Current Events > ''This whole country mollycoddles Christians and I'm fuckin tired of it''

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https://twitter.com/trinketmandrel/status/1673451779630022660

Can anyone please point out the lie here?

I'll wait.

If only that one minute clip of truth could be played on every computer screen, cell phone, and TV V for Vendetta style, because there are a lot of assholes in this country that need to be hit with that truth bomb.

Also, I love Trixie. Smart, funny, and a great singer also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2_KkCZbdfo

mercurydude posted...

Also, I love Trixie. Smart, funny, and a great singer also.

Agreed! I'm ecstatic over how she's moved into mainstream.

I don't see Christians get excused from class to go pray by themselves, tbh. I don't see shit talking Christians accused of hate speech.

But no, there isn't a lie here

Bad_Mojo posted...

I don't see Christians get excused from class to go pray by themselves, tbh. I don't see shit talking Christians accused of hate speech.

Maybe because Christians can pray openly in class without harassment or repercussion or even just being interrupted. They don't have to be othered because they're a minority.

Bad_Mojo posted...

I don't see Christians get excused from class to go pray by themselves, tbh. I don't see shit talking Christians accused of hate speech.

But no, there isn't a lie here

these are really weird points to make, since Christians aren't required to pray multiple times a day in the same way as Muslims are, and speaking negatively of other religions is often considered as hate speech because people either ignorantly conflate them with a type of people (like brown skinned people being assumed to be Muslim, for example), or there can be a an ethnic component (like people being ethnically Jewish).

DnDer posted...

Maybe because Christians can pray openly in class without harassment or repercussion or even just being interrupted. They don't have to be othered because they're a minority.

Those kids choose to go to another room to pray. I have never once seen a Christian pray at a school the whole time I went there, and the whole time I've worked at one.

And I'm not against them going off to pray, far from it. But I find it stupid to think that it's Christians that are coddled, just the wrong word. They're given all the power, what would that be called? Coddled is like, "Oh, we don't went to offend you. And if anyone says anything negative against your religion, they're just a racist bigot."

boxoto posted...

these are really weird points to make, since Christians aren't required to pray multiple times a day in the same way as Muslims are, and speaking negatively of other religions is often considered as hate speech because people either ignorantly conflate them with a type of people (like brown skinned people being assumed to be Muslim, for example), or there can be a an ethnic component (like people being ethnically Jewish).

I'm just focused on, "coddling," here. Meaning you have to treat them with baby gloves, and that isn't the Christians. Attacking Christians is, "Punching UP," to many people. That isn't being coddled, imo

it's not coddling to provide people a space, especially when members of the dominant group could have the same if they wanted.

it's like, having a vegetarian section on a menu at a restaurant that has all types of food.

It isnt so much individual Christians, but rather Christian special interest groups that get tax deductions and have political power.

Yeah, the coddling is from the government which bends over backwards for them.

boxoto posted...

it's not coddling to provide people a space, especially when members of the dominant group could have the same if they wanted.

Just forget it, lol. I'm just arguing semantics here. Say a joke about a Christian, that's okay. Say a joke about a Muslim, that's terrible thing. Say a joke about a Jewish person, that's even worse.

I get what the person in the video is saying, we need to stop giving a fuck about what Christians think as a Country. I'm just saying, that's not coddling

Bad_Mojo posted...

Just forget it, lol. I'm just arguing semantics here. Say a joke about a Christian, that's okay. Say a joke about a Muslim, that's terrible thing. Say a joke about a Jewish person, that's even worse.

I get what the person in the video is saying, we need to stop giving a fuck about what Christians think as a Country. I'm just saying, that's not coddling

If the only examples you can think of are how they choose to pray in school and people making jokes about them, then you're completely missing the point.

Bad_Mojo posted...

Just forget it, lol. I'm just arguing semantics here. Say a joke about a Christian, that's okay. Say a joke about a Muslim, that's terrible thing. Say a joke about a Jewish person, that's even worse.

Just forget it, lol. I'm just arguing semantics here. Say a joke about a Christian, that's okay. Say a joke about a Muslim, that's terrible thing. Say a joke about a Jewish person, that's even worse. Saying Christians are coddled is like saying white men are.

"I'm not interested in having discussions about the meaningful systemic privileges christianity recieves, like outright preferential/defferential treatment from the IRS leading to billionaire megapreachers with multiple mansions and private jets becoming a societal norm, or placing openly christian nationalist judges in federal judiciaries and the supreme court in order to explicitly legislate christian doctrine from the bench. i just mean you get cancelled for drunkenly ranting about jews during your DUI arrest but not for making cartoons mocking jesus. also, why no White Panther?"

Should have sent a poet.

HairyQueen posted...

If the only examples you can think of are how they choose to pray in school and people making jokes about them, then you're completely missing the point.

No, I just lack the words to describe what I'm trying to say. Just forget it. I agree with what OP's video is saying, I just think it's the wrong word is all.

Okay, here is something that I have thought about. What's your opinion on this -

So I work in a school kitchen and of course we have kids that can't eat pork. We always have three options, and the meat we usually get isn't pork. Like the pepperoni on the pizza is turkey, not pork. Well, one day we got pork pepperoni and had to use that. This is fine as the other option would have been just plain cheese or a salad, but we ran out of those on this particular day. So like always, when we run out of something between lunches, I bring out the Uncrustables, but those too are limited, so only the Muslim kids got to eat them.

Now, I get why. You get why. But how do you explain to elementary school kids that you have to be a certain religion to get the PBJ that day? Edit - Oh, and we're not even allowed to ask. If they say they can't eat pork, we can't question it. So of course we get kids saying they can't just to get the PBJ

Bad_Mojo posted...

Now, I get why. You get why. But how do you explain to elementary school kids that you have to be a certain religion to get the PBJ that day?

You tell them there are other kids that can't eat the pizza and there's not enough uncrustables for everybody, so saving the sandwiches for the kids that can't eat the pizza is the only way to make it so that everybody has a chance to eat lunch that day.

A_Good_Boy posted...

You tell them there are other kids that can't eat the pizza and there's not enough uncrustables for everybody, so saving the sandwiches for the kids that can't eat the pizza is the only way to make it so that everybody has a chance to eat lunch that day.

And why can't they eat the pizza? Because of their religion
Bad_Mojo posted...

have to be a certain religion to get the PBJ that day

That isn't fair to the kids that can't have the PBJ. I'm all for giving out the PBJs to the kids that can't eat pork, but it's 100% unfair that the other kids can't have PBJs because they're not Muslim. You're only thinking about the students that can't have pork, I'm thinking about all the students. Do you know how hard it is to tell them they can't have what they want? I have had kids legit crying because they want something that other kids have got, but they can't have.

Christians get mocked and belittled all the time in this country, which is ironic because their attitude towards law and freedom is what gave this drag queen the rights to live their life however they want. If they were born somewhere else less free, they probably wouldn't even be allowed to exist or perform in public.

If you want to make arguments about rights , at least admit christians were the majority that fought and died to give you a country you are safe enough to object in. You should also admit the predator priests we all hate were gay men that took advantage of their power when they were molesting those boys.

Bad_Mojo posted...

And why can't they eat the pizza? Because of their religion

That isn't fair to the kids that can't have the PBJ. I'm all for giving out the PBJs to the kids that can't eat pork, but it's 100% unfair that the other kids can't have PBJs because they're not Muslim. You're only thinking about the students that can't have pork, I'm thinking about all the students. Do