139587?s=21

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/20 9:15:30 PM
#233:


In other news, huge props to Evelyn Yang for speaking about her sexual assault by her doctor, which has caused a bunch of other women to come forward with their own allegations against him:

https://twitter.com/danabashcnn/status/1218315967857680387?s=21

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Metal_DK
01/18/20 1:39:53 AM
#234:


Yang isnt a perfect candidate, but might be my top choice. He definitely understands how much 2007 events have fucked us over

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LordoftheMorons
01/18/20 12:34:17 PM
#235:


https://twitter.com/repdonbeyer/status/1218554639064297472?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4
01/18/20 3:27:21 PM
#236:


https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-hyde-amendment-abortion-rights-1442412

King Bernie on the record for Womens right to choose before Roe V Wade.

edit: article is old, but I just found out about it

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Jakyl25
01/18/20 7:49:26 PM
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Suprak the Stud
01/18/20 8:31:01 PM
#238:


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-first-post-debate-polls-are-in-and-theyre-pretty-weird/

The first post debate polls are in! And they're...pretty weird.

Suprak the Stud posted...


Sanders is now +5 in NH over...Buttigieg? Also Klobuchar is only four points behind both Biden and Warren in this poll.

Weird stuff!

Ok which one of you jerks secretly works at 538 and has been stealing my incisive political commentary without my permission.

Seriously though I'm glad I wasn't crazy looking at some of the recent polls and thinking they didn't look totally in line with expectations.

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LordoftheMorons
01/18/20 10:01:12 PM
#239:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1218674016942219265?s=21
It will also look terrible is absolutely the motivation behind this tweet

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LordoftheMorons
01/18/20 10:29:22 PM
#240:


In which Alan Dershowitz claims that actual treason is not impeachable:

https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/1218704666688704512?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4
01/19/20 2:12:13 PM
#241:


https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1218005558458044416?s=21

Chegg.com did a poll of college students, and Bernie leads with as much as the next three combined.

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Corrik7
01/19/20 2:15:53 PM
#242:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1218005558458044416?s=21

Chegg.com did a poll of college students, and Bernie leads with as much as the next three combined.
Wonder why

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ChaosTonyV4
01/19/20 2:41:02 PM
#243:


who can say

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Corrik7
01/19/20 2:41:49 PM
#244:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
who can say
Anyone with common sense?

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ChaosTonyV4
01/19/20 2:49:53 PM
#245:


hmm

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red sox 777
01/19/20 5:17:26 PM
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So I realized another thing the Senate could do is filibuster until the election, then dismiss for mootness. Call it the corollary to the Biden Rule - the Senate will not remove a president during an election year.

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Kinglicious
01/19/20 5:25:46 PM
#247:


LOTM, there's no way this much Twitter is healthy for you if this is what you're regulalry checking. Take your breaks of it man.

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LordoftheMorons
01/19/20 5:41:47 PM
#248:


I mostly just read through my feed while eating. If I wasnt on Twitter I would be on gamefaqs or reddit or something.

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Corrik7
01/19/20 6:11:45 PM
#249:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I mostly just read through my feed while eating. If I wasnt on Twitter I would be on gamefaqs or reddit or something.
You must eat a lot my bud.

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red sox 777
01/19/20 6:35:46 PM
#250:


You can save time by just reading @realdonaldtrump. All the news is right there!

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Wanglicious
01/19/20 8:30:34 PM
#251:


oh yeah, almost forgot. i don't think i saw it in here but you remember how Iraq wanted us gone?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/world/middleeast/us-military-iraq.html

Iraqs acting prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, who has said that his government would comply with Parliaments order to expel American forces, seemed to soften his position on Wednesday.

In a speech to his cabinet, he suggested that Parliaments decision might not be the final word, saying If we reach the decision to get the forces out of Iraq, then this would be the decision of the Iraqi government.

He also noted that if the government expelled the Americans, it would follow an appropriate time line, suggesting that any departure might not be immediate. He also reminded the ministers that ISIS has begun to reorganize and plan invasions and attacks.

Mr. Abdul Mahdi had asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo over the weekend to send delegates to Iraq to work out the details of a troop withdrawal, according to a statement released by his office.


well, according to two anonymous military officials and the above info nothing is really happening there apart from a two week vacation.
i mean ideally it's pushing the idea of us leaving more, that'd be great. but i'm gonna go with "same difference, same shit."

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Leafeon13N
01/19/20 9:48:35 PM
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Two fucking Bloomberg ads in one commercial break.
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