Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 4: 2D or not 2D

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I also feel like between me, Sultan and Lopen there is a lot of town dying going around.
Though of course Lopen to me is the liar here.

Meanwhile I wish you hadnt said you were roleblocked, Peaf.
Though I do believe that you were

It felt relevant to resolving the Dumey/ lopen conversation, which i was personally struggling with hardcore.

And re: marth I'm going to assume he's gf until we see a different one flip, but I'll avoid sucking all the air out of the day on that.

I suppose, though I dont think a night roleblocker should be able to stop EDumey's role

I think lopen is more of a slam dunk than death.

##vote: lopen

Question for Chris.

I'm not finished catching up but if Dumeys neighborizer is a day action how would he not be able to target a hider that is a night action. If day to unhide to join the towns people in the hunt for scum?

Youre not still hiding during day. So like if I was a day vig and shot Ulti. Would I then also kill Lopen in this senerio?? Or is my logic completely off here

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So like if I was a day vig and shot Ulti.

o_O

UnderUrMattress posted...

@TheSultanOfSlam
There's a decent chance your gut feelings may have been right.

Can you tell me to the best of your ability what they were fueled on?

Maybe to much respect for Lopens town game but it seemed like he wanted any reason to just kill anyone for red to get his power and from Reds full claim he seemed irritated with dumey and Lopen by there conspiracy or I can't remember the exact words as the reason he finally claimed cop. That was kind if the icing on the cake for me. Like Reds reactions twords lopen made me go huh maybe he is just being opportunistic rather than just trying to help red.

Made me have some small pause on Dumey but not as much as the voice in my head going hmm maybe lopen is scum here.

Idk if this makes as much sense as it does to me

You claim to have the ability to kill someone that resolves in the same way as Dumey's claimed action (on flip), but your mind went to "if I was day vig" before "if I pointed my gun at Ulti"?

Actually wait wouldn't that also potentially give the opportunity for 3 kills In 1 night?

Like they shoot me I shad my gun aiming to who lopen was hiding behind

Then all 3 me lopen and that person would all day that seems like alot does it not???

MZero posted...

You claim to have the ability to kill someone that resolves in the same way as Dumey's claimed action (on flip), but your mind went to "if I was day vig" before "if I pointed my gun at Ulti"?

I was getting there still waking up and working though all senerios.

##vote:Lopen

I really dont think it be fair to town to give the chance 3 kills could happen in 1 night like that.

I dont think our roles should coexist

Mzero but my role goes off upon death that could happen at the end of day phase or end of night phase.

Dumeys sounds only like a day action and Lopens sounds like only a night actions thats the difference

Yeah lopens has to be a fake claim I feel like he would have jumped all over my claim if it was real for the reason I layed out

That's 4/7 on lopen. I'd prefer to have day be at least 24 hours so people have the chance to show up or catch up band talk through things.

Peaf since you're hear does my logic make sense or am I missing something.

I'll be honest i don't really follow. I would expect you and Dumey to have actions that occur at the same time but i haven't thought through it enough to argue that. So if you get lynched and are aimed at the person that Dumey targeted during the day, then that person would die and dumey would have to be alone that night.

But i would also expect wallz to see dumey visiting whoever he neighborizes. So it's got a day component and a night component that takes priority over roleblocks?

But you bring up a good point about how lopen's reaction to you doesn't quite fit. I think you've been scummy separate from your role, but with the role that you've claimed I buy it. I know how much you love getting a gun.

I am honestly worried that Chris is trying too hard to avoid lynching Lopen.
I mean I cant say that my target looks bad for everyone else, but still..

I myself dont think Wallz can see Dumey visiting anyone, since the visit is already over by the time the chat goes up.

I think he probably can see Sultan, but even that is dubious.

For the record, I am assuming Sultan did not try to target Red last night lol.
Or Lopen for that matter.

Why would you assume that?

Because why would Sultan want to endanger Red?

yeah I don't think Dumey would be seen

The next line.

Why would you assume that Sultan did not target lopen n1?

Because I think Sultan would have confirmed that Lopen could not be targeted by now

Granted, I dont know if he would be told either.

