Board 8 > Independent Survivor Mafia Topic 1: There's like an infection or something

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Maybe if we lynch puns, he'll make another 40-minute video?

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Maybe if we lynch puns, he'll make another 40-minute video?

Now you're talking my language! You can get me to do almost anything for the memes. In other news, this has been the first week in 3 months that I've had work and it is kicking my ass. I am not used to getting up at 8 AM.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Come on Abacus, you know you want to be a cool party dude and hammer IGCD

Unfortunately, I am a party pooper!

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##Vote: Puns

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

##Vote: Puns

##Unvote
##Vote: Puns
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You guys are gonna have to start being a lot more annoying if you want 40 minutes

Hang on. Let me check my role again

Nope, not scum

Leanansidhe posted...

I feel like that's something only a independent survivor scum Puns would say, and I know him very well. This isn't just his personality, it's definitely how he acts as independent survivor scum

this is a very compelling point. I havent played in an independent survivor game before so I dont have any familiarity with how puns normally acts in one. But since youve confirmed it for me, this makes a lot of sense.

##Unvote
##Vote: Puns

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But have you ever actually stopped and seriously considered...what if God could die? Think about it.

Leanansidhe posted...

Attack and dethrone him

ATTACK THE MOON!
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okay

so here we go

in this game, scum probably needs not-scum to die, right?

so scum wants lynches

Chang followed both of my lynches.

##Unvote: puns
##Vote: Chang

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Oh, that reminds me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Han

Don't really want to lynch you but apparently voting for you messes up your personal win con? Yeah, town is better off with you still here helping us solve the game, bud
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oh come on

everybody who votes me makes my chance of escaping go down :(

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That's kinda the point, bud. Town needs you here. You're too solid a player to let out that easy. Tell you what, I'll make you a deal. Help us lynch scum today and I'll lay off keeping you from escaping :D
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Leanansidhe posted...

If independent survivor town Han actually had that win-con, he wouldn't mention it. Do you know how many votes Han got last game? Pretty sure it was zero. Charitably, he needs something unrelated to win. Uncharitably, it's scum Han doing a sneaky

Oh I know... Probably. Han could be pulling some double reverse psychology mind fuck shenanigans. Regardless it probably at worst does nothing. At best it means we get another day or two of Han checking
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Actually that is a good point. Maybe we should be trying to get as many wincons as possible.
Scum cant kill all of us at once.
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Ok I'm just gonna try and move this game along, because it's kind of painful.We are hours from deadline and have had like less than a hundred posts this day.I think having scum in the game has just made everyone content to sit around and exist as long as possible to have more chances to get their wincon going, so this is hopefully beneficial to myself as well as the game.

I'm cop, I scanned bolt, he's scum. My win con is to find someone specifically to scan but I have no indication as to who it is so it's basically RNG. I'm saying this because the fact that I'm cop gives me hope that there is other town power, like a doctor or someone who can redirect, who needs to have some sort of a save to exit, so I hope I can get some power directed my way, we can kill a scum with this lynch, and I have more nights to attempt my own win. This is at least how I'm justifying it to myself so this is not me going against 'play to win'.

Yeah feel free to shoot me some questions but lets lynch bolt today and then maybe this will turn into an actual mafia game.

also my vote didn't seem to be counted so here it is again

##Vote: Bolt

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well alrighty then.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bolt

I suppose in a smaller game an early claim like this wont hurt as much.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Well played, Aecioo. I think claiming with a guilty scan in such a tiny game is 100% the right call.

yeah to be honest I would not do this is a normal game, but we are all independent (and no one is posting!) so this is in my best interest at this point to save myself from being shot. Maybe there is no town power to save me and I'm guaranteeing my death, but maybe there is, or maybe scum will be scared and shoot elsewhere!

We lynch a scum and I have more time to scan for my own wincon or scum scans is kind of how I'm looking at it.

(now watch me get hit with an unblockable shot)

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

okay

so here we go

in this game, scum probably needs not-scum to die, right?

so scum wants lynches

Chang followed both of my lynches.

