Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Cloud/Vivi/Liquid Snake/Zeratul/Maria v Batman/Kiryu/Leon/Mega Man/Rika

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Cloud Strife, Vivi Ornitier, Liquid Snake, Zeratul and Lady Maria have challenged Kazuma Kiryu, Leon Kennedy, Mega Man, Rika Furude and Batman to a fight! Location of the fight: hadow Moses Island - The bombed out, ruined site of Liquid's past ambitions, as seen in Metal Gear Solid 4. All enemies have been cleared out, and REX's husk is not present. Attackers will begin at the snowfield, while defenders will begin at REX's resting place. Which side will win?

Guidelines

-The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
-The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan.
-Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion.
-No mercenary can ever start in a location where they would die instantly, destroy the arena merely by existing in it, or end up ringed out of the terrain before abilities. If there's no room within a terrain to fit them, the terrain will stretch out until there's at least one yard of available, moving, safe space. Attacks may not damage the terrain enough to cause automatic deaths or ring-outs, save with a concerted effort.
-There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

Rules for Voting

-Bold your votes.
-You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios.
-Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case.
-If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.
-This match will end in 24 hours.

Rika Furude is as she appears throughout Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. She has no equipment other than her school uniform and a mop, and is pretty much exactly as terrible at fighting as you would expect a ten year old girl to be. When Rika dies in a match, she will go back in time, and though she will retain her memories, no other mercenaries will under any circumstances. However, this power is limited: Rika will first restart the match entirely, then thirty seconds into the second loop, then a minute after that into the third (in other words, 90 seconds into the match), and so on. If the time Rika would rewind to is after her death, then she will be unable to go back and the match will proceed as normal. The rest of Rika's team will not be aware of any of this.

Leon Kennedy is as he appears in the Resident Evil series, including canonical supplementary media. He comes into battle with his two Wing Shooter pistols, his knife, a Lightning Hawk magnum, a handful of grenades and the Chicago Typewriter, all fully upgraded. He has been put into a Void Prison by Zeratul for the first 15 seconds of battle, rendering him immune to all damage and unable to act.

Kazuma Kiryu is as he appears in the Yakuza series, at the peak of his fighting prowess. He comes into battle equipped with three bottles of Staminan Royale, the Ama-no-Murakumo blade, Extremely Sturdy Brass Knuckles, a 9mm handgun with unlimited ammo, the Transcendent Body Armor and a motorcycle. He may use any of his fighting styles, Heat Actions and techniques as he sees fit, and starts the battle with full Heat, which will not drain unless used. He has completely forgotten his own past and become convinced that he is actually Jim Raynor from the Starcraft series. He will try to act and fight in battle as Raynor would, coloured through the lens of his own natural personality. If he lacks the capability to fight as Raynor at all (e.g. a gunman lacking the capacity to cast magic like a wizard would) he will gain comparable techniques to his object of idolization, though how powerful and skilful these techniques will be past a basic level is up to voter interpretation and he will have access to none of Raynor's equipment.

Mega Man is as he appears across the Mega Man series. He has access to his Mega Buster, his Magnet Beam, his dog Rush (and various Rush modes), the Double Gear system and all his weapons from the mainline Mega Man series, though Gravity Hold and Centaur Flash will share an energy pool and Flash Stopper will only have its lore effects and not stop time in any way. He also has access to his moveset from the Marvel vs Capcom series, hyper combos included, as well as a variety of weapons based on his defeated foes, allowing him to use Raiden's Murasama Blade and King K. Rool's Crownarang. If Mega Man's entire team is defeated, he will automatically revive at full health after his last teammate has fallen, including himself. His body will have vanished, and he will launch an automatic sneak attack on whatever remains of the enemy team the moment that they would have normally won. He will only have five minutes left to live, at which point he will mysteriously keel over, dead and unable to be revived in any way, shape or form. he and his team will be aware of their impending demise, however, and factor it into their battle plans.

