Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 316: Goodyear in a Bad Year

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Corrik7 posted...

He said "repeal Trump's tax cuts". That wasnt just the rich, bud.

Dont the non-rich people tax cuts expire?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dont the non-rich people tax cuts expire?

In like 2025. But the point of doing it that way was to force the Democrats to the bargaining table to extend them permanently. Under budget reconciliation Republicans couldn't make all the tax cuts permanent, so they made the ones permanent that Democrats wouldn't agree to extend in the future.

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Biden's speech was boring as hell, but it was a clear appeal to good vs evil

It should've been much shorter

Also, imagine how much we could've cut taxes on the middle class if we didn't spend so much on the rich

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Corrik7 posted...

Joe Biden is running on raising taxes. Yikes

what's "yikes" about that?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

what's "yikes" about that?

Life in the US is too expensive as is, we need lower taxes so we can afford to have healthcare and pay for college.

I would support higher taxes for upper middle class people but I seriously doubt Biden wants to raise taxes for that group. Obama and HRC both promised that someone making 250k a year would not see their taxes go up and I doubt Biden would change that.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dont the non-rich people tax cuts expire?

If not renewed. Trump has promised to make them permanent. Biden has promised to repeal them.

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red sox 777 posted...

Life in the US is too expensive as is, we need lower taxes so we can afford to have healthcare and pay for college.

I would support higher taxes for upper middle class people but I seriously doubt Biden wants to raise taxes for that group. Obama and HRC both promised that someone making 250k a year would not see their taxes go up and I doubt Biden would change that.

He absolutely wants to get rid of the salt stuff which benefits the rich.

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https://twitter.com/Ella__Dorsey/status/1296651073797656582

Hey guys, if you thought things were leveling out, Earth has a different idea. This is in addition to the mass wildfires in California, where local officials are suggesting large scale evacuations.

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https://twitter.com/ackocher/status/1296794180258324481

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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1296807857896202247

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banananor posted...

Biden's speech was boring as hell, but it was a clear appeal to good vs evil

It should've been much shorter

Also, imagine how much we could've cut taxes on the middle class if we didn't spend so much on the rich

Until the Democrats are willing to start distributing gains to the working class, and I mean in a non-patronizing manner that acts as if working class people can't be trusted with actual money, no deal. No interest in taking from the rich to give to the middle class.

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And the Democrats' refusal to countenance a payroll tax cut is the one of the worst things they've done. They insist on having working class people continue to pay into a ponzi scheme, while the rich and upper middle class are largely exempt (since most of their income is above the cap). They are basically saying that poor and working class people can be trusted so little with money that they'd do better investing in a ponzi scheme than handling their money on their own. Even if that were true, and I doubt that would be true in a majority of cases, it's incredibly insulting and also bad policy as people are never going to learn to invest if you tell them they can't do it and take all their money so you can put it into a ponzi scheme.

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red sox 777 posted...

And the Democrats' refusal to countenance a payroll tax cut is the one of the worst things they've done. They insist on having working class people continue to pay into a ponzi scheme, while the rich and upper middle class are largely exempt (since most of their income is above the cap). They are basically saying that poor and working class people can be trusted so little with money that they'd do better investing in a ponzi scheme than handling their money on their own. Even if that were true, and I doubt that would be true in a majority of cases, it's incredibly insulting and also bad policy as people are never going to learn to invest if you tell them they can't do it and take all their money so you can put it into a ponzi scheme.

Its almost as if a payroll tax cut is absolutely useless for people who lost their jobs!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Its almost as if a payroll tax cut is absolutely useless for people who lost their jobs!

Most people didn't lose their jobs, and they need to be taken care of too. Plus, if the payroll tax had been abolished years ago those people who did lose their jobs would have savings now that they could use to stay afloat. The Democrats' responsibility for the payroll tax goes back 85 years. Blatant theft from the American People.

And sure, the Republican Party has been at times an accomplice. But the Democrats have definitely led the way on this, and now we finally have a President willing to take a stand.

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Incidentally, LOTM, if you are on the University of California payroll, I think you are exempt from payroll tax. You pay into the UC pension fund instead, which is a fantastic pension program. Your payout on retirement is many times what social security would be for the same amount of money paid in. That's the power of a pension fund actually investing its money instead of running a ponzi scheme.

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if you get married make sure your pension is part of your pre nup. Lemme tell you its so nice to have that after the divorce

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red sox 777 posted...

Most people didn't lose their jobs, and they need to be taken care of too. Plus, if the payroll tax had been abolished years ago those people who did lose their jobs would have savings now that they could use to stay afloat.

How much do you think payroll tax is?

Further, how capable do you think your average person is of being smart enough to actually put that towards investments or savings and not just buy more stuff because they have 6% more income?

"Oh sweet, I got $600"
*spends $600*

"Oh sweet, I got $636"
*spends $636*

"Oh no, I'm old and don't have savings and now I don't have any income because social security doesn't exist anymore"

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It's 7.6% from the employee and 7.6% from the employer. That's a total of 15.2%. 12.4% if you don't count the Medicare part. It's a much bigger percentage of take-home, after-tax income. For people living paycheck to paycheck, that is absolutely HUGE.

For a person who makes 50k a year, 12.4% a year is $6,200 a year. Over 10 years that's $62,000 if they just put the money in their mattress. If they bought treasury bonds steadily it would be maybe $75k now? If they bought SPY steadily it would be north of $120,000 I think. With 120k they could pay themselves $600 a week for 4 years.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

How much do you think payroll tax is?

Further, how capable do you think your average person is of being smart enough to actually put that towards investments or savings and not just buy more stuff because they have 6% more income?