##Unvote: puns
##Vote: Chang

I liked the lynch on IGCD because he broke the rules (blatantly!) and I think he ought to die because of it. Voting puns is more about trying to rile him up due to prior events. And for a cherry on top, voting is a necessary piece of my win condition so following any train is basically a must for me.

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##Unvote
##Vote: Bolt


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Damn. Bolt was the other person I was going to go for, but Chang specifically followed me twice.

Anyway, I think Chang is probably still worth looking into so keep that in mind if I die tonight.

##Unvote: Chang
##Vote: Bolt


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ninjad

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Also yeah, in case this gets hammered early and I'm not around, I still suggest looking at IGCD. Bolt argued against my FOOLPROOF logic yesterday, and once I proved that his argument of 'it's just a joke' had no merit to it, he followed me onto a lynch that had no traction at the time. SCUMBUDDY jumping onto a lynch of scum after halfheartedly defending him?

maybe

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oh wait that was chang lol

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Aecioo posted...

Ok I'm just gonna try and move this game along, because it's kind of painful.We are hours from deadline and have had like less than a hundred posts this day.I think having scum in the game has just made everyone content to sit around and exist as long as possible to have more chances to get their wincon going, so this is hopefully beneficial to myself as well as the game.

I'm cop, I scanned bolt, he's scum. My win con is to find someone specifically to scan but I have no indication as to who it is so it's basically RNG. I'm saying this because the fact that I'm cop gives me hope that there is other town power, like a doctor or someone who can redirect, who needs to have some sort of a save to exit, so I hope I can get some power directed my way, we can kill a scum with this lynch, and I have more nights to attempt my own win. This is at least how I'm justifying it to myself so this is not me going against 'play to win'.

Yeah feel free to shoot me some questions but lets lynch bolt today and then maybe this will turn into an actual mafia game.

also my vote didn't seem to be counted so here it is again

##Vote: Bolt

Alright, you wanna play chicken with me friendo? We can both go down. I had a feeling it would play out like this and asked Plum some rather pointed questions in preparation for this event.

This is to the rest of you, not Aecioo. I need to lay some groundwork so that everything makes sense. To start with, I *am* scum but Aecioo doesn't know that because he cop scanned me. My role is Independent Survivor Scum ZOMBIE. I win if town succumbs to the virus. Literally my only win condition. My night power is to kill someone at night. Essentially I'm a reflavored Serial Killer. Last night I killed Ben because I felt he was one of the stronger players in the game and removing him from town would be a good call. I debated on killing Han but I expected if anyone would be protected last night it would be him.

How is this relevant? Because also in my role PM I was specifically told that the person who created the zombie virus knew who I was. I wasn't told who they are but they know who I am specifically. Let that sink in for a second. I asked Plum and while we do win together that person can win without me, and if I die I lose. Their role is ZOMBIE MAKER. This is why I was breadcrumbing a scum recruiter D1, and its why Aecioo is so adamant about lynching me. He claims cop, gets scum killed, gets a ton of free credibility from town, creates another Zombie, gets THEM killed, gets more cred, etc.

So ask yourself. Which is more likely? That the cop, who I have never met before, randomly scanned me as scum D1 OR that the one other player in the game who 100% knew I was scum tried to bus me?
Anyway, its extremely important you guys lynch Aecioo today. He can only create a zombie on even numbered nights like I said, so if you guys don't kill him today then he'll get the chance to create another SK that you guys do not know who is. I'll happily take a leash if town will give me one and kill whoever you guys want tonight, honest to god. Playing town aligned SK and hunting scum is probably the most fun thing I did in Town Of Salem. And even if I go rogue and kill one person tonight you can lynch me tomorrow. If you don't get Aecioo today then you'll be dealing with unknown zombies out there.

This part is for Aecioo. Yeah, get fucked, friendo. You could have kept your fucking mouth shut and had a chance to win. Instead we'll both go down. Town might kill me but they're coming for you real goddamn soon too. You should have backed down when I got off you and onto Puns.