Batman is as he appears in the Arkham game series, at the peak of his abilities. He has full access to all of his gadgets and upgrades and may call upon the fully upgraded Batmobile for assistance, but none of his other assets are available. Feats from comics, even those connected to the Arkham series, are not valid. He is aware he is incapable of permanently killing anyone in this fight. He may teleport to any point of the terrain at will. However, quantum teleportation is fussy, so it will only work if no sentient being is perceiving him when he attempts to do it.

~VS~

Liquid Snake is as he appears in Metal Gear Solid, piloting Metal Gear REX from the nearest convenient location to his team's starting point. He may not leave the vehicle, and is considered defeated if it is destroyed.

Cloud Strife is as he appears in Final Fantasy 7 Remake and continuations, with full access to all his moves and Limit Breaks seen therein. He has access to all elemental magic materia, Deadly Dodge, Parry, Steadfast Block, Healing, Barrier, Subversion, Time, Elemental (linked to Lightning), Assess, Refocus and Bahamut, all fully mastered.

Zeratul is as he appears in the Starcraft series and Heroes of the Storm with all of his skills except Void Prison. During combat, his cloaking works as it does in HotS, invisible until either he attacks or is damaged, at which point it takes a few seconds of non-action to reactivate.

Vivi Ornitier is as he appears in Final Fantasy 9, equipped with his ultimate endgame equipment and his full complement of passive abilities, minus all auto abilities except for Auto-Reflect (which he may dismiss at will but not reapply). He has access to all of his spells save Death, may apply Element Null as he sees fit and may perform Sword Magic combos with other allies as appropriate. Doomsday will not necessarily hit all enemies nor allies automatically.

Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower is as she appears in her fight in Bloodborne: The Old Hunters. She may use any attacks from any of her boss stages as she sees fit.

It's another Shadow Moses Island match. Huge terrain with multiple elevators that take minutes to ride up. Mega Man is long dead before the teams meet up.

So that leaves a 5 v 4, really a 5 v 3 since Rika is useless in a fight. Batman has his warp, but going 1 v 5 (really a 1 v 6 with Bahamut's help) against my team is a pretty bad idea.

The other neat thing about this terrain is that the only way up into the room that my team starts in is a slow elevator that gradually raises up to the floor of the room. It's a great place to get hit by REX's weaponry as well as Vivi and Cloud's spells. And before you ask "Why don't they leave to try to meet up with the other team?", REX is TOO BIG to get through the door on the lower level, so might as well camp the starting room than run around down a teammate.

Even if someone survives the murder hole at the start, the next thing they have to deal with is Zeratul. He's invisible, so he can get the jump on someone when the platform gets to the top. Rika isn't surviving the murder hole, so she's totally unaware of his existance no matter how many loops she has. The elevator is the only way up, so they can spend time looking for another way, but it doesn't exist.

If that wasn't enough, REX is a toughie to take down. Snake had to fire multiple rockets at its radome (that circle thing on the left shoulder) to down REX's sensors so Liquid had to open the cockpit and make himself vulnerable. The rest of REX's body was completely resistant to all of Snake's weaponry. Jiryu and Leon have worse weaponry here than Snake did. Batman's best gadget here is probably the remote hacking device, but that requires him to sit there and fiddle with it for a bit, leaving him open. The Batmobile doesn't help, since there's no way Batman would be able to get that thing in here. Without the Batmobile, the other team just doesn't have the firepower to down REX.

TL;DR: Mega Man is dead, we have the numbers advantage, there's only one way in to our starting room that's easy to camp, Zeratul is killing one person before they realize he's there, and the other team just doesn't have the firepower to take out REX.

Mewtwo59 posted...

It's another Shadow Moses Island match. Huge terrain with multiple elevators that take minutes to ride up. Mega Man is long dead before the teams meet up.

So that leaves a 5 v 4, really a 5 v 3 since Rika is useless in a fight. Batman has his warp, but going 1 v 5 (really a 1 v 6 with Bahamut's help) against my team is a pretty bad idea. Additionally, since Liquid is getting info from REX's sensors, warping into my team's starting room won't work. He's better off sticking with Jim Kiryu and Leon.

