Current Events > Realpolitick nuked. (continued)

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GranolaPanic posted...

I realize that. But DToast or whoever it was that directly closed Realpolitik didnt waste any time. May I ask if the moderation staff is aware of every community board that exists? If they are, shouldnt DToast be informed of the problematic ones?

They should be if a community moderator forwards a violation to them.

No, we are not aware of every single community board. It is not our job to commit every one of the community boards to memory.

It's certainly not our job to track them down, our only part in the operation of the site is dealing with marked messages and disputes.

GranolaPanic posted...

May I ask if the moderation staff is aware of every community board that exists?

No. Admins are notified if a forwarded report to us ends in a suspension.

Hoodroar posted...

And after all that LUE will still be up.

lue hasnt been worth posting on in half a decade

GranolaPanic posted...

Im not upset. I am asking about how the moderation staff operates in this capacity and what they are and arent aware of with community boards.

And MC BatCommander answered my question as I typed this. Thats all I wanted to know.

It is almost as if you are making it a competition to be as obtuse about this as possible.

This is such a hilarious state of affairs. The former politic users can go elsewhere. The mods were right about how toxic the user base was. They are refusing to listen to reason and logic because they want the admins to sit them down and answer their back and forth questions knowing it wont change things lol.

--Zero- posted...

This is such a hilarious state of affairs. The former politic users can go elsewhere. The mods were right about how toxic the user base was. They are refusing to listen to reason and logic because they want the admins to sit them down and answer their back and forth questions knowing it wont change things lol.

Y'all sure love to use 261 as a scapegoat, don't you? That's all it really is. A scapegoat.

GranolaPanic posted...

Im not upset. I am asking about how the moderation staff operates in this capacity and what they are and arent aware of with community boards.

The admins were willing to give users a chance to have some autonomy with how rule enforcement is handled. Yes they know of the risks involved and it looks like they're starting to fine tune it so that they can be managed better.

Error1355 posted...

Just please do not be shocked when every single board you just linked here gets closed.

That's their goal. The same user posted a thread on that subreddit to get those boards closed too.

ChainsawFerret posted...

Y'all sure love to use 261 as a scapegoat, don't you? That's all it really is. A scapegoat.

A scapegoat for what? You trying to argue into the void? Was that the 261 way? No one really cares dude lol.

ChainsawFerret posted...

Y'all sure love to use 261 as a scapegoat, don't you? That's all it really is. A scapegoat.

Dude is just a shit poster anyway. Look at his posts throughout threads...Just talking shit to everyone. It's amazing that it's all of this board's shit talkers dumping on 261.

--Zero- posted...

A scapegoat for what? You trying to argue into the void? Was that the 261 way? No one really cares dude lol.

How was 261 "toxic" or is this just you being a BS artist?

I see one that's an odd one out. I'm sure he thinks he was slick slipping it in thinking we wouldn't notice it.

Given how that board operates, I'm not going to defend it though. If the users of that board want to defend themselves, then I'll leave it to them.

Outside of that, the supposed "guide" was to try and overturn their suspensions, not ban boards. Imagine thinking any correspondence was taken seriously. Those "public posts" celebrating their "efforts" are about as truthful as me claiming sole credit for 261's closure.

If you really do believe otherwise, I have a fantastic swamp with a mansion you might be interested in purchasing.

ChainsawFerret posted...

How was 261 "toxic" or is this just you being a BS artist?

The mods or I think Allen himself said the majority of the mod queue was from 261 lol. These topics from you guys are proof enough yall are toxic. You make it easy to shit talk and I normally dont do that here

STEROLIZER posted...

My previous reply was lacking the tonality necessary to actually engage you in meaningful discussion. Let me try again...

Feel free to ignore this question/statement if it's uncomfortable for you, or you simply don't feel qualified to answer. But, it appears as if the moderation team can't decide whether to take a firm stance against Fandom's recent decisions, or to support them because that's what they signed up for.

In regards to the quoted post, it seems as if you are trying to warn the community not to raise attention to Fandom so they can continue to maintain their political themed community boards. However, technically as a lead moderator wouldn't it be in your duty to support Fandom -- and since the current decree is "no politics" then isn't it in your duties to inform the administration of the existing political boards that have yet to be shut down?

Especially considering DToast stated in the other topic that the only reason RealPoliticks lasted as long as it did was because he wasn't aware of its existence, and as soon as it came into his radar he took action?

It's just a conflicting message right now on where the moderation team stands. Do you support and work with Fandom to enforce their policies, or are you all independent forces doing your own thing, and in some cases acting as a protective shield between the longtime community members and the newly appointed administration staff?

...wow

You would probably benefit from not assuming every word the mod staff is saying is some weird doublespeak.

Error1355 posted...

Just please do not be shocked when every single board you just linked here gets closed.

I've deleted two replies I've made to this topic already, because each one feels too personal.

In a nutshell I basically just asked if the moderators are supposed to uphold Fandom's new policies. It appears as if the moderation staff is taking a neutral stance to the new administrative changes, but in reality, shouldn't you all be deleting as many political discussions as possible?

