Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 289: You Down to Invoke P? Yeah You Know Me!

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Jakyl25
04/02/20 10:16:14 PM
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Keeping the 90s rap references flowing
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RaidenGarai
04/02/20 10:34:38 PM
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According to Twitter, the 3M thing from the last topic was them selling masks to foreign countries and not here. It's twitter though,so I don't know how much of that is true

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Inviso
04/02/20 10:36:41 PM
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This is better. I couldn't think of a damn thing for a title. Everything has been corona-related for weeks now.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/02/20 10:55:57 PM
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YEAH YOU KNOW ME

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ChaosTonyV4
04/02/20 11:25:59 PM
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/490570-biden-confirms-hes-considering-whitmer-for-vp

Strategically she makes sense, but it sure feels like a slap in the face to people who want Single Payer

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red sox 777
04/03/20 12:14:26 AM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/490570-biden-confirms-hes-considering-whitmer-for-vp

Strategically she makes sense, but it sure feels like a slap in the face to people who want Single Payer

Biden is running against single payer. He doesn't want it. It's not because he thinks it's not feasible or politically impossible. He simply doesn't want it.

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Corrik7
04/03/20 3:02:30 AM
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Here you go, Sephy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654

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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 3:08:37 AM
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Corrik7 posted...
Here you go, Sephy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654
That analysis ignores all of the extra death that will occur if we overwhelm hospitals (both from covid and from other stuff that won't be able to be treated). Given that without treatment the death rate appears to go up by a factor of like 3-5, you'll certainly have a lot more death than without the coronavirus if you give up on containing it.

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Corrik7
04/03/20 3:15:41 AM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
That analysis ignores all of the extra death that will occur if we overwhelm hospitals (both from covid and from other stuff that won't be able to be treated). Given that without treatment the death rate appears to go up by a factor of like 3-5, you'll certainly have a lot more death than without the coronavirus if you give up on containing it.
It is by the imperial college. It talks about factors if successful lockdowns occur.

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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 3:29:43 AM
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Sorry, I should specify that I mean the claim by this dude Spiegelhalter that the majority of the victims would die within the year anyway ignores hospitals being overwhelmed. He's not one of the authors of the Imperial College London study.

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Corrik7
04/03/20 3:32:56 AM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Sorry, I should specify that I mean the claim by this dude Spiegelhalter that the majority of the victims would die within the year anyway ignores hospitals being overwhelmed. He's not one of the authors of the Imperial College London study.
They are using the Imperial College numbers of how many would have died in certain scenarios.

If the IC said 500k would have died in this scenario, then your complaint should be the IC didn't account for overwhelmed hospitals (tho they likely did).

Italy has overwhelmed hospitals and their average age of death last I checked was 80 (and that is not counting their nursing home deaths I believe - just hospitals).

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Peace___Frog
04/03/20 7:07:02 AM
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This is excellent, jakyl

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HarshRapDebater
04/03/20 7:30:22 AM
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I trust Trump is doing as good a job as could be realistically done here. We need someone with vision and out of the box thinking at a time like this.

seriously don't get why you keep saying trump has exhibited anything resembling "vision" on this. he's done a complete 180 on what the best strategy to deal with the virus is like 10 times now.

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HarshRapDebater
04/03/20 9:22:05 AM
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so there's about 6000 confirmed coronavirus deaths in the US now.

confirmed swine flu deaths for north america as a whole was 3642, according to the ECDC.

i assume all the "bUt We DiDn'T sHuT doWn ThE eCoNoMy FoR tHe SwInE fLu" people are going to move the goalposts to something different now, right?

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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 9:53:09 AM
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https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1246067852370751488?s=21

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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 10:28:05 AM
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Apparently that alpha/beta douchebag that was all the rage here like 8 or 9 years ago is now a preemptive coronavirus antivaxxer!

https://twitter.com/badmedicaltakes/status/1245791610228674560?s=21

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FFDragon
04/03/20 10:28:29 AM
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Realo?

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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 10:30:51 AM
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Realo was one of his biggest fans iirc

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HarshRapDebater
04/03/20 10:36:52 AM
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yup, realo loved him and constantly talked about his blog posts

ahh the alpha/beta debates

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Peace___Frog
04/03/20 10:41:19 AM
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That was more like ten years ago, I think? What an era.

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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 10:42:14 AM
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Definitely the worst the board ever was

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Jakyl25
04/03/20 10:59:57 AM
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red sox 777
04/03/20 11:01:49 AM
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HarshRapDebater posted...
seriously don't get why you keep saying trump has exhibited anything resembling "vision" on this. he's done a complete 180 on what the best strategy to deal with the virus is like 10 times now.

You have to wait a few weeks or months to see the results of Trump's actions first. What I've noticed over the past 5 years is that Trump's actions always look bad in the moment but somehow they all seem to work out. So in a few months, we'll see what ended up happening, and can judge Trump's response then.

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Reg
04/03/20 11:06:22 AM
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Peace___Frog posted...
That was more like ten years ago, I think? What an era.
It was definitely very shortly after I came to the board, which was very slightly more than 10 years ago now
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red sox 777
04/03/20 12:07:06 PM
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Also, being able to change your mind quickly when new information arrives is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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Kinglicious
04/03/20 12:12:35 PM
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Sounds like a beta thing to do, you omega.