The other neat thing about this terrain is that the only way up into the room that my team starts in is a slow elevator that gradually raises up to the floor of the room. It's a great place to get hit by REX's weaponry as well as Vivi and Cloud's spells. And before you ask "Why don't they leave to try to meet up with the other team?", REX is TOO BIG to get through the door on the lower level, so might as well camp the starting room than run around down a teammate.

Even if someone survives the murder hole at the start, the next thing they have to deal with is Zeratul. He's invisible, so he can get the jump on someone when the platform gets to the top. Rika isn't surviving the murder hole, so she's totally unaware of his existance no matter how many loops she has. The elevator is the only way up, so they can spend time looking for another way, but it doesn't exist.

If that wasn't enough, REX is a toughie to take down. Snake had to fire multiple rockets at its radome (that circle thing on the left shoulder) to down REX's sensors so Liquid had to open the cockpit and make himself vulnerable. The rest of REX's body was completely resistant to all of Snake's weaponry. Jiryu and Leon have worse weaponry here than Snake did. Batman's best gadget here is probably the remote hacking device, but that requires him to sit there and fiddle with it for a bit, leaving him open. The Batmobile doesn't help, since there's no way Batman would be able to get that thing in here. Without the Batmobile, the other team just doesn't have the firepower to down REX.

TL;DR: Mega Man is dead, we have the numbers advantage, there's only one way in to our starting room that's easy to camp, Zeratul is killing one person before they realize he's there, and the other team just doesn't have the firepower to take out REX.

Bold text

So Mega Man can launch this incredible ambush and batman can teleport to support it since everyone factors the time to live into their plans?

On Shadow Moses, king of the stealth mission terrains?

Fuck me this is spicy.

Eddv posted...

So Mega Man can launch this incredible ambush and batman can teleport to support it since everyone factors the time to live into their plans?

On Shadow Moses, king of the stealth mission terrains?

Fuck me this is spicy.

Mega Man doesn't get his ambush off if his team lives longer than 5 minutes. Which is going to happen since they won't even meet before 5 minutes.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Mega Man doesn't get his ambush off if his team lives longer than 5 minutes. Which is going to happen since they won't even meet before 5 minutes.

Well yeah hes dyung in 5 minutes and then Kreditsing 2 minutes later once the enemy team believes he has died

A clash of kings? Nah this is a clash of bold text.

Eddv posted...

A clash of kings? Nah this is a clash of bold text.

It's true, we only get a clash of kings when you and JC fight each other next week

<3

Bold text is king

Mega man will revive is valid
But the revival null is just as valid as the revive. 5 minutes is 5 minutes. Mega man isn't getting back up.

Cloud/zeratul have what it takes to wombs combo batman even if batman can probably get vivi pretty easy

team cloud

Bahamut solos


Hey I finally get to say it

Hm. I feel like Rika's getting undersold here. She's useless in a fight, sure, but giving Batman and Leon intel? And Kazuma Raynor? Given Batman can teleport? I can't vote on this yet.

I don't think this match is that easy, fwiw

It's definitely an uphill climb for Team Batman though

Opening thoughts:

-Good lord this terrain is horrendous to fight teleporting Batman in.
-Good lord, Rock is dead and not coming back. Sad!
-Zeratul is vital because his telepathy counters Batman's teleportation. If he dies Batman will run absolutely rampant here. Whether he dies or doesn't is a big, big question.
-Rika having a ton of extra lives helps a lot here. Batman will gain increasingly more info as this match loops again and again, which greatly increases his chances of pulling off a miracle.
-Kiryu being turned into Jim is basically all upside. Jim is even better a shot than Kiryu is, and is also a good melee combatant, as he beat a power armored Tychus Findlay unarmed and unarmored. Most importantly, Jim knows Zeratul very well, and knows what he can do. This is going to pay off SUPER big time on loop 2 and onwards, because as I said, Zeratul is what stops Batman from going super ham here.
-Leon and Jimryu aren't enough to beat Cloud together, but they will keep him fairly busy. If Batman can help them somehow they might be able to seal the deal.
-Batmobile Batman probably beats REX IF Zeratul is taken care of and Cloud can be handled. The Arkham Batmobile fucks, don't mess with it. It can even operate independently from Batman via AI, making it an extra combatant.