Like, isn't it now officially against the ToS to create political themed topics?

--Zero- posted...

The mods or I think Allen himself said the majority of the mod queue was from 261 lol.

--Zero- posted...

These topics from you guys are proof enough yall are toxic.

Do you think these are the same group of people? Because to not make you do any thinking, they are not.

--Zero- posted...

You make it easy to shit talk and I normally dont do that here

Unlikely.

Error1355 posted...

...wow

You would probably benefit from not assuming every word the mod staff is saying is some weird doublespeak.

Damn you replied before I deleted.

Yea, that post I made was odd. Hence why I deleted it. I was just trying to ask if "Political Discussions" were now officially against the ToS.

Neo posted...

I see one that's an odd one out. I'm sure he thinks he was slick slipping it in thinking we wouldn't notice it.

Given how that board operates, I'm not going to defend it though. If the users of that board want to defend themselves, then I'll leave it to them.

Outside of that, the supposed "guide" was to try and overturn their suspensions, not ban boards. Imagine thinking any correspondence was taken seriously. Those "public posts" celebrating their "efforts" are about as truthful as me claiming sole credit for 261's closure.

If you really do believe otherwise, I have a fantastic swamp with a mansion you might be interested in purchasing.

I agree that the guide itself doesn't mention closing 261 or other boards. Only contacting DToast to overturn moderations.

But other posts on their subreddit do and they link to the guide, advocating for the same strategy. And the ones about shutting down 261 and Realpolitik predate those boards' closure by less than two weeks.

It wasn't toxic, it exposed alot of bad faith politics and a lot of bad faith posters as a result. That's what the mod load came from, posters with the whole "can't post my beliefs or I'll be modded", alts stragglers and refugees from the maga board. But raise questions on why these places are closed down and you're toxic all of a sudden? Sure ok Jan.

STEROLIZER posted...

Damn you replied before I deleted.

Yea, that post I made was odd. Hence why I deleted it. I was just trying to ask if "Political Discussions" were now officially against the ToS.

There have been no changes to the rules.

Mark my words here: Not only will CE inevitably be closed but every single forum will be closed too to prevent potential political discussion, including video game forums.

MC_BatCommander posted...

There have been no changes to the rules.

That's good enough for me. Thanks.

STEROLIZER posted...

It appears as if the moderation staff is taking a neutral stance to the new administrative changes, but in reality, shouldn't you all be deleting as many political discussions as possible?

If the mods are to be believed they're reactive, not proactive. They're here to take action on user submitted reports and that's it. Basically riding out the gig until AI inevitably replaces them.

Unknown5uspect posted...

ItS DivIsIVe

Isnt the point of having separate boards divisive by design.

Why have separate console boards? Thats divisive.

This isnt hyperbole; its pointing out how stupid and basic their excuses are.

MC_BatCommander posted...

There have been no changes to the rules.

Which is the most confusing part.

Clearly there have been de facto changes to the rules, they just aren't official, as boards are now being shut down that were allowed to operate under the "rules that have not been changed", and the existing rules cannot be cited to explain why.

videospirit posted...

Which is the most confusing part.

Clearly there have been de facto changes to the rules, they just aren't official, as boards are now being shut down that were allowed to operate under the "rules that have not been changed", and the existing rules cannot be cited to explain why.

There's nothing to explain, Fandom wants the boards gone so they're gone.They don't have to justify or explain it, that's just what they decided to do.

When I say the rules haven't changed I'm referring to how we deal with marked messages because that's where our involvement in the site begins and ends.

--Zero- posted...

The mods or I think Allen himself said the majority of the mod queue was from 261 lol. These topics from you guys are proof enough yall are toxic. You make it easy to shit talk and I normally dont do that here

Boom.

Alucard188 posted...

Find a person that cares for you the way certain users on this board care about toxic bullshit politics.

meanwhile, other mods telling users not to be snarky

Error1355 posted...

Just please do not be shocked when every single board you just linked here gets closed.

Sterolizer wont be shocked. Theyre doing it on purpose. You must know their shtick by now, right? They want all the politics boards shut down.

MC_BatCommander posted...

There's nothing to explain, Fandom wants the boards gone so they're gone.They don't have to justify or explain it, that's just what they decided to do.

When I say the rules haven't changed I'm referring to how we deal with marked messages because that's where our involvement in the site begins and ends.

So the gamefaqs moderation team have not been handed new rule guidelines about which boards to shut down, Fandom manually comes in and tells you "Shut this specific board down for us" one by one?

videospirit posted...

So the gamefaqs moderation team have not been handed new rule guidelines about which boards to shut down, Fandom manually comes in and tells you "Shut this specific board down for us" one by one?

Gamefaqs mods cannot and do not have any involvement with shutting down boards, creation of boards, or literally anything at all in the entire site outside of dealing with marked messages and disputes.

Again, I cannot stress enough that anything outside of marked messages and disputes is firmly not within our duties.

--Zero- posted...