This part is for Plum This game is bastard, Plum, and this is exactly why. Either Aecioo should not have known who I was OR we should have been an actual team who wins together even if we die. I get that its supposed to be an indy game but for this exact reason you put scum in a situation where all our best plays are trying to kill other scum instead of making town succumb to the virus.Winning together but losing separately messed up the whole dynamic. I don't appreciate being put in this position at all but I realize you had good intentions
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Okay uhm first of all...

why should we believe you?

Second of all, if we do play along, why would you turn on Aecioo?

##Unvote

Want to get more time to talk about this either way, lol.
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If somehow I posted that after I got hammered I apologize but I wasn't dead when I posted it and it took awhile to type up. Plus no one has called STOP yet sooooo. Good luck folks
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Okay second question got kinda answered. But I feel like a scum would at least leave one member looking good in this situation, so this just reads as desperate self-preservation.
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No hammer should have happened I dont think.
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htaeD posted...

why should we believe you?

Logic? Like I said, which is more likely? I got randomly cop scanned or the person who knew for sure I was scum tried to bus me?

htaeD posted...

Second of all, if we do play along, why would you turn on Aecioo?

Plum specifically said I lose if I die. I can't win if I'm dead. I wouldn't have tried to bus another scum this aggressively to win but I damn sure intend to go down swinging. If I'm going to lose he can fucking lose too, for sure
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htaeD posted...

But I feel like a scum would at least leave one member looking good in this situation, so this just reads as desperate self-preservation.

We're not a scum team. We share a win con but we lose individually, which is what makes this game bastard. Aecioo has zero reason not to cause me to lose to make himself look better. He never should have known who I am OR we should have been like a more traditional scum team where we win and lose as a team rather than losing independently
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Honestly the least believable part is the fact that this zombiemaker can only make zombies on even nights.
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In games with scum recruitment, they can usually only act every other night.

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htaeD posted...

Honestly the least believable part is the fact that this zombiemaker can only make zombies on even nights.

If he could make a zombie every night Town couldn't possibly win as long as he was alive. He makes a zombie N0 (me) town lynches zombie, he makes a zombie N1, town lynches Zombie, etc.
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Also the fact that Aecioo would sell you out on a day where almost nobody was serious...
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Are you telling me you werent a zombie from the start?
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I gotta head to work soon folks and won't be back for like 8 hours. If you have anything else to ask me we need to hammer it out now. I'll do whatever Town wants with my night kill tonight if I'm still alive, being as truthful there as I can. Leave Aecioo alive at your own risk, folks
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htaeD posted...

Okay second question got kinda answered. But I feel like a scum would at least leave one member looking good in this situation, so this just reads as desperate self-preservation.

Based on what I've seen of Bolt to this point, he seems like a person who would play in "an eye for an eye" sort of manner. He says Aecioo is trying to screw him over; he's going to screw Aecioo over. That's exactly what I would expect Bolt to do.

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htaeD posted...

Are you telling me you werent a zombie from the start?

No, I was definitely a zombie from the start. Sorry, I didn't mean to misrepresent that I was just explaining how recruiter every day doesn't work mechanically. Like I said, I killed Ben N1
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Oh, and sorry Ben, it wasn't personal bud. Consider it a compliment that the choice was your or Han, ok?
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Oh shit, now we're playing mafia.

Honestly all I can say is that I know my role of cop, and you are guilty, which you even admitted to. If everything you said is true, whoever is the zombie maker has to be cackling with glee because of this how this is going down. You say that your only win condition is if town succumbs to the virus, right? So let me get this straight. You want

1. Town to not lynch the only person who has claimed scum
2. To kill me today, which by the rules you have set up, would prevent any other scum from entering the game
3. Lynch you tomorrow, winning the game for all surviving town.

Makes sense, you want to throw a hissy fit to kill me and then if everything you said is true, you die tomorrow to a lynch and everyone wins and goes home happy because there are no more scum because IT'S ONLY EVEN DAYS. Please tell me if you think there are other scum out there right now other than zombie maker, and if so, why no other shot went through last night.

But at the end of the day I hope people will lynch the person who just admitted they are scum, as opposed to trusting him and hoping you have any chance at actually directing his shot.

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Oh right thats another aspect. Aecioo doesnt even have to be the scummaker in this case.
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