Difficult match, all told. Need to think about it quite a bit.

If Leon and Jiryu are fighting Cloud, then that leaves REX, Zeratul, Vivi, and Lady Maria to deal with Batman. He's not beating them 1 v 4.

Mewtwo59 posted...

If Leon and Jiryu are fighting Cloud, then that leaves REX, Zeratul, Vivi, and Lady Maria to deal with Batman. He's not beating them 1 v 4.

Agreed. Batman needs to fight super unfair to make this work. Which is his wheelhouse, and Rika helps work out ambush plans that might work, but it's still a lot of work.

Rika isn't surviving too long into the actual fight. I don't know how much information she can give when she only has a few seconds of insight into the battle.

Rika is so getting shanked lol

That last post was sent early.

Bold above says Mega Man "will launch an automatic sneak attack." According to the rules document for this game, text in bold happens no matter what, even if it doesn't make sense.

No matter what, Mega Man will make that sneak attack.

More to come.

question about rika's ability

if she dies last does the match just end

I mean... I think the only one who would go "kill on sight" at a little girl being there would be Liquid? Maybe Maria.

Yes, Mega Man can make a sneak attack. But since the same bold says that he's unable to be revived in any way, shape or form, it'll be his corpse making that sneak attack. Not going to accomplish much when he's dead.

Chaeix posted...

question about rika's ability

if she dies last does the match just end

No. Match doesn't end until she's no longer able to rewind.

honestly the sneak attack doesn't even matter that much imo because mega man just gets bodied. maybe he takes out vivi but cloud just heals any damage off anyone else

Chaeix posted...

question about rika's ability

if she dies last does the match just end

Only if her death would kick her past looping again. The match can't end until Rika is looped out.

trdl23 posted...

I mean... I think the only one who would go "kill on sight" at a little girl being there would be Liquid? Maybe Maria.

I mean, Liquid can kill her faster than anyone thanks to his weaponry.

man rika is kinda fun but honestly is like a dumpster fire of a merc for making me want to think about a match

The mental image of Mega Man's corpse disappearing and then poofing behind the enemy as it just ragdolls back to earth is a top tier Mercs situation.

It doesn't rag doll. He attacks. Automatically. It's in bold.

Mewtwo59 posted...

I mean, Liquid can kill her faster than anyone thanks to his weaponry.

Like this is what she'd be getting shot with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_mm_caliber#/media/File:30mmvs556nato.jpg

MajinZidane posted...

It doesn't rag doll. He attacks. Automatically. It's in bold.

It's also in bold that he can't revive in any way, shape or form. Why does that bold count but the other bold doesn't?

Mewtwo59 posted...

It's also in bold that he can't revive in any way, shape or form. Why does that bold count but the other bold doesn't?

his corpse does the attacking. he simply counts as skull man for the attack.

"He will only have five minutes left to live, at which point he will mysteriously keel over, dead and unable to be revived in any way, shape or form. he and his team will be aware of their impending demise, however, and factor it into their battle plans."

Anyway, all of that said, it might not even be relevant. Mega Man's impending demise is known to his entire team. Batman can use this information to his advantage, especially if Rock communicates his automatic sneak attack and revival.

Batman has his bat mobile, which is very fast. If he wants to make this fight happen with Mega Man, he can. Mega Man is also totally the type of guy to make sacrifice play for his team, knowing he's going to die, and wanting to make a coordinated sneak attack. He may even be able to do so with extra information possibly from Rika or possibly from teleporting, scouting Batman.

Mega Man is far from useless in this fight with access to Kredits.

More to come.

TL;DR- ability specifically says battle plans. Batman is good at battle plans.

What is THIS batman capable of.