The mods or I think Allen himself said the majority of the mod queue was from 261 lol. These topics from you guys are proof enough yall are toxic. You make it easy to shit talk and I normally dont do that here

If I had to hazard a guess, the majority of the mod queue was from 261 because there were a bunch of right wing trolls who tried to get people mad and then marked people constantly. (See TonyKojima in that Lizzo topic today for another example.) Then on top of that, you had other right wing shitposters being fairly marked for being bigots. So you end up with a large mod queue. There were other ways to fix that problem, however. (Such as a required level to post, which would weed out a lot of shitty alts.)

The only reason 261 got nuked is fandom said so because its politics and they dont like politics: Thats it. Youre just trying to cause problems. Obviously.

Zonbei posted...

If I had to hazard a guess, the majority of the mod queue was from 261 because there were a bunch of right wing trolls who tried to get people mad and then marked people constantly. (See TonyKojima in that Lizzo topic today for another example.) Then on top of that, you had other right wing shitposters being fairly marked for being bigots. So you end up with a large mod queue. There were other ways to fix that problem, however. (Such as a required level to post, which would weed out a lot of shitty alts.)

The only reason 261 got nuked is fandom said so because its politics and they dont like politics: Thats it. Youre just trying to cause problems. Obviously.

I only mentioned the same info that was already said. I guess repeating what the staff here has said is causing problems. Come on now lol. The right wingers ultimately caused the downfall, but fandom still doesnt want politic boards on this site for more than just the mod queue. Im not giving out any new info that isnt already known.

Zonbei posted...

mod queue was from 261 because there were a bunch of right wing trolls who tried to get people mad and then marked people constantly

Bada bing bang boom.

MC_BatCommander posted...

Again, I cannot stress enough that anything outside of marked messages and disputes is firmly not within our duties.

I've always wondered about this; if a mod personally sees a message that is a clear violation, like porn or gore or warez, and nobody reports it they can't do anything? Or are there exceptions to that rule in those instances?

Board_hunter567 posted...

I've always wondered about this; if a mod personally sees a message that is a clear violation, like porn or gore or warez, and nobody reports it they can't do anything? Or are there exceptions to that rule in those instances?

We can mark messages too

MC_BatCommander posted...

Gamefaqs mods cannot and do not have any involvement with shutting down boards, creation of boards, or literally anything at all in the entire site outside of dealing with marked messages and disputes.

Again, I cannot stress enough that anything outside of marked messages and disputes is firmly not within our duties.

So who is responsible for that? Surely there's some communication channel between the moderators and administration, since if they ever do decide to change the site rules you'd need to communicate with them on how to enforce that. Is it all just DToast's personal whims unless his superiors say otherwise? Are there other people who can make those calls?

videospirit posted...

So who is responsible for that? Surely there's some communication channel between the moderators and administration, since if they ever do decide to change the site rules you'd need to communicate with them on how to enforce that. Is it all just DToast's personal whims unless his superiors say otherwise? Are there other people who can make those calls?

The people responsible for managing the site are the administrators, and they directly communicate with whoever's in charge of them at Fandom.

We naturally can talk to the admins when it concerns board moderation but otherwise whatever discussion happens between admins and Fandom obviously doesn't include us as we are not employees and do not need to be included.

Error1355 posted...

Just please do not be shocked when every single board you just linked here gets closed.

Add WOT to that list.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/408-wot

--Zero- posted...

This is such a hilarious state of affairs. The former politic users can go elsewhere. The mods were right about how toxic the user base was. They are refusing to listen to reason and logic because they want the admins to sit them down and answer their back and forth questions knowing it wont change things lol.

To channel the good and proper posters from Hellhole, who don't use abusive language at all...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/80461142

Fuck Off.

Unlike those mean, nasty, evil posters from 261.

Zonbei posted...

Sterolizer wont be shocked. Theyre doing it on purpose. You must know their shtick by now, right? They want all the politics boards shut down.

Yep.

He hangs out with Tails82 and Caution.

He's part of the group mass mailing DToast.

Sandalorn posted...

Dude is just a shit poster anyway. Look at his posts throughout threads...Just talking shit to everyone. It's amazing that it's all of this board's shit talkers dumping on 261.

For whatever disagreements we had on 261 we can agree on him.

I have him tagged as REDC basement music.

Alright alright Im upsetting the whiners. Ill leave them to keep shouting on their soapbox hoping someone from Fandom management will hear their pleas

--Zero- posted...

Alright alright Im upsetting the whiners. Ill leave them to keep shouting on their soapbox hoping someone from Fandom management will hear their pleas

You're too transparent to be an effective troll, sorry.

bfslick50 posted...

So if 261 users decide to move to a new board and make it more of a free-for-all does it still get closed? Clarification after this recent closure would be nice.

I heard back from the admins. It looks like the rule isn't just against boards with a political focus. Even if a board discusses multiple subjects, it would still violate the new terms of use.

That means social boards could also violate the new rules if they contain political discussions, even if it isn't the focus. CE could be on the chopping block.
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