Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 316: Goodyear in a Bad Year

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Shoulda been Not a Goodyear.

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Laura Loomer (The nutjob who once handcuffed herself to Twitters office to protest her ban from Twitter for hate speech) has won a GOP Congressional primary:

https://twitter.com/m_feeney/status/1296086059730821121?s=21

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Gross:

https://twitter.com/mzanona/status/1296176743951278086?s=21

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wait, this insane bitch is one of the people behind project veritas? which RT was using as a legitimate source?

if we ever needed evidence that RT is bullshit...

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Laura Loomer (The nutjob who once handcuffed herself to Twitters office to protest her ban from Twitter for hate speech) has won a GOP Congressional primary:

https://twitter.com/m_feeney/status/1296086059730821121?s=21

Is it a red or blue district?

And theres no use telling her that on Twitter, Donald, considering shes banned <_<
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Jakyl25 posted...

Is it a red or blue district?

And theres no use telling her that on Twitter, Donald, considering shes banned <_<

Blue, thankfully

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This is a really great read about a never-Trump Republican:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/19/interview-stuart-stevens-republican-case-against-trump-397918?cid=apn

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The Democrats are inviting Hillary to speak at their convention. Great news for Trump!

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TheRock1525 posted...

This is a really great read about a never-Trump Republican:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/19/interview-stuart-stevens-republican-case-against-trump-397918?cid=apn

Stuart Stevens was a winning GOP operative. Now he feels terrible about what hes done to the country.



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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Stuart Stevens was a winning GOP operative. Now he feels terrible about what hes done to the country.

I never understood this attitude. You want people to realize what they've done try and repent for it, rather than doubling down. I'd rather be forgiving of people who know what they did was wrong now than finger-wagging and insisting that the only acceptable form of repentance is ritualistic suicide.

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I think the problem is this mythological idea that the republican party was once pure and principled but that Trump has corrupted it and now all the republicans feel bad

This is 100% the logical next point of the direction the party has been heading for decades, any decent person would have gotten off this train before this

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1296208610234634240

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Like, if you feel bad about the GOP being the party of Donald Trump and you're longing for the days of W Bush like this guy, you're not a good person

just wait for the party of Q

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I think the problem is this mythological idea that the republican party was once pure and principled but that Trump has corrupted it and now all the republicans feel bad

This is 100% the logical next point of the direction the party has been heading for decades, any decent person would have gotten off this train before this

You're allowed to get off the train at any point. The guy in the interview is literally going "I was wrong" about so many things. About the Iraq War. About Climate Change. About Republicans need for minority outreach.

In a society where anything other than doubling or tripling down on your positions is considered weakness, taking the time to actually acknowledge your mistakes in the past is a good thing.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I think the problem is this mythological idea that the republican party was once pure and principled but that Trump has corrupted it and now all the republicans feel bad

This is 100% the logical next point of the direction the party has been heading for decades, any decent person would have gotten off this train before this

I'm still not going to shame them if they have seen the light and have started moving leftwards. I'll take any allies we can get.

(I haven't read the article yet so I don't know if he moved leftward or is just "republican ideas are good and just Trump is bad" to be fair)

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Trump just said the Iraq War was the single worst decision the United States has ever made.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Like, if you feel bad about the GOP being the party of Donald Trump and you're longing for the days of W Bush like this guy, you're not a good person

yeah, that just makes you sephyg

before trump nominated gorsuch at least

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Grimlyn posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1296208610234634240

Jesus fucking Christ

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Jesus fucking Christ

I just listened to this. He goes on to say that he's saving the world from a left-wing movement, not from the pedophiles and cannibals.

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red sox 777 posted...

I just listened to this. He goes on to say that he's saving the world from a left-wing movement, not from the pedophiles and cannibals.

Yes, but the people in the Q cult are going to see this as validation of their beliefs, and any responsible president would have understood that and said unequivocally that there was no truth to the conspiracy theory.

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red sox 777 posted...

He goes on to say that he's saving the world from a left-wing movement, not from the pedophiles and cannibals.

that's not much better tbqh

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Yes, but the people in the Q cult are going to see this as validation of their beliefs, and any responsible president would have understood that and said unequivocally that there was no truth to the conspiracy theory.

He said that he hadn't heard that those things were happening, which in Trump land is as close to hard no as you're going to get. It actually makes sense, given that Trump is perpetually involved in litigation. If he's a witness in a lawsuit, he doesn't have the foundation to say that the Q conspiracy doesn't exist. He doesn't have any personal knowledge of that. He can only say that he hasn't seen that it exists.

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red sox 777 posted...

He said that he hadn't heard that those things were happening, which in Trump land is as close to hard no as you're going to get. It actually makes sense, given that Trump is perpetually involved in litigation. If he's a witness in a lawsuit, he doesn't have the foundation to say that the Q conspiracy doesn't exist. He doesn't have any personal knowledge of that. He can only say that he hasn't seen that it exists.

The QAnon conspiracy holds that Donald Trump is personally leading the charge against this nonexistent pedophile cabal, so he would in fact be able to conclusively say that at least a central pillar of it is false.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The QAnon conspiracy holds that Donald Trump is personally leading the charge against this nonexistent pedophile cabal, so he would in fact be able to conclusively say that at least a central pillar of it is false.

In fact he did unequivocally say that he is not personally leading the charge against it. Or at least, if he was doing that, he has no knowledge of it.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I never understood this attitude. You want people to realize what they've done try and repent for it, rather than doubling down. I'd rather be forgiving of people who know what they did was wrong now than finger-wagging and insisting that the only acceptable form of repentance is ritualistic suicide.

