Board 8 > Independent Survivor Mafia Topic 1: There's like an infection or something

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Also, this is gonna sound dumb

But what is a LyLo/MyLo

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ViolentAbacus posted...

Also, this is gonna sound dumb

But what is a LyLo/MyLo

No dumb questions! LyLo is Lynch or you Lose, where if you don't lynch scum town loses, MyLo is Mislynch and you Lose, where if you mislynch town loses.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

If I could get onboard a no lynch, as long as we don't straight up vote for a no lynch.

Also, team work for the win!

how exactly do you propose this and why? It requires very difficult tiebreaker rules to achieve a no lynch without voting for no lynch.

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Sheep007 posted...

It's probably something like codenames being required on the scum forum, I doubt that scum coming forward will actually happen.

After doing stupid mafia math, I've come up with an idea. Ben, your chances of winning go up with each player still alive, correct? Therefore, lynching someone who has an attainable win condition reduces your chances of winning quite a bit. Because of that, it would be beneficial to no-lynch when it does not appear that a specific lynch helps attain a goal, UNLESS you think they are likely scum (because that both meets your own backup win condition and helps several others, myself included). I personally benefit from both of those circumstances, the latter slightly more than the first due to it giving me a higher chance of being targeted at night, but still. Assuming you are one of the better players, I'm wondering how okay with following those guidelines you would be? I think it would give me and by extension, you, a greater chance to win, as well as directly giving you more opportunities to win.

Smart strategy, and i'm all for it. Though i'm mainly just going with the flow and who knows what I'll do in the last 5 minutes of the day when emotions are hot and hormones are wild!

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Did anyone consider that if we all vote for ben then we all get to survive except for ben? It's a pretty good point when you think about it.

changmas posted...

how exactly do you propose this and why? It requires very difficult tiebreaker rules to achieve a no lynch without voting for no lynch.

I think what they propose is that we vote no lynch at the end of the day if there isn't clear scum out there, while still trying to ensure that there is pressure on people and we are considering other options. Like someone else mentioned, this is a bit of a prisoner's dilemma situation and we do generally benefit from staying chill and not killing anyone unless we are confident they are scum.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Did anyone consider that if we all vote for ben then we all get to survive except for ben? It's a pretty good point when you think about it.

Yes but also we could just no lynch and achieve the same goal except we have Ben in the game who could help us achieve our win conditions, make good points and also be a person that is not us who dies at night. Keeping as many players in the game as possible is helpful because I and I assume everyone else loses if they die at night, so more players alive reduces the odds of it being you.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Did anyone consider that if we all vote for ben then we all get to survive except for ben? It's a pretty good point when you think about it.

Puns wants this to be a popularity contest. Fine. Wanna settle this with a DANCE OFF?

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turbopuns3 posted...

Did anyone consider that if we all vote for ben then we all get to survive except for ben? It's a pretty good point when you think about it.

Did anyone consider that if we all vote for puns then we all get to survive except for puns? Its a pretty good point when you think about it.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Did anyone consider that if we all vote for ben then we all get to survive except for ben? It's a pretty good point when you think about it.

Is there a good reason to kill Ben, though? His existence seems beneficial to those of us with theoretically achievable wincons. Assuming he's telling the truth.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Assuming he's telling the truth.

Let met get this right. You all think we ought to just not lynch anyone in this mafia game?

I'm not sure why I said you all I was explicitly replying to Sheep's post

How effective can ben really be I wonder? And I'm not even saying that as an argument to lynch him

I mean just think it through

Everyone is likely to be cagey and lie and not want to help other people win, naturally. Ben is claiming a role that completely subverts that, but like how does it play out? Unless your wincon is "get 1 person to support you" then other people besides ben are still gonna be trying to stop you from winning

His claimed objective is to remove people from the game and that's like the opposite of my objective so

turbopuns3 posted...

How effective can ben really be I wonder? And I'm not even saying that as an argument to lynch him

I mean just think it through

Everyone is likely to be cagey and lie and not want to help other people win, naturally. Ben is claiming a role that completely subverts that, but like how does it play out? Unless your wincon is "get 1 person to support you" then other people besides ben are still gonna be trying to stop you from winning

The power of friendship can overcome all odds!

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Ahhh. I see. So there's no way I can help you. And everyone else trying to win hurts you. Well, it sounds like you're in the minority. You know who else is in the minority? SCUM


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##unvote

Man we missed a golden opportunity to speedhamner No Lynch

PunishedBen posted...

You know who else is in the minority? SCUM

Everyone is the minority!

turbopuns3 posted...

His claimed objective is to remove people from the game and that's like the opposite of my objective so

so your objective is to....keep people in the game? or something along those lines? but you still want to lynch Ben, removing one player from the game?

