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AldousIsDead
06/02/23 12:07:06 PM
#101:


Aysander posted...
Have they closed the Conservative-leaning community boards down yet? Any update on that?

Seems odd that Realpolitik and 261 were the only two closed...and Realpolitik was completely in line with the policy on Community Boards as currently stated.
People keep mentioning this, but which boards are you referring to? Link em and shine some light.

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HornyLevel
06/02/23 12:28:23 PM
#102:


I feel like these two topics on this exemplify why that place was probably closed. Some of you are extremely stubborn.

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bfslick50
06/02/23 12:39:48 PM
#103:


Error1355 posted...
They made it clear via a topic on GameFAQs Announcements that political boards were being closed. Then users went to a previously dead community board about politics and tried to use it as a replacement political board, and it also got closed when brought to their attention.

It's probably better for you to accept this and move on, because I can't imagine they are going to 180 on this choice.

261 users moved to Realpolitik and posted bout politics so it was closed. 261 users moved to Current Events and posted bout politics so things at present moment arent being consistent or clear.

Are you advocating for accept, move on, and leave this site or accept, move on, and use this site within the new parameters because the second option would be easier with more clarity on what are the parameters. What about CE makes it OK and if 261 users did that elsewhere on this site, what needs to be done so its treated like CE and not like Realpolitik?

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Board_hunter567
06/02/23 12:47:02 PM
#105:


bfslick50 posted...
261 users moved to Realpolitik and posted bout politics so it was closed. 261 users moved to Current Events and posted bout politics so things at present moment arent being consistent or clear.

Are you advocating for accept, move on, and leave this site or accept, move on, and use this site within the new parameters because the second option would be easier with more clarity on what are the parameters. What about CE makes it OK and if 261 users did that elsewhere on this site, what needs to be done so its treated like CE and not like Realpolitik?
As of right now social boards like CE can have political topics. That might change at some point, nobody can say. Mods are here to occasionally take action against posts that use the I word, not answer questions about future site policies they apparently have no say in.

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Aysander
06/02/23 12:49:09 PM
#106:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


That's even more ridiculous. And again, the response we received stated it was political discussion in general.

Independent (Read: Conservative) Politics is still alive and well. Religion is untouched. CE is untouched and has always had political discourse.

Doesn't add up and is extremely annoying because the precise reason for HAVING a board directly centered on political discussion and news is to keep it from spilling over into more chill areas of the site where it will get even more toxic.

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ooger
06/02/23 12:50:04 PM
#107:


Board_hunter567 posted...
As of right now social boards like CE can have political topics. That might change at some point, nobody can say. Mods are here to occasionally take action against posts that use the I word, not answer questions about future site policies they apparently have no say in.

The crux of the issue is that those who are able to clarify the issue, DToast, SBAllen, or Fandom itself, have not done so.


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ArtiRock
06/02/23 1:00:14 PM
#109:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Which i think is kinda dumb. The site already lost a ton of posters and forums are already a dying media. So closing them means people won't go to boards. And how many people actually write FAQs nowadays?

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bfslick50
06/02/23 1:02:48 PM
#110:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


So if 261 users decide to move to a new board and make it more of a free-for-all does it still get closed? Clarification after this recent closure would be nice.

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Board_hunter567
06/02/23 1:03:42 PM
#111:


ooger posted...
The crux of the issue is that those who are able to clarify the issue, DToast, SBAllen, or Fandom itself, have not done so.
They should but they don't have to, so they probably won't. They've been fairly apathetic about the whole thing and the strategy from the beginning has been the tried and true method of waiting for (or shouting at) people to get over it.

I don't say this in their defense, they're living up to all our expectations. For better or worse they don't care what you think of them or what goes on here, they're simply following orders while trying to do as little as possible just like the rest of us.

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CSCA33
06/02/23 1:10:04 PM
#113:


bfslick50 posted...
So if 261 users decide to move to a new board and make it more of a free-for-all does it still get closed? Clarification after this recent closure would be nice.
Im down for that but I think they will still shut down the board.

Anyway, the damage cant be undone at this point.

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Foppe
06/02/23 1:47:28 PM
#115:


How is DToast supposed to know about all these political boards?
If you want it to be fair, inform him about them and wait.

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Agent_Stroud
06/02/23 1:47:53 PM
#116:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/5/3/AAR6WtAAEgS1.jpg

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ooger
06/02/23 1:49:25 PM
#117:


Foppe posted...
How is DToast supposed to know about all these political boards?
If you want it to be fair, inform him about them and wait.
Well we're not the ones getting paid to administrate the site.

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videospirit
06/02/23 1:52:52 PM
#118:


Foppe posted...
How is DToast supposed to know about all these political boards?
If you want it to be fair, inform him about them and wait.

I mean, he's got the power to check, not our fault if he can't be arsed to do his job.