The problem is I dont believe theyve changed.

Guys sorry I helped a million republicans get elected under W, Trump is too crazy for me please have me.

Republicans were trending towards batshit crazy well before Trump ran for President.

This guy helped those assholes get here, he doesnt get a cookie because Trump manages to be too stupid for even him.


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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The problem is I dont believe theyve changed.

Do you mean "have they abandoned conservative values" then no I don't believe they have either. But conservatism and the GOP are not the same thing.

There's always going to be conservative positions in America. Less government, free trade, capitalism. And those are ideals you have to fight against for what you believe in. But the GOP literally stands for none of those things now.

Conservatism vs. liberalism or socialism vs capitalism are going to be debated until the end of existence. I'm not expecting Republicans to abandon actual conservative ideas, but the fact that they're finally willing to turn away from the baggage that was coming with it, and especially since even the ideals they believed in are getting tossed aside.

It's why I have several conservative friends that I don't run to with every Donald Trump quote to insist that they agree with it. Yes, we debate Universal Health Care. We debate the role of police in society. We debate taxes. And those are debates on merit. But when one of them tells me they regret voting for Trump, I'm not going to throw it in their face and insist "You haven't changed!" The ability to make a mistake and both acknowledge and remedy it is a good characteristic and shouldn't be throw back into people's faces.

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i just don't get why this is something that warrants attention. it's the exact same thing as the bolton thing we were talking about last topic. "for the first time ever i'm not going to vote for the republican nominee but don't worry, OF COURSE i'm writing in some other republican with no empathy whatsoever for the poor!" uh, great? it's cool that these people realize that trump is terrible, i guess. but until they stop supporting assholes, i'm not sure why i should give a fuck.

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I gotta agree with Lasa, here.

"I'm not voting for Trump. I'm not voting against Trump, though, either, because I still want to vote for somebody with similar ideals" is such worthless bullshit it's not even worth discussing.

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It's because A) he wrote a book and B) he supposedly got the most Republicans elected ever.

And he's not just saying "I want to vote for someone with the same ideals." He's talking about how Trump doesn't represent any of his ideals.

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's why I have several conservative friends that I don't run to with every Donald Trump quote to insist that they agree with it. Yes, we debate Universal Health Care. We debate the role of police in society. We debate taxes. And those are debates on merit. But when one of them tells me they regret voting for Trump, I'm not going to throw it in their face and insist "You haven't changed!" The ability to make a mistake and both acknowledge and remedy it is a good characteristic and shouldn't be throw back into people's faces.

This sort of makes sense, but I'd say there's a big difference between your friends and career Republicans. The latter group had more reasons to see this coming and more power to prevent it. It's good that they've changed their minds now, but that shouldn't mean we can't criticize them for making this possible in the first place.
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Trump doesn't represent his ideals though. Trump made that super obvious in 2015 and 16. He called George W. Bush an awful president directly to Jeb's face. Said his policies were garbage.

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Xeybozn posted...

This sort of makes sense, but I'd say there's a big difference between your friends and career Republicans. The latter group had more reasons to see this coming and more power to prevent it.

The guy actively tried to prevent Trump by trying to convince local state politicians to get on the ballot in various states hoping they would take away enough votes in swing states to prevent him from being elected.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I gotta agree with Lasa, here.

"I'm not voting for Trump. I'm not voting against Trump, though, either, because I still want to vote for somebody with similar ideals" is such worthless bullshit it's not even worth discussing.

Did I miss somewhere that Stevens said he wasn't voting for Biden? I recently brought up Bolton doing a write-in because I thought the regime change joke was funny, but of course Bolton sucks.

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bringing up bolton's thing is worthy because it made me laugh for how weak a statement it is

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Did I miss somewhere that Stevens said he wasn't voting for Biden? I recently brought up Bolton doing a write-in because I thought the regime change joke was funny, but of course Bolton sucks.

Oh, sorry, Lasa lead me astray.

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It's probably why you should actually read it. The interviewer doesn't pull any punches and calls him out on everything. He dodges and deflects on some stuff, but also is surprisingly candid in other moments about admitting where he was wrong and what he had done is wrong.

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red sox 777 posted...

The Democrats are inviting Hillary to speak at their convention. Great news for Trump!

Where have you been. All the main speakers have been announced.

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Yeah I thought it was a very good interview and the guy was like 95% repentant and disgusted with how the GOP has turned out. Surprised people here are dismissing him so quickly when Republicans refusing to vote for Trump is usually a pipe dream. Isn't this exactly what we want?

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Trump is an especially bad symptom, not the disease.

When he goes away and Republicans are led by someone who understands the concept of shame, theyre gonna support the same awful shit except theyll be more subtle.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/18/coronavirus-stimulus-democrats-urge-pelosi-to-vote-on-unemployment.html

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Wow, I'm listening to Obama speak and am reminded of how good he is at speaking.

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I mean, it's nice that former Republicans are realizing they've been supporting truly heinous shit for, oh, just about my entire lifetime, but it would be even nicer if they had realized it in time to, you know, prevent that truly heinous shit from happening in the first place.

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I mean yes but less Trump votes = good

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KamikazePotato posted...

I mean yes but less Trump votes = good

It can be both a good thing and a thing they deserve zero praise for.

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https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1296282590979268610

they're still trying to make strawgate a thing

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Welp, he wasn't the former Rep that Kasich was talking about who endorsed Biden at the convention on Monday, but I'll give myself partial credit for predicting that it'd be Dent:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/opinions/biden-president-endorsement-dent/index.html

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Yeah but you can't trust Harvey Dent

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