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Mr Lasastryke
09/10/20 12:18:14 PM
#252:


just looked up what xp was talking about and red sox never said "Come on guys, Republicans are too smart to make such an argument." i ctrl+f'd the word "smart" in that entire topic and he did say mueller was smart a few times, but he didn't say "republicans are too smart" to back up the claim that a republican didn't make an argument.

what actually happened was that red sox claimed that barr didn't make a prosecutorial judgment. after that, he defended barr making a prosecutorial judgment. this is the flip xp was talking about. red sox then responded by saying "I only learned that Barr had made such a determination during those 13 posts." so yeah, all in all, i don't think what red sox did there was that terrible...? basically he just made an incorrect claim about something he didn't know. yes, it's always dumb and wrong to do that, but i hardly think it's "see, THIS is the ultimate example of why this topic has such gigantic issues with red sox!"

as a sidenote, this actually took place last year, not in '17 or '18.

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xp1337
09/10/20 12:26:11 PM
#253:


Mr Lasastryke posted...


as a sidenote, this actually took place last year, not in '17 or '18.
bullshit. i don't believe you. >_>

As for my recollection of the discussion being imperfect (for the record, I never claimed that was some exact quote on red sox's part. I mentioned it as my recollection of the tone of his pre-article arguments. If that too is wrong then I apologize to red sox and the rest of you for my memory distorting events into a false account. The only actual quote I was confident enough to give as having occurred was my "The prosecution rests." one; everything else was my general recollection of the feel/tone), that's on me. But I certainly didn't call it "the ultimate example blah blah" I highlighted it as a moment that has stood out in my mind that I felt helped explain the situation.

Now obviously if my memory was totally wrong that undercuts that certainly but you are absolutely making out what I said to be way more than I explicitly intended it to be.

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HeroicCrono
09/10/20 12:28:23 PM
#254:


I don't remember this conversation but obviously I'm going to change my position if I learn of new facts. Also, my posts have never been intended to be neutral - we have lots of people arguing for the (center) left here, so I see no reason why I should do so. You'll notice I never ever have anything good to say about the center left, but it doesn't mean I disagree with 100% of their policies.
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Jakyl25
09/10/20 12:45:55 PM
#255:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304038348772855810?s=21

I have to admit, the normalization of Kim Jong-Un has been the weirdest side effect of this administration
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Mr Lasastryke
09/10/20 12:49:54 PM
#256:


xp1337 posted...
But I certainly didn't call it "the ultimate example blah blah" I highlighted it as a moment that has stood out in my mind that I felt helped explain the situation.

Now obviously if my memory was totally wrong that undercuts that certainly but you are absolutely making out what I said to be way more than I explicitly intended it to be.

true, you didn't say it was the ultimate example. but yeah, my point remains that your example (ultimate or otherwise) doesn't sufficiently explain to me why people in this topic have gigantic issues with red sox.

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xp1337
09/10/20 12:51:45 PM
#257:


That's fair, though like I said, this is where I get off this discussion. Perhaps for the best if my memory is this fucking terrible.

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HeroDelTiempo17
09/10/20 1:15:58 PM
#258:


Not news but a good read

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/the-next-reconstruction/615475/

It is impossible that any practical equality of rights can exist where a few thousand men monopolize the whole landed property, Stevens wrote in 1865. The whole fabric of Southern society must be changed, and never can it be done if this opportunity is lost. Without this, this government can never be, as it never has been, a true republic.

Even in his own party, Stevenss idea was viewed as extreme. Nineteenth-century Republicans believed in an ideology of free labor, in which the interests of labor and capital were the same, and all workers could elevate themselves into a life of plenty through diligence and entrepreneurship. By arming Black men with the ballot, most Republicans believed they had set the stage for a free-labor society. They did not see what the emancipated saw: a world of state-sanctioned and informal coercion in which simply elevating oneself through hard work was impossible.

So much has changed in 150 years!

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Corrik7
09/10/20 2:05:25 PM
#259:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/09/10/senate-coronavirus-economic-relief-bill/

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red sox 777
09/10/20 2:25:25 PM
#260:


Devin Nunes calling for Hillary Clinton to be prosecuted.

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FFDragon
09/10/20 2:26:44 PM
#261:


playing all the hits from 16
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LinkMarioSamus
09/10/20 2:26:46 PM
#262:


Trump's poor handling of the pandemic is in PLAIN SIGHT. He literally admitted to downplaying it.

No point in arguing probably.

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RaidenGarai
09/10/20 2:30:57 PM
#263:


At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump tried to blame covid on Hillary's emails.

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TheRock1525
09/10/20 4:05:01 PM
#264:


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-woodward-i-saved-his-ass-mbs-khashoggi-rage-2020-9?

Wonder how Republicans will trip over themselves to defend this.

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RaidenGarai
09/10/20 4:14:09 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-woodward-i-saved-his-ass-mbs-khashoggi-rage-2020-9?

Wonder how Republicans will trip over themselves to defend this.
Hillary's Emails! Benghazi!