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Neo
06/02/23 1:59:01 PM
#119:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/help?id=89

Although why bother following the processes given to you when you can be angry, snarky, and miserable all the time. Sure as hell not convincing me (or any of the staff) that politics should come back with that attitude.

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loafy013
06/02/23 2:04:56 PM
#120:


Neo posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/help?id=89

Although why bother following the processes given to you when you can be angry, snarky, and miserable all the time. Sure as hell not convincing me (or any of the staff) that politics should come back with that attitude.
Then its a good thing none of the mods were being snarky when 261 was first closed. That would have been a bad look and attitude for the new direction of the site. Professionalism all the way down with clear, concise direction as to what is allowed and not.

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Foppe
06/02/23 2:04:58 PM
#121:


videospirit posted...
I mean, he's got the power to check, not our fault if he can't be arsed to do his job.
To check what?
"Refuge of the Damned" doesnt sound political.
Should he search for the word Trump and delete every board mentioning him?

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Neo
06/02/23 2:05:56 PM
#122:


loafy013 posted...
Then its a good thing none of the mods were being snarky when 261 was first closed. That would have been a bad look and attitude for the new direction of the site. Professionalism all the way down with clear, concise direction as to what is allowed and not.

Lurk more then. Learn from others that do know how to properly converse.

Also thanks for proving my point. I gave the exact resource to report said community boards and like clockwork, you did exactly as I stated.

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Strand
06/02/23 2:10:17 PM
#124:


Neo posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/help?id=89

Although why bother following the processes given to you when you can be angry, snarky, and miserable all the time. Sure as hell not convincing me (or any of the staff) that politics should come back with that attitude.

But is that the correct form in this situation? The site's terms of use haven't been updated to prohibit political boards yet. The official announcement hasn't been updated either, so we don't know whether those boards are actually against the new terms of use.

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loafy013
06/02/23 2:11:21 PM
#125:


Neo posted...
Lurk more then. Learn from others that do know how to properly converse.
Like I said, good thing some of the mods here aren't being snarky. It might reflect badly on the mod team as a whole.

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Neo
06/02/23 2:11:37 PM
#126:


One way to find out no? It's not like you're going to be nailed to the cross if the admin says no if you fill that form out.

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Foppe
06/02/23 2:11:53 PM
#127:


GranolaPanic posted...
The users of this site can easily find these boards, so why cant DToast?
Perhaps because he is the community manager on every site Fandom owns, and he has to priority?
Heck, I didnt know we had more than 261 being political.

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Board_hunter567
06/02/23 2:15:03 PM
#128:


Strand posted...
But is that the correct form in this situation? The site's terms of use haven't been updated to prohibit political boards yet. The official announcement hasn't been updated either, so we don't know whether those boards are actually against the new terms of use.
I'd use this instead. I've gotten a direct response from the guy before, God only knows where it ends up when sent via GFAQs.
https://gamespothelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

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Strand
06/02/23 2:24:05 PM
#129:


Board_hunter567 posted...
I'd use this instead. I've gotten a direct response from the guy before, God only knows where it ends up when sent via GFAQs.
https://gamespothelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/10-ask-the-mods/71984971

The GameFAQs equivalent also gets seen by the admins. I tried that before, but even they aren't certain on what rules apply. So we need the official announcement to be updated with the actual new rules that will apply going forward.

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untrustful
06/02/23 2:24:40 PM
#130:


I could understand 261's deletion, since initially we were told about how the board gave mods the most work to do, how there was a lot of hate speech going on there, I get it. But realpolitick? Feels like a step too far for me personally, since community boards were designed with user-accessible tools to moderate and manage a board, and that board was originally created to foster healthier political discourse compared to 261, and I didn't see ToS breaking going on for the little time I saw it before it was gone.

We're also getting into murky territory here regarding the congregation of certain users because it feels like realpolitick's deletion wasn't for hate speech or giving the mods trouble, it feels like it was deleted because a congregation of politically-affiliated users got together and posted 5 political topics with like 30 political posts. Does that mean if this group moves from board to board they basically have the power to delete the boards indirectly? Is that the kind of power you want to give a small subset of users? Should the users be banned then?

Where's the line? I thought it was hate speech, but it doesn't seem to be. I don't know where it is. Maybe when Fandom figures out a more concrete way to convey to this change that's when I'll figure it out. I certainly can't figure it out as is. I'm dense, I don't know what to say.

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Heineken14
06/02/23 2:28:19 PM
#131:


HornyLevel posted...
I feel like these two topics on this exemplify why that place was probably closed. Some of you are extremely stubborn.


Except nobody really knows why it was, because 2 contradictory statements were made, nothing has been clarified, and it doesn't seem their rules really line up with (or have been updated) to include forums.

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Zonbei
06/02/23 2:28:22 PM
#132:


Neo posted...
Lurk more then. Learn from others that do know how to properly converse.

