Current Events > Why doesn't our society give women the same chances as men to succeed?

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Is it because the penis does bad things to peoples?

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Because the idea is to have different roles filled out by different types of people. If women do what men traditionally did, then there are less people to do what women traditionally do, unless the men start picking up the slack there.

Structural functionalism is kind of ugly when you look at it from a realist perspective by taking into account the fact the some roles, even thought they might be necessary, are just undesirable or a raw deal, which is just to say there will always be losers.

Actually I think my post is a bit misleading. It really depends on what you mean by a 'chance to succeed'.
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Antiquated, bigoted beliefs and the fears of those who have them. Although modern women, usually in the lower middle class, aren't held back as much and can even be more successful than men if they go into certain professions and become successful.

What exacly aren't we giving women to succeed?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

What exacly aren't we giving women to succeed?

My sister often complains she never got enough chances to develop interests and hobbies.

That might be what this is about, no idea

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Women should be given way more chances to suck seed!

MedeaLysistrata posted...

My sister often complains she never got enough chances to develop interests and hobbies.

That might be what this is about, no idea

Lol, so your sister blames society for not being interested in anything?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Lol, so your sister blames society for not being interested in anything?

She just complains about it a lot. Maybe there is some logic that I am missing and her point is valid.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

What exacly aren't we giving women to succeed?

respec woman

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Solid Snake07 posted...

What exacly aren't we giving women to succeed?

stigma against women cant be funny
cant be angry
need to smile

most women ceos are given that position to failing companys that need reworked management

most women dont even know who they are until its too late since they were too busy being abused mentally and physically by the men they trusted the most

how do you not see this?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

She just complains about it a lot. Maybe there is some logic that I am missing and her point is valid.

No, your sister never found anything she's super passionate about to delve her life into. It extremely common across both sexes. Blaming it on her genetalia is just a lazy bullshit excuse

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FelineCyborg posted...

stigma against women cant be funny
cant be angry
need to smile

most women ceos are given that position to failing companys that need reworked management

most women dont even know who they are until its too late since they were too busy being abused mentally and physically by the men they trusted the most

how do you not see this?

Wah

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No, your sister never found anything she's super passionate about to delve her life into. It extremely common across both sexes. Blaming it on her genetalia is just a lazy bullshit excuse

Ok, it might be an individual issue too

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Wah

what a dismissive manly retort. go jack off and go to bed.

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FelineCyborg posted...

what a dismissive manly retort. go jack off and go to bed.

Give the man a chance!

f3ngui posted...

Give the man a chance!

i did. he shot his wad on the first word and said "wah"

disapointing. feh.

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Patriarchy, antiquated ideas of gender roles, insecurity, and entitlement.

FelineCyborg posted...

what a dismissive manly retort. go jack off and go to bed.

What a misandrist dismissal. Go flip your bean and cry about it

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women dont need to do that, they arent slaves to sexual urges and excuses.

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FelineCyborg posted...

women dont need to do that, they arent slaves to sexual urges and excuses.

How dare you pigeonhole all women and dictate what they do or don't need.

Shame on you

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Solid Snake07 posted...

How dare you pigeonhole all women and dictate what they do or don't need.

Shame on you

this is what having a lack of personal female role models does to somebody.

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Men took power by force, and inherited it through the generations. Being men, they have more faith in men's ability to get jobs done than women's. Additionally, the possibility of pregnancy is considered a special liability for women, from a work perspective. And lasty, men are typically more assertive than women, and will often keep pressing for opportunities in situations where women are more prone to ease up (this is documented, men pursue promotions and raises significantly more often than women); this is potentially because a man's wealth and status is far more essential to his desirability than a woman's is to her's.

I'm not entirely sure what can be done about this. Even if men's bigotry and belittlement of women is relaxed, the other problems still remain.
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FelineCyborg posted...

this is what having a lack of personal female role models does to somebody.

Lol, I grew up in a single mother household with my sister and pretty clearly have a much higher opinion of what women can accomplish without it being meekly handed to them like a meaningless participation trophy

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No, your sister never found anything she's super passionate about to delve her life into. It extremely common across both sexes. Blaming it on her genetalia is just a lazy bullshit excuse

The answer is in the middle. Personally, I don't see hobbies as a social activity, I will do them regardless of whether anyone likes me. (they don't) If she looked at them that way, it's true that no social dynamics could keep her out of the game.

But she probably does see hobbies as a social activity. And women are in fact often gatekept from hobbyist communuties that are predominately male; paranoid men often purity test a woman's passion for and knowledge about the hobby in order to determine if she's a "real fan" or if she's just looking for male attention. And then you have the desperate men who swarm the woman with romantic propositions, even though she's just trying to focus on the hobby. It can be offputting.
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Graycap posted...

The answer is in the middle. Personally, I don't see hobbies as a social activity, I will do them regardless of whether anyone likes me. (they don't) If she looked at them that way, it's true that no social dynamics could keep her out of the game.

But she probably does see hobbies as a social activity. And women are in fact often gatekept from hobbyist communuties that are predominately male; paranoid men often purity test a woman's passion for and knowledge about the hobby in order to determine if she's a "real fan" or if she's just looking for male attention. And then you have the desperate men who swarm the woman with romantic propositions, even though she's just trying to focus on the hobby. It can be offputting.

Men can feel excluded from hobbies as well for reasons as simple as they aren't in the right social circle.

None of that really matters. Live your life and pursue things you want to. Everyone faces unique challenges. Crying that there are barriers is neither here nor there. We're all out here eating a shit sandwich. If you want something then go for it.

If you try and fail I can have some sympathy for you. I don't have any sympathy for people who make excuses to not even try.

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What specific opportunities are they missing out on?