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red sox 777
09/10/20 4:54:11 PM
#266:


TheRock1525 posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-woodward-i-saved-his-ass-mbs-khashoggi-rage-2020-9?

Wonder how Republicans will trip over themselves to defend this.

That says that Trump said that he doesn't believe MBS ordered the attack. So, why does he believe that? What intelligence does he have that the CIA does not? Is he getting information directly from Putin? Or did Trump just look at the same information and reach a different conclusion?

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red sox 777
09/10/20 5:03:39 PM
#267:


RaidenGarai posted...
Hillary's Emails! Benghazi!

Warning, the following is completely fictional:

It turns out that COVID-19 was developed by the Lybian government as a biological weapon. Ambassador Stevens found out that it existed, so the powers that be had him killed. Hillary was sound asleep and slept through the 600 calls that she got at 3 AM, so she didn't do anything. Then she tried to cover it up by deleting her emails.

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LordoftheMorons
09/10/20 5:38:20 PM
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red sox 777
09/10/20 5:40:46 PM
#269:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1304149798874804224?s=21

Okay, there's no excusing this. He said "write good" instead of "write well." If your child loses points for making the same mistake, they should argue that the President said it, so it must be correct.

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KamikazePotato
09/10/20 8:57:25 PM
#270:


https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1304197440174784513

Just what everyone was asking for

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Forceful_Dragon
09/10/20 9:06:52 PM
#271:


What if the "certain area" that needs to be increased is Budgetary Oversight?

I hate that type of argument because it doesn't account for any nuance. Like I know they just want the quote where Biden promises to "slash the ENTIRE military budget" just so they can call him a hypocrite next year when the budget as a whole goes down but some portion of it goes up, but that isn't how real life works.

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StealThisSheen
09/10/20 9:08:03 PM
#272:


At this point, we almost can't afford to reduce the budget with how much Trump has fucked our standing in the world.

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LordoftheMorons
09/10/20 9:11:43 PM
#273:


The presidency is a busy job

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1304150319639793665

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xp1337
09/10/20 9:13:44 PM
#274:


StealThisSheen posted...
At this point, we almost can't afford to reduce the budget with how much Trump has fucked our standing in the world.
don't worry, if biden wins the republicans will rediscover their concern for deficits and debt

Really need the Senate too or it's gonna suck.

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RaidenGarai
09/10/20 9:35:49 PM
#275:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-absentee-ballots-green-party-lawsuit/

Wisconsin Republicans once again showing why they're the worst

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Jakyl25
09/10/20 10:10:02 PM
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Corrik7
09/10/20 10:26:15 PM
#277:


I remember when Raiden acted like he was a Trump supporter for like 34 seconds. Lol.

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LordoftheMorons
09/10/20 10:26:56 PM
#278:


RaidenGarai posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-absentee-ballots-green-party-lawsuit/

Wisconsin Republicans once again showing why they're the worst
Looking forward to a hyperpartisan court declaring that votes from ballots sent before this decision are invalid

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RaidenGarai
09/10/20 10:31:45 PM
#279:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Looking forward to a hyperpartisan court declaring that votes from ballots sent before this decision are invalid
That wouldn't surprise me at all. They don't care about anything but trying to stack the deck so the Rs can keep winning. It backfired on them badly in April, and I hope it does the same thing again in November.

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RaidenGarai
09/10/20 10:36:56 PM
#280:


Corrik7 posted...
I remember when Raiden acted like he was a Trump supporter for like 34 seconds. Lol.
I'm a moderate, but Trump has given me no reason to do anything but hate him, and the spineless people in the Republican party have given me no reason to feel any different. I'll be voting straight Democrat if my absentee ballot that I requested a month ago ever gets here, since the Wisconsin Republicans are desperately trying to fuck with the votes again.

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Corrik7
09/10/20 10:37:20 PM
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Some of you should ask why the courts are deciding this issue. The Green Party filed this lawsuit not the Republican Party.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/20/election-commission-deadlocks-whether-let-green-party-ballot/3404370001/

The Democratic Party is trying to keep the Green Party candidate out because they moved during the process and provided their new address later on and their old address earlier. Democrats say this should keep the candidate off the ballot.

Because

"Unspoken at last month's commission meeting was how the Green Party could affect the presidential election. Democrats fear the liberal party could take votes away from Democratic nominee Joe Biden and Republicans hope such a situation will help GOP President Donald Trump. "

This again seems like an issue where Democrats tried to do something right before deadlines then cried foul on Republicans because of the deadlines instead of the actual issue.

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red sox 777
09/10/20 10:50:04 PM
#282:


The Democrats are being ridiculous. In what world can you justify keeping a candidate or party off the ballot because they changed their address or filed 14 seconds late? Proves they don't care about democracy.