He is getting a single well coordinated ambush in but theres a lot of BEEF here. Not sure what they can pull off here

For mewtwo: what extrasensory abils do you have that would make "Batman making a plan by teleporting around to scout and plan an ambush" not work.

Mewtwo59 posted...

It's also in bold that he can't revive in any way, shape or form. Why does that bold count but the other bold doesn't?

Hey man I dont write the rules.

Unlike a mercenarys Writeup, which merely provides a general outline of a mercenarys capabilities and does not explicitly make clear what they will do in battle, abilities impose specific, concrete effects upon the days battle. Abilities are, by and large, not up for debate. For example, if an ability states an opponent will be frozen solid for the first 30 seconds of the match, then that effect is sacrosanct even if the targeted teams leader had a mercenary with a flamethrower, they could not argue that the ice could be melted ahead of schedule, as the effects is an ironclad rule imposed upon the match. Assume Mercenaries magic is responsible for it and roll with it instead

its magic. Ironclad. Not up for debate.

So you're saying the Batmobile is going to drive through ruins of a military base in under 5 minutes? The Batmobile is good, but there just isn't the clearance here for the Batmobile to do that.

Eddv posted...

For mewtwo: what extrasensory abils do you have that would make "Batman making a plan by teleporting around to scout and plan an ambush" not work.

Zeratul has telepathy. He can sense if Batman showed up.

MajinZidane posted...

Hey man I dont write the rules.

Unlike a mercenarys Writeup, which merely provides a general outline of a mercenarys capabilities and does not explicitly make clear what they will do in battle, abilities impose specific, concrete effects upon the days battle. Abilities are, by and large, not up for debate. For example, if an ability states an opponent will be frozen solid for the first 30 seconds of the match, then that effect is sacrosanct even if the targeted teams leader had a mercenary with a flamethrower, they could not argue that the ice could be melted ahead of schedule, as the effects is an ironclad rule imposed upon the match. Assume Mercenaries magic is responsible for it and roll with it instead

its magic. Ironclad. Not up for debate.

Yes, just like it's magic that he can't be revived in any way. So it'll be like FFD said with a corpse poofing behind my team.

And Batman knows that Zeratul has telepathy, and all other major details about him. Thank you, Jim Raynor.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Yes, just like it's magic that he can't be revived in any way. So it'll be like FFD said with a corpse poofing behind my team.

Can a corpse sneak attack? No. Does the sneak attack happen? Yes.

This is not debatable.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Zeratul has telepathy. He can sense if Batman showed up.

But at what distance?

MajinZidane posted...

And Batman knows that Zeratul has telepathy, and all other major details about him. Thank you, Jim Raynor.

So is Batman just going to turn off his brain when he teleports in? Protoss are natural mind readers. If Batman's there, Zeratul will know. There's also this cool line about the Protoss that I found on the Starcraft wiki:

Protoss have been described as "devastatingly intelligent", and their thought processes work very differently than those of terrans.[67] They are able to contemplate multiple scenarioes and run through many different lines of thoughts and memories in the span of a second.

Eddv posted...

But at what distance?

It should be enough to cover a room. All I can find about distance is that Protoss need psychic boosters to telepathically communicate through a whole ship. But if Batman's close enough to scout them, he should be much closer than that.

MajinZidane posted...

Can a corpse sneak attack? No.

I've played enough resident evil games to know that's not true

Also youre saying that leon and kiryu can and will be sniped in the elevator. Is that actually possible?

It's less of an elevator and more of a platform that rises up. It's slow, and there's no room to hide. While it's rising, there's the opening at the top, and then four walls around the platform.

Are you on the correct side for that?

My understanding was the elevator was facing towards the other way like on this map it looks loke the elvator is open on the end facing the underground passage and not facing the snowfield

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/0/AAR9yWAAERMO.jpg

This is what I'm talking about. Snake rides that platform up to my team's starting area:

https://youtu.be/ihfZpptwsO0?t=1348

Metal Gear

I can't see any number of replays changing the battle, especially with after the 4th, mega man being permadead.

Bold text sneak attack

https://youtu.be/mlkHfevQdw4