Also thanks for proving my point. I gave the exact resource to report said community boards and like clockwork, you did exactly as I stated.

hold on. Your response to mods were being snarky was lurk more, learn how to properly converse.

Well that doesnt make a lick of sense. Do as I say, not as I do, I guess.

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Board_hunter567
06/02/23 2:28:34 PM
#133:


Strand posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/10-ask-the-mods/71984971

The GameFAQs equivalent also gets seen by the admins. I tried that before, but even they aren't certain on what rules apply
The place I linked gets seen and answered by Fandom CMs, not GFAQs staff that have made it abundantly clear they don't know wtf is going on (because they've explicitly told us that).

At least that's been my experience, although somewhat worryingly my interaction with Dtoast has been him going to ask other GFAQs/Fandom staff what's allowed or not because he didn't know either. So it's kind of a cluster over there.

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06/02/23 2:55:45 PM
#136:


GranolaPanic posted...
At the very least multiple moderators know that the Independent Politics board exists given this topic.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1044-independent-politics/73788115

So why hasnt it been deleted as the new rule says all communities dedicated to politics is now against the rules.

I don't think anyone remembers a random post they made on a dead board seven years ago.

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STEROLIZER
06/02/23 3:16:35 PM
#138:


Political Boards Still Active & Approved for GameFaqs:

Blatant Politics:
  • Independent Politics: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1044-independent-politics
  • President Joe Biden: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1539-president-joe-biden
  • Politics 261+ Liberals & Legitimate Conservatives: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1438-politics-261-plus-liberals-and-legitimate-conservatives
  • Libertarian's Corner: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1184-libertarians-corner


Covert Politics:
  • The Blacklist: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1406-the-blacklist
  • Black in America: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america


Religious Discussions:
  • Religion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/263-religion
  • Mount Zion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1242-mount-zion


Just use these instead.

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Alucard188
06/02/23 3:40:32 PM
#140:


Find a person that cares for you the way certain users on this board care about toxic bullshit politics.


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MC_BatCommander
06/02/23 3:41:13 PM
#141:


GranolaPanic posted...
Im not saying they have to remember those specific posts. But theyre most likely aware of the continued existence of the board.

Other main political boards like Left Wing Politics and community boards that had barely any traffic were closed after 261 was. Its weird to me that this and others havent been yet. Shouldnt purging all of them be the top priority?

What exactly is your goal here. Complaining about other boards and shining the spotlight on obscure/dead ones isn't going to bring back 261. It's just bringing more boards into Fandom's attention

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TicketOak
06/02/23 3:46:22 PM
#143:


The 'ol 'if i gotta suffer we all suffer' route

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MC_BatCommander
06/02/23 3:47:39 PM
#144:


GranolaPanic posted...
@MC_BatCommander

Like I said yesterday, I am not calling for the Politics board or Realpolitik to be reopened. I accept that this is the new rule even though I disagree with it. I want these new rules to be enforced fairly which they havent been so far.

Then be patient and let them do their thing. There are thousands of boards on the site.

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Error1355
06/02/23 3:48:39 PM
#145:


STEROLIZER posted...
Political Boards Still Active & Approved for GameFaqs:

Blatant Politics:
* Independent Politics: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1044-independent-politics
* President Joe Biden: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1539-president-joe-biden
* Politics 261+ Liberals & Legitimate Conservatives: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1438-politics-261-plus-liberals-and-legitimate-conservatives
* Libertarian's Corner: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1184-libertarians-corner

Covert Politics:
* The Blacklist: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1406-the-blacklist
* Black in America: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america

Religious Discussions:
* Religion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/263-religion
* Mount Zion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1242-mount-zion

Just use these instead.
Just please do not be shocked when every single board you just linked here gets closed.

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Hoodroar
06/02/23 3:48:57 PM
#146:


It's pretty clear that if "the group" migrates to those other boards, that's when said board will get nuked.

It's not the subject it's the people.

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Board_hunter567
06/02/23 3:49:33 PM
#148:


GranolaPanic posted...
@MC_BatCommander

Like I said yesterday, I am not calling for the Politics board or Realpolitik to be reopened. I accept that this is the new rule even though I disagree with it. I want these new rules to be enforced fairly which they havent been so far.
You're going to have to get in touch with Dtoast directly and accept whatever his decision will be. Mods and possibly even SBAllen ain't calling the shots here and neither them nor Dtoast care what you think is fair. You've been on GFAQs, hell the Internet, long enough to know that, haven't you?

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ChocoboMogALT
06/02/23 3:55:37 PM
#150:


261ers really trying to get CE and social boards shut down all together ITT and they're too dense to realize it.

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Hoodroar
06/02/23 3:59:05 PM
#151:


ChocoboMogALT posted...
261ers really trying to get CE and social boards shut down all together ITT and they're too dense to realize it.

And after all that LUE will still be up.

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