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09/10/20 10:55:54 PM
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Corrik7
09/10/20 11:05:11 PM
#284:


The reason I find it particularly easy to vote for Biden is because he seems basically to be a conservative that can pay lip service to the extreme left, with no actual plan to do anything he says to them.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/biden-says-us-must-maintain-small-force-in-middle-east-has-no-plans-for-major-defense-cuts-1.644631

He is a very safe candidate for someone like me.

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Jakyl25
09/10/20 11:09:29 PM
#285:


The reason I find it particularly easy to vote for Biden is because hes not Donald Trump
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Corrik7
09/10/20 11:11:48 PM
#286:


Jakyl25 posted...
The reason I find it particularly easy to vote for Biden is because hes not Donald Trump
Would you vote for Rudy Giuliani because he is not Donald Trump?

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Forceful_Dragon
09/10/20 11:13:23 PM
#287:


Are they the only options? I'd be very curious to know how Rudy got the Democratic nom

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Jakyl25
09/10/20 11:14:04 PM
#288:


Corrik7 posted...

Would you vote for Rudy Giuliani because he is not Donald Trump?


If he was running AGAINST Trump? Maybe!
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red sox 777
09/10/20 11:14:37 PM
#289:


I'd vote for Trump over most Republicans. I'll vote for a fair number of Democrats over most Republicans.

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Grimlyn
09/10/20 11:15:09 PM
#290:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Are they the only options? I'd be very curious to know how Rudy got the Democratic nom
... do i want to know

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Jakyl25
09/10/20 11:16:22 PM
#291:


I should say that there are some people I would not support over Trump

But if they were the only other option I would probably not vote

Like if it was Rudy vs Trump I would probably just abstain
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Forceful_Dragon
09/10/20 11:16:27 PM
#292:


XD I didn't even consider how that post would come across with no context.

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PerfectChaosZ
09/10/20 11:57:42 PM
#293:


Corrik7 posted...
The reason I find it particularly easy to vote for Biden is because he seems basically to be a conservative that can pay lip service to the extreme left, with no actual plan to do anything he says to them.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/biden-says-us-must-maintain-small-force-in-middle-east-has-no-plans-for-major-defense-cuts-1.644631

He is a very safe candidate for someone like me.

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Dancedreamer
09/11/20 12:00:32 AM
#294:


Jakyl25 posted...
The reason I find it particularly easy to vote for Biden is because hes not Donald Trump

I don't find it easy to vote for Biden at all. But I will stomach it because Trump is the alternative. There's not a single Republican I could stomach at this point. Not one would make me think "Maybe they won't be terrible?" Some of them are better than Trump, marginally. But only on the surface. They're all just as dirty and crooked as he is.

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09/11/20 12:05:56 AM
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LordoftheMorons
09/11/20 1:40:47 AM
#296:


red sox 777 posted...
The Democrats are being ridiculous. In what world can you justify keeping a candidate or party off the ballot because they changed their address or filed 14 seconds late? Proves they don't care about democracy.
I don't think a change of address should keep someone off the ballot (unless they're no longer in the locality they're running to represent or something), but late is late. There's a clear, unambiguous cutoff and Kanye missed it.

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red sox 777
09/11/20 1:57:16 AM
#297:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I don't think a change of address should keep someone off the ballot (unless they're no longer in the locality they're running to represent or something), but late is late. There's a clear, unambiguous cutoff and Kanye missed it.

So, I take it you think the US Supreme Court got it right when they stopped the vote recount in Florida in 2000 because there was no time to finish it properly and not miss the deadline to certify results? Alternatively, if Biden missed the filing deadline in California by 14 seconds then he shouldn't get to be on the ballot and all 55 of its electoral votes should go to Trump?

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LordoftheMorons
09/11/20 1:59:20 AM
#298:


red sox 777 posted...
So, I take it you think the US Supreme Court got it right when they stopped the vote recount in Florida because there was no time to finish it properly and not miss the deadline to certify results? Alternatively, if Biden missed the filing deadline in California by 14 seconds then he shouldn't get to be on the ballot and all 55 of its electoral votes should go to Trump?
No, the people who failed to count ballots quickly enough in Florida were not the voters (who are the ones who were disenfranchised). The voters did everything correctly.

Kanye (and the Republican operatives boosting him) were the ones who fucked up here.

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red sox 777
09/11/20 2:03:42 AM
#299:


LordoftheMorons posted...
No, the people who failed to count ballots quickly enough in Florida were not the voters (who are the ones who were disenfranchised). The voters did everything correctly.

Kanye (and the Republican operatives boosting him) were the ones who fucked up here.

But what about Kanye's voters? It's okay for them to be disenfranchised?

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Hbthebattle
09/11/20 2:07:07 AM
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Are we really going to pretend people want to vote for Kanye West not as a joke
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Forceful_Dragon
09/11/20 2:07:19 AM
#301:


red sox 777 posted...
But what about Kanye's voters? It's okay for them to be disenfranchised?

Those voters are still allowed to vote for whoever they want. His name just wont appear on the ballot. They haven't been remotely disenfranchised.

Correctly filling paperwork to literally run for president of the United States is important. It's not like turning in your homework a day late in English class.

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