Perhaps you are expecting the outcomes to be the same for all people.

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Penis evil

Bad penis

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Smackems posted...

Penis evil

Bad penis

*slaps penis*

f3ngui posted...

*slaps penis*

Yeah.. Who's been a bad penis

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Yo, Im gonna be honest. And Im willing to be ignorant or wrong.

I dont think women are at a disadvantage in the current climate in countries like the US.

In industries like entertainment or STEM, Id say for sure. But I dunno if they are necessarily excluded from opportunities across the board.

I think racial exclusions are way more prominent than gender ones.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No, your sister never found anything she's super passionate about to delve her life into. It extremely common across both sexes. Blaming it on her genetalia is just a lazy bullshit excuse

Does she point to her own crotch and yells at it to do better?

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Everyone has a chance to succeed

Hell, women make the world go round

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Generally its because only woman can have the babies. To which motherhood, and careers are simply not compatible. And what you end up with are numerous women who either have to choose between persuring/caring for family, or their careers.

The issue with the former is that women only have a very short window in their life now in modern day to find a optimal partner with and start a family.

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Where to begin?

-Women face intense social pressure from the beginning to be attractive, and, perversely, the standard for what is considered to be attractive(thin, busty, fit, blonde/brunette, long-haired, hairless aside from the head) is impossible for most of them to achieve. They are marketed an endless array of products(from razors, waxing, make-up, plastic surgery, diets, etc.) that promise to "correct" their body's "deficiencies", leading to consumption of lots of otherwise useless garbage and depressing their self-esteem. Women must struggle a lot to accept themselves.

-Women are expected to maintain their own homes and be the primary caregivers to their children, regardless of what they do or what their husband does(the dynamic in lesbian couples is different and hopefully better). Men; meanwhile, are conditioned to believe that they should be the primary breadwinner, and that housework is women's work, and failing to be the primary breadwinner and/or doing housework makes them less of a man. This typically leads to women doing most of the housework and child-rearing even if they're working as much or more than a male partner, which is exhausting, to say the least, and gives them less time and energy for rubbing elbows with higher-ups(and leads those same higher-ups to perceive them as being less invested in "the company"). And, of course, biology mandates pregnancy is their burden to bear, and it is quite a heavy burden for which they receive minimal assistance in the U.S. at great cost(financial and otherwise).

-Women are pushed towards so-called "caring" professions: teaching, nursing, social work, etc. that pay less and are less respected in part because they are perceived as "women's work". This can change: programming used to be "women's work", but it came to be male-dominated in part because it came to be seen as important and lucrative.

-Men are generally rewarded by society for aggression, ambition, and self-promotion. Women with the same qualities are often viewed as unfeminine, pushy, bossy, or grasping.

-The upper echelons of society and basically everything within it are still nearly completely male-dominated. Intentionally and not, they tend to favor men, for a variety of reasons that are BS("culture fit" is a great one!)

That's incomplete and doesn't even begin to wrestle with race or intersectionality.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

Where to begin?

-Women face intense social pressure from the beginning to be attractive, and, perversely, the standard for what is considered to be attractive(thin, busty, fit, blonde/brunette, long-haired, hairless aside from the head) is impossible for most of them to achieve. They are marketed an endless array of products(from razors, waxing, make-up, plastic surgery, diets, etc.) that promise to "correct" their body's "deficiencies", leading to consumption of lots of otherwise useless garbage and depressing their self-esteem. Women must struggle a lot to accept themselves.

-Women are expected to maintain their own homes and be the primary caregivers to their children, regardless of what they do or what their husband does(the dynamic in lesbian couples is different and hopefully better). Men; meanwhile, are conditioned to believe that they should be the primary breadwinner, and that housework is women's work, and failing to be the primary breadwinner and/or doing housework makes them less of a man. This typically leads to women doing most of the housework and child-rearing even if they're working as much or more than a male partner, which is exhausting, to say the least, and gives them less time and energy for rubbing elbows with higher-ups(and leads those same higher-ups to perceive them as being less invested in "the company"). And, of course, biology mandates pregnancy is their burden to bear, and it is quite a heavy burden for which they receive minimal assistance in the U.S. at great cost(financial and otherwise).

-Women are pushed towards so-called "caring" professions: teaching, nursing, social work, etc. that pay less and are less respected in part because they are perceived as "women's work". This can change: programming used to be "women's work", but it came to be male-dominated in part because it came to be seen as important and lucrative.

-Men are generally rewarded by society for aggression, ambition, and self-promotion. Women with the same qualities are often viewed as unfeminine, pushy, bossy, or grasping.

-The upper echelons of society and basically everything within it are still nearly completely male-dominated. Intentionally and not, they tend to favor men, for a variety of reasons that are BS("culture fit" is a great one!)

That's incomplete and doesn't even begin to wrestle with race or intersectionality.

no, no, you're doing it wrong. you're supposed to say everyone has the same shot if they try hard enough, and the millions of women who are saying this is not the case are just making excuses.

men think corporate bobs and vagine hired as affirmative action are only good as middle management governesses at best

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ledbowman posted...

men think corporate bobs and vagine hired as affirmative action are only good as middle management governesses at best

Its why Hilary Clinton was blocked from becoming president. America wasnt ready for a female president.

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This topic is bursting at the seams with anecdotal evidence and ax grinding. I'd be interested to read some recent studies to see how much we've closed the gap and how much further we have to go.

lol @ you

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It's not the 90s and early 2000s anymore

Women are doing better in primary education, Secondary education, Social relationships, Financially, With home ownership, in all areas of mental health

And are constantly bombarded with female empowering messages in society

The only area where men have it better is maybe when we're talking about the top 5% of each group

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