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pyresword
04/03/20 12:28:42 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
Also, being able to change your mind quickly when new information arrives is a good thing, not a bad thing.

The problem isn't that he changed his mind. The problem is that the information shouldn't have been "new", and wouldn't have been if he'd listened to any of the infectious disease experts telling him that this would be a problem and what needed to be done.
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Kinglicious
04/03/20 12:31:42 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Apparently that alpha/beta douchebag that was all the rage here like 8 or 9 years ago is now a preemptive coronavirus antivaxxer!

https://twitter.com/badmedicaltakes/status/1245791610228674560?s=21

Also there's some serious irony here.
Coronavirus here has a chance to sterilze men.
And if you're gonna go with cancer virus in a vaccine then you're fine calling this airborne aids.

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HarshRapDebater
04/03/20 1:42:36 PM
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pyresword posted...
The problem isn't that he changed his mind. The problem is that the information shouldn't have been "new", and wouldn't have been if he'd listened to any of the infectious disease experts telling him that this would be a problem and what needed to be done.

yeah, this.

it's not like there suddenly were ten times more americans dying when he changed his mind. he just started saying the virus was a super big deal for no apparent reason.

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Suprak the Stud
04/03/20 1:46:41 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/490570-biden-confirms-hes-considering-whitmer-for-vp

Strategically she makes sense, but it sure feels like a slap in the face to people who want Single Payer

I agree with your (I think it was you) original proposal that Baldwin is best VP choice for either Biden or Sanders, but I don't hate a Whitmer pick. She makes a lot of sense demographically, politically, and she's young. I'd be much happier with her than anyone 538 suggested last week besides Duckworth.

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TheRock1525
04/03/20 2:19:25 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/01/andrew-yang-coronavirus-discrimination/

Welp Andrew Yang can fuck right off.

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skullbone
04/03/20 2:25:58 PM
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Yeah what the fuck kind of advice is that?

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pyresword
04/03/20 2:28:57 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-letter/index.html

Is he allowed to invoke "D" though??
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FFDragon
04/03/20 2:34:13 PM
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I'm find great pleasure in Sessions getting screwed over in every possible way after going full Trump.

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MoogleKupo141
04/03/20 3:22:18 PM
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https://twitter.com/johnbrownwrld/status/1246118937466732562?s=21
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xp1337
04/03/20 4:17:22 PM
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Remember when Kushner was saying the Strategic National Stockpile isn't supposed to be for the states? Its own website disagreed. So of course they edited it today to remove that: https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1246109260104294406

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Meanwhile, in Georgia, the (Republican) Secretary of State was making an effort to mail absentee ballots to all voters in the state amid the pandemic. The GOP State House Speaker is coming out against it saying "this will be extremely devastating to Republicans and conservatives in Georgia."

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490879-georgias-gop-house-speaker-says-vote-by-mail-system-would-be-devastating

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Leafeon13N
04/03/20 4:19:19 PM
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Republicans realized their voters are locked in so they can just be honest that higher turnout would mean losses.
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ChaosTonyV4
04/03/20 5:20:13 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-disrupting-red-light-camera-company-revenue-2020-4

Imagine writing this

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DoomTheGyarados
04/03/20 5:22:36 PM
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In fairness in the bullet points they mention less driving is good. It is a business site!

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Corrik7
04/03/20 5:30:57 PM
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Jesus Christ. Trump said the CDC recommends cloth masks and Trump goes out of the way to say it is voluntary, and he won't be doing it himself.

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red sox 777
04/03/20 5:32:00 PM
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Trump suggesting that maybe we should abolish handshakes going forward permanently. I approve!

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red sox 777
04/03/20 5:33:20 PM
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Trump also said the word "coronavirus" for the first time in a while. It was "Chinese virus" and then just "virus" for a while.

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Wanglicious
04/03/20 5:50:07 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-disrupting-red-light-camera-company-revenue-2020-4

Imagine writing this

adding this to the list of things coronachan is killing.


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Suprak the Stud
04/03/20 5:58:07 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Jesus Christ. Trump said the CDC recommends cloth masks and Trump goes out of the way to say it is voluntary, and he won't be doing it himself.

I can guarantee my conservative relatives will only listen to the second half of this statement!

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HarshRapDebater
04/03/20 6:00:08 PM
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oh sephy is banned again

not gonna lie, i was kinda curious what he was going to say about my swine flu post (though he was probably gonna ignore it)

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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 6:05:22 PM
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I bought some handkerchiefs to make homemade masks yesterday. I was kind of on the fence, but seeing that LA officially recommended them pushed me over the edge because actual surgical masks are already back-ordered for over a month on Amazon and I didn't want to risk the same thing happening with other options.

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Wanglicious
04/03/20 6:33:15 PM
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double layer 'em.
apparently that's really effective with hand towels too.


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LordoftheMorons
04/03/20 6:35:20 PM
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Wanglicious posted...
double layer 'em.
apparently that's really effective with hand towels too.
I'm gonna try doing this:
https://twitter.com/YUA_nyan_22/status/1243329696823042048

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Kinglicious
04/03/20 6:38:52 PM
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Simple enough, multiple layers, sure. I was thinking of this basic guide:

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

I don't know how multiple folds like that works but it's gotta be more helpful.

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Corrik7
04/03/20 6:43:42 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
I can guarantee my conservative relatives will only listen to the second half of this statement!
Trying to get someone to make me a mask. Lol.

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