By your own admission:

turbopuns3 posted...

How effective can ben really be I wonder? And I'm not even saying that as an argument to lynch him

I mean just think it through

Everyone is likely to be cagey and lie and not want to help other people win, naturally. Ben is claiming a role that completely subverts that, but like how does it play out? Unless your wincon is "get 1 person to support you" then other people besides ben are still gonna be trying to stop you from winning

If you want to keep players in the game, and you don't even think Ben will be particularly effective in this game as the only person actually helping others to win....why does it even make sense for you to want to lynch him?


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PunishedBen posted...

The power of friendship can overcome all odds!

It is known.

Chang you're focusing too much on something unimportant. I'm not really championing ben's lynch here, I was just making an entrance beyond "oh this started"

I assumed the Ben thing was puns joking about the last game (him dying/ben winning etc)
turbopuns3 posted...

Let met get this right. You all think we ought to just not lynch anyone in this mafia game?

This also sounds like a possible win condition. "go a day without lynches or deaths"
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But no you're right, I don't have a specific reason to want to lynch him related to my wincon or anything

turbopuns3 posted...

Chang you're focusing too much on something unimportant. I'm not really championing ben's lynch here, I was just making an entrance beyond "oh this started"

turbopuns3 posted...

But no you're right, I don't have a specific reason to want to lynch him related to my wincon or anything

no worries, just wanted to clarify that point!

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Leanansidhe posted...

Ben why am I obvtown? The last time you said that you were scum

*shrug* I believe your claims that you are disappointed in your win con

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firefdr posted...

well sure

I'm a dice roller, every night I roll a d12 and if I get a 12 I leave

what about yours?

also if true this is a very unfun wincon and i feel bad for you :(

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Leanansidhe posted...

I wish I had that win-con, I'm extremely lucky

I'm quite curious meow

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The dice one seems fairly nice compared to mine!

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Leanansidhe posted...

I wish I had that win-con, I'm extremely lucky

I'm thinking of a number between 1-10. If you can guess it, I'll join your team, "the fighting mongooses".

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changmas posted...

I'm thinking of a number between 1-10. If you can guess it, I'll join your team, "the fighting mongooses".

5.3825
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Hbthebattle posted...

5.3825

ok to clarify i am thinking of an integer between 1-10, because I am nice

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Leanansidhe posted...

3

Oh, that's just a joke because I get through life through luck alone, without any kind of skill. But I've been really lucky

it was 9 :(

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Leanansidhe posted...

Lynch all liars

You're the one who lied about being lucky!

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Leanansidhe posted...

Oh, that's just a joke because I get through life through luck alone, without any kind of skill. But I've been really lucky

You know, upon rereading it's quite obvious what you mean. But yeah, you two should just trade wincons. Problem solved!

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turbopuns3 posted...

Let met get this right. You all think we ought to just not lynch anyone in this mafia game?

I think not lynching is a viable strategy unlike in most games, and I would much rather we do it because the majority of the benefits of the always-lynch meta aren't relevant. I still think we should lynch if we are fairly confident that someone is scum but voting for the least bad option is not something I'd want to do in this game. Again, more people being alive is beneficial to me and makes my wincon more likely to occur.

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firefdr's claim is so close to mine that I'm just going to go ahead and say he's probably lying

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Han, wild guess but is your role that you have a certain number of dice to roll, and if you roll a certain number you win, but you lose a dice for every person that votes you?

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Close, but not quite.

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See unless Han has just completely given up on his win condition being possible, I simply don't believe that voting him actually makes him weaker because I don't think he would reveal that information.

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I expect even when massclaims happen we wont get a list of true conditions. I dont even think it will tell us anything helpful about who we should lynch, since its such a universal trait.
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changmas posted...

See unless Han has just completely given up on his win condition being possible, I simply don't believe that voting him actually makes him weaker because I don't think he would reveal that information.

1% weaker.

It's completely RNG, not high chances, and given the amount of times I'll be voted anyway, probably doesn't matter what I do.


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My win condition has nothing to do with any particular player dying or being lynched or voted or anything like that

It's also something that if I ever said what it was, it would greatly decrease the chances of it ever happening

so to be honest I'm a little lost as to how to proceed at the moment!

Sheep007 posted...

I think not lynching is a viable strategy unlike in most games, and I would much rather we do it because the majority of the benefits of the always-lynch meta aren't relevant. I still think we should lynch if we are fairly confident that someone is scum but voting for the least bad option is not something I'd want to do in this game. Again, more people being alive is beneficial to me and makes my wincon more likely to occur.

This is all fair