"Oh sweet, I got $600"
*spends $600*

"Oh sweet, I got $636"
*spends $636*

"Oh no, I'm old and don't have savings and now I don't have any income because social security doesn't exist anymore"

Also, I will say this. In the US the government has told non-affluent people for 85 years that they can't save money, that they have no hope of succeeding in investing, that they should spend 100% of their paycheck immediately to "stimulate" the economy. Given this kind of messaging, it's not surprising that until this year we had a negative national savings rate. I want the government to send the same message, of encouraging savings and investment, to non-affluent people that affluent people teach their own children.

Also, the government can still run a state pension. Just run it the way every legitimate pension system is run, by investing money that's contributed.

There will of course, need to be a one-time payout to compensate people who have already paid into social security. As it was the country that started the scam in the first place, the country (the taxpayers through income tax) is the one that should pay for it. And you know what? Income tax is progressive. Richer people pay more.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/us/politics/aaron-coleman-kansas.html

JFC. A 19 year old successfully primaried a Dem incumbent in the Kansas House by 14 votes. It turns out that when he was in middle school he threatened to release a nude photo of a 13 year old unless she sent him more nudes (and did so when she refused), and urged another girl to kill herself (which she attempted).

Hopefully the incumbent can pull off his write-in campaign successfully.

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Is he past the statute of limitations? I feel like he could wind up going to jail. Also, great opportunity for the GOP if they run a candidate.

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what the fuck

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Also, LOTM, the incumbent must have been a total disaster if his district voted for this guy over him.

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Yeah everyone makes mistakes as kids, and i do believe he should be given a chance to redeem himself, but he shouldn't be given public office to do that

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also, kp, that's a really great comic

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https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1296938599418662917

The facists are trying really hard to justify their coup in Bolivia.

It's ridiculous that Pompeo (and presumably, Trump) are trying to enforce the Iran deal at the UN. President Trump clearly stated before that the US is not a party to that agreement, so we can't enforce it now.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/us/politics/aaron-coleman-kansas.html

JFC. A 19 year old successfully primaried a Dem incumbent in the Kansas House by 14 votes. It turns out that when he was in middle school he threatened to release a nude photo of a 13 year old unless she sent him more nudes (and did so when she refused), and urged another girl to kill herself (which she attempted).

Hopefully the incumbent can pull off his write-in campaign successfully.

Ah, it's for a state level position. Lower stakes, if the blue team loses the seat it's no big deal.

Maybe the incumbent can pull a Lieberman and get their name on the ballot under an invented third party

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banananor posted...

Ah, it's for a state level position. Lower stakes, if the blue team loses the seat it's no big deal.

Maybe the incumbent can pull a Lieberman and get their name on the ballot under an invented third party

They're not gonna lose the seat; no Republican is running (just the former incumbent pursuing a write-in campaign). This little douchebag is most likely gonna win.

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red sox 777 posted...

It's ridiculous that Pompeo (and presumably, Trump) are trying to enforce the Iran deal at the UN. President Trump clearly stated before that the US is not a party to that agreement, so we can't enforce it now.

hahahaha WHAT

is he seriously trying to do that

unbelievable

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Donald Trump once again lives in a reality I wish I could. He says the Democrats took "under god" out of the pledge of allegiance at the DNC.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1297132096448864258

In addition to being at War-on-Christmas levels of "who gives a shit," it's also completely made up!

https://twitter.com/zackstanton/status/1297137379942309888

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Trumpss supporters wont actually look into it though. Theyll just assume hes telling the truth even though the man spouts nothing but lies

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very cool for the president of the united states to say "not being a christian is unacceptable"

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1297132096448864258

In addition to being at War-on-Christmas levels of "who gives a shit," it's also completely made up!

https://twitter.com/zackstanton/status/1297137379942309888

I wish it was true though
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Of course its made up. But it'd be nice if true. Not all Americans believe in God. We're a secular nation, and shouldn't be shoving 'god' everywhere.

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Trump doesn't need to lie to win the evangelical vote. He's getting at least 80% there no matter what.

Dancedreamer posted...

Donald Trump once again lives in a reality I wish I could. He says the Democrats took "under god" out of the pledge of allegiance at the DNC.

It can be your reality. Keep a stream of Fox News, OANN, and Russia Today going at all times, then go to the polls every election in person and vote straight ticket Republican.

HeroicCrono posted...

It can be your reality. Keep a stream of Fox News, OANN, and Russia Today going at all times, then go to the polls every election in person and vote straight ticket Republican.

Why? The Democratic Party they describe sounds Awesome.

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imagine if an openly atheist person could become president in the US

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Dancedreamer posted...

Why? The Democratic Party they describe sounds Awesome.

Like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and objective reality, it only exists if you believe in it.

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HeroicCrono posted...

Trump doesn't need to lie to win the evangelical vote. He's getting at least 80% there no matter what.

And yet he constantly does. Lies about Bidens faith. Lies about the pledge. Lies about reading the bible.

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Yeah, not sure about his strategy there. I think Trump has just accepted the inherent subjectivity of reality to such a high level that it's hard for him to even imagine the thought processes of people who believe in objective reality. So, I guess Trump isn't really lying - with his worldview, it is impossible for him to lie because objective facts do not exist. But it seems he would have more success just staying quiet and counting on evangelicals to vote against the Democrats on their own.

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Dancedreamer posted...

We're a secular nation

lmao that's a good one

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We are (nominally) a secular nation (depending on the text you read)
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it's funny that the most surprising inclusion is Tiffany (even though yes she was part of RNC 2016 as well)

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The push continues! Over the last 2 days, literally every single ad I've seen has been an attack ad against Jon Ossof. And I mean Literally. Every. Single. One. I have seen each of these ads over 20 times each.

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Says a lot that a third of the RNC speaker list are Trumps

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you mean a half!

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