Let's see

Ctes is town
Sultan is probably still town
MZero is probably town
Marth is then town (regardless of MZero, MZero if sucm doesn't pick a scumbuddy there I think)

Dumey is definitely neighborizer, you don't fake that. I thought initially that Lopen's hide has to be compulsory for the two roles to coexist though hider being immune to any action is a bit weird but whatever. This was later asked. My first thought was that Lopen is probably just scum here, also because I suspected so yesterday as well, but if he's scum untargetable why the hell not just claim untargetable when Dumey clearly had something instead of hider and getting into details. That gave me pause. I think regardless, Ulti is probably town even if Lopen is lying. Dumey and Lopen are probably not both scum. Oh wait, roleblock is brought up, that doesn't add up, maybe Lopen is just scum then (or he just dies if roleblocked, but that's rough). Commuting is right there on the list though, so if day neighborizer exists, it's just weird anyway. Also using something like hider needs to get "your action was successful" is dumb because it's the easiest thing in the world for host to make it "you successfully hid behind x" for them to synergize. This is not the right argument to make. The RB thing is, or anything about Lopen unrelated to setup stuff. I don't think everything here makes sense with Dumey town Lopen scum either tbh, but I usually play better when I don't overthink these things, so Lopen is probably just scum.

Oh okay, Wallz outed Death. Wallz is probably town. Death is probably scum. Wallz was pretty clear about having something on Death early in the day and I think Death as town bodyguard sees that and clears it up. Bodyguard doesn't have that much value in hiding.

Ctes why would I claim on a day with a lynch of certain scum already lined up.
That was my thinking.
Also I genuinely did not expect a scan claim, though in hindsight I should have.

htaeD posted...

Ctes why would I claim on a day with a lynch of certain scum already lined up.

Well that was not yet the case at the time.

Oh but maybe you weren't around, I suppose it was at night here.

Some votals would be nice

ctesjbuvf posted...

My first thought was that Lopen is probably just scum here, also because I suspected so yesterday as well, but if he's scum untargetable why the hell not just claim untargetable when Dumey clearly had something instead of hider and getting into details. That gave me pause.

This is a really good point, ctes. Perhaps lopen wanted hider to act like Untargetable or Commuter? Hmmm.

I think it's +2 lopen and +1 death from what was posted on page 5 but i can't be bothered to update

Yeah I was sleeping already when Wallz came in.

That said, though I did not consider scanners I would also not think any scanners would immediately think I could only be scum instead of protection or the like.

Untargetable is also almost never a town power

I'll just hold off voting anyways. I have basically no time Saturday, it would be nice to have night then.

htaeD posted...

Because I think Sultan would have confirmed that Lopen could not be targeted by now

That's a good question, though I wasn't told if I successful pointed my gun so I probably wouldn't be told is my guess

I don't why Wallz instantly went for you and not MZero tbh.

htaeD posted...

Untargetable is also almost never a town power

Basically just as much as neighborizer I think. That's hardly a point.

I guess the way it works, if you used it now you would not be told if your target landed until the day/night transition.
You can change your mind, but only the final name counts..

I don't think Sultan would know unless he was killed and the shot actually went off.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't why Wallz instantly went for you and not MZero tbh.

I mean, it makes sense after the claim, but pretty sure he attacked Death before that.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Basically just as much as neighborizer I think. That's hardly a point.

It may not be a truly valid point. But its a point Lopen would believe.
Plus Hider makes him more desirable.

Neighborizers have been town more often than Untargetables btw.

Peaf you believe Lopen is scum untargetable?

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't why Wallz instantly went for you and not MZero tbh.

Mzero had already claimed by then, right?
But i think wallz said he saw a third person targeting red too.

Yeah that is a very good point actually. He voted me before Mzero claimed to have targeted Red as well

htaeD posted...

Neighborizers have been town more often than Untargetables btw.

Since I returned here we have had town untargetables in at least 3 games and I don't recall it being scum. I've seen neighborizer as both though it has always Dumey when town lol.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Peaf you believe Lopen is scum untargetable?

Something along those lines is likely, yes.

wallmasterz posted...

Good day all.

##Vote: Death

He voted me before Mzero even posted that day

Oh. Interesting. Thanks for clearing that up.