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htaeD
05/04/23 9:39:57 AM
#351:


ctesjbuvf posted...


Since I returned here we have had town untargetables in at least 3 games and I don't recall it being scum. I've seen neighborizer as both though it has always Dumey when town lol.


My memory must be failing me then and its only the stigma that sticks.

That said it is odd in general that Lopen would risk claiming Hider in a game with Sultans power

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ctesjbuvf
05/04/23 9:40:43 AM
#352:


Peace___Frog posted...
Something along those lines is likely, yes.

Then why are do you feel good enough about Marth is scum to consider gf? That seems a bit desperate to me.

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htaeD
05/04/23 9:40:46 AM
#353:


Clarification
Wallz said he saw at least a third person

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:41:18 AM
#354:


htaeD posted...
My memory must be failing me then and its only the stigma that sticks.

That said it is odd in general that Lopen would risk claiming Hider in a game with Sultans power
No there definitely was a game when han was scum neighborizer and got town chang to believe in him completely. Lopen was correct in that game about what had happened but no one believed him.

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ctesjbuvf
05/04/23 9:41:56 AM
#355:


htaeD posted...
Clarification
Wallz said he saw at least a third person

Wait I missed this

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htaeD
05/04/23 9:42:13 AM
#356:


Oh I do know we have had scum neighborizers

And I suppose I should not be role-ist in general

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ctesjbuvf
05/04/23 9:42:48 AM
#357:


Peace___Frog posted...
No there definitely was a game when han was scum neighborizer and got town chang to believe in him completely. Lopen was correct in that game about what had happened but no one believed him.

I think Dumey put chang and Han in that chat together in that game.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:43:32 AM
#358:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Then why are do you feel good enough about Marth is scum to consider gf? That seems a bit desperate to me.
I don't understand what you're asking. I don't think it's far fetched to assume there is a gf in a game with a Miller (i believe sbell right now). I'm not going to treat Marth as confirmed town unless we see someone else flip gf. At that point in time and not before, i will believe Marth is town.

But like i said, it's not such that I'm going to derail days where we have real content.

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htaeD
05/04/23 9:44:05 AM
#359:


wallmasterz posted...
At least one other person visited red. Id prefer not to say how many people I observed visiting red at this point.

Yeah, ninja might exist but I dont think its a lock for this game like it would be with a full time watcher role.

Death could be telling the truth. I would feel a lot better if he had claimed doctor because bodyguard is a coin toss at best between truthful and scum who fully expects a doctor to exist and is trying to avoid a counterclaim.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:44:27 AM
#360:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I think Dumey put chang and Han in that chat together in that game.
Oh right and he was town at that time.

When it was Dumey and lea, who initiated it? Was that when it came from scum?

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htaeD
05/04/23 9:44:52 AM
#361:


There was also the time scumBen put himself together with townChris once.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:45:20 AM
#362:


Oh and wallz elaborated that it was a one time watch. I missed that part too.

Yeah i buy it.

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MZero
05/04/23 9:45:40 AM
#363:


htaeD posted...
My memory must be failing me then and its only the stigma that sticks.

That said it is odd in general that Lopen would risk claiming Hider in a game with Sultans power

one of those was me and I got misylnched cause it was a scummy power :(

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ctesjbuvf
05/04/23 9:45:53 AM
#364:


Wall, whenever, can you explain to me why you saw at least three people visit red and immediately gunned Death? Actually a simple yes/no on will do on; was this just based on purely your own reads?

I mean Death's claim doesn't look great regardless but yeah, that wasn't there at the time.

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ctesjbuvf
05/04/23 9:47:34 AM
#365:


Peace___Frog posted...
I don't understand what you're asking. I don't think it's far fetched to assume there is a gf in a game with a Miller (i believe sbell right now). I'm not going to treat Marth as confirmed town unless we see someone else flip gf. At that point in time and not before, i will believe Marth is town.

But like i said, it's not such that I'm going to derail days where we have real content.

I think it looks desperate because you're suggesting there are three roles that punishes cop (scum untargetable, gf and miller) in a game where cop already needs to hammer to even get his powers.

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htaeD
05/04/23 9:47:34 AM
#366:


It being a one time watch makes me suddenly feel less good about the claim actually.
That said its probably hard to fake unless scum has a watcher

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:47:41 AM
#367:


Anyway. I'm not going to be surprised if there are some unusual role assignments in this game.

If lopen flips town then it will be very confusing and I'll have to charge sheep for a day of pto while i recover.

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ctesjbuvf
05/04/23 9:48:25 AM
#368:


Peace___Frog posted...
Oh right and he was town at that time.

When it was Dumey and lea, who initiated it? Was that when it came from scum?

Nah that was town Dumey. But yeah scum Ben was neighborizer every other night once.

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ctesjbuvf
05/04/23 9:49:53 AM
#369:


htaeD posted...
It being a one time watch makes me suddenly feel less good about the claim actually.
That said its probably hard to fake unless scum has a watcher

Cmon now, no way anyways fakes a watch like this on Red that night. That's gonna end terribly.

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Obellisk
05/04/23 9:50:51 AM
#370:


So i'm gonna be that guy, and hopefully you guys just accept it and help me out.

Can i get an updated list of claims and actions because it would appear that almost everyone has claimed and they are all power. Just a lot going on, ya know.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:53:04 AM
#371:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I think it looks desperate because you're suggesting there are three roles that punishes cop (scum untargetable, gf and miller) in a game where cop already needs to hammer to even get his powers.
I hadn't even considered this. You're right, cop is pretty hosed in this setup. Plus scum rb and presumably nonconditional strongman if we believe death.

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htaeD
05/04/23 9:54:03 AM
#372:


Yeah I know, I was too paranoid
Also disappointed because he would be an obvious save target otherwise

Then again I shouldn't choose the predictable save targets anymore and just assume doc covers that.

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htaeD
05/04/23 9:54:41 AM
#373:


Peace___Frog posted...

I hadn't even considered this. You're right, cop is pretty hosed in this setup. Plus scum rb and presumably nonconditional strongman if we believe death.


I mean you dont need to believe me. Scum wouldn't shoot Red unless they knew they could.

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wallmasterz
05/04/23 9:55:20 AM
#374:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Wall, whenever, can you explain to me why you saw at least three people visit red and immediately gunned Death? Actually a simple yes/no on will do on; was this just based on purely your own reads?

I mean Death's claim doesn't look great regardless but yeah, that wasn't there at the time.

Sure. Of everyone I saw visit red, I thought death looked the scummiest d1. I gunned death for a reaction before I claimed to see how hed respond, and stayed quiet on the others to see how theyd start the day with less pressure. Sure theres a chance scum has a ninja, the other person I saw is scum, or MZero is lying, but based on the vibes I get from death I started the day working off what I felt was the likeliest explanation.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:55:26 AM
#375:


Obellisk posted...
So i'm gonna be that guy, and hopefully you guys just accept it and help me out.

Can i get an updated list of claims and actions because it would appear that almost everyone has claimed and they are all power. Just a lot going on, ya know.
Death - bg to red n1
Wallz - ??? With one use watch on red n1
Dumey - day targeting neighborizer, on lopen but unsuccessful
Lopen - hider to ulti n1
Peaf - ??? But rb'd n1
Mzero - gravedigger on red n1, got that marth is innocent

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Obellisk
05/04/23 9:55:57 AM
#376:


Peace___Frog posted...
Death - bg to red n
Wallz - ??? With one use watch on red n1
Dumey - day targeting neighborizer, on lopen but unsuccessful
Lopen - hider to ulti n1
Peaf - ??? But rb'd n1
Mzero - gravedigger on red n1, got that marth is innocent

You're a saint.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:56:25 AM
#377:


Oh and sbell claimed Miller

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Obellisk
05/04/23 9:56:53 AM
#378:


Peace___Frog posted...
Oh and sbell claimed Miller

Right, i forgot that one.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 9:57:44 AM
#379:


Yeah, thought you might

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Obellisk
05/04/23 10:00:18 AM
#380:


Death - bg to red n1
Wallz - ??? With one use watch on red n1
Dumey - day targeting neighborizer, on lopen but unsuccessful
Lopen - hider to ulti n1
Peaf - ??? But rb'd n1
Mzero - gravedigger on red n1, got that marth is innocent

Wallz claims to have seen Death and MZero visit Red but no one else?
Reading all of that means that Scum used an unblockable ninja Kill on Red... thats a lot.

This might just be a personal preference when making a mafia game but to me, if an Unblockable Kill is used on a target and you Bodyguard that target, then you die too. Since you got in the way and its unblockable. Maybe thats wrong.

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htaeD
05/04/23 10:01:13 AM
#381:


No wallz did see at least one other person and he doesnt want to reveal how many he saw in total

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Obellisk
05/04/23 10:01:15 AM
#382:


Dumey rolling neighborizor for the 30th time in 5 games is also a lot to swallow here.

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wallmasterz
05/04/23 10:01:41 AM
#383:


I guess this means sbell completely believes both MZero and Death, though

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 10:01:49 AM
#384:


Obellisk posted...
Wallz claims to have seen Death and MZero visit Red but no one else?
And at least 1 other person.

It's possible that they didn't strongman and that there is a different reason that red died.

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htaeD
05/04/23 10:01:51 AM
#385:


Hah, BGs should work like that if you think about it.

But I dont think they have ever done so.

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Obellisk
05/04/23 10:01:55 AM
#386:


htaeD posted...
No wallz did see at least one other person and he doesnt want to reveal how many he saw in total

... but he'll confirm he saw Death and MZero. However that claim comes AFTER you both said you already visited him.

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htaeD
05/04/23 10:03:01 AM
#387:


Oh no
I claimed after him
Even then Ctes is right that Wallz cant be faking this

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Obellisk
05/04/23 10:03:34 AM
#388:


wallmasterz posted...
I guess this means sbell completely believes both MZero and Death, though

gotta pick somewhere to start with the theories. With 6 claimed actions and a dead doublecop, lets pick what could be most likely and shift around from there.

Don't pigeon hole me.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/04/23 10:03:41 AM
#389:


Don't forget I aimed my Gun at someone

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Obellisk
05/04/23 10:04:09 AM
#390:


htaeD posted...
Oh no
I claimed after him
Even then Ctes is right that Wallz cant be faking this

Oh, oh good. Thats the best news out of all of this so far.

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Obellisk
05/04/23 10:04:37 AM
#391:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Don't forget I aimed my Gun at someone

go eat a pineapple sultan, there is enough for me to process here.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 10:05:15 AM
#392:


Sorry, Sultan.

Death - bg to red n1
Wallz - ??? With one use watch on red n1
Dumey - day targeting neighborizer, on lopen but unsuccessful
Lopen - hider to ulti n1
Peaf - ??? But rb'd n1
Mzero - gravedigger on red n1, got that marth is innocent
Sultan successfully aimed a gun but didn't fire n1

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htaeD
05/04/23 10:06:20 AM
#393:


Also yes I suppose Wallz maybe has other powers, but he claims to be a Virtual Boy so thats not sounding healthy.
And if Mzero is not lying he can always backup Wallz just to see who his other names were if we need the info. (if Wallz somehow dies before being able to tell us)

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Obellisk
05/04/23 10:07:08 AM
#394:


ok, I've got some errands to run, but when i return my log will have something to say about this.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/04/23 10:09:05 AM
#395:


Obellisk posted...
go eat a pineapple sultan, there is enough for me to process here.
Don't have a pineapple but do have pineapple juice if that works lol

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/04/23 10:19:16 AM
#396:


wallmasterz posted...
I can also confirm MZero visited Red last night. I buy MZeros claim so he and Marth are on my town list.

You only saw Mzero???

The Killer would have to be a ninja strongman to have killed red at this point???

To not be seen by you, not have killed the BG...

Yeah maybe I don't think wallz either.

Walls Mzero Lopen scum or be a fucking legend if I got this day 1 lol.

Also no one thinks Mzero is lying here??? Kinda easy to fake right?

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Corrik7
05/04/23 10:21:57 AM
#397:


##vote: Lopen

His claim is a lie. The fact Chris tried to justify it is very troubling indeed.

A large swathe of the game is town now.

It's kinda easy to see that scum would have been oh so in favor of the hammer strategy if they already decided to strongman him. They probably assumed there was not a watcher when taking that course of action and/or the risk of the one use strongman dying was worth it.

Anyways Lopen is scum, and there is no wiggling out for him.

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Peace___Frog
05/04/23 10:23:05 AM
#398:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Also no one thinks Mzero is lying here??? Kinda easy to fake right?
It's possible. It's also irrelevant to lopen/dumey which is why I'm not harping on it.

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Corrik7
05/04/23 10:23:37 AM
#399:


Wall, we going to do the thing where we claim and not reveal all information?

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Corrik7
05/04/23 10:25:15 AM
#400:


Lopen would have eventually given us a person that is scum as town in his results. But, he wouldn't have done it night 1. He needed to burrow some trust in. So ulti is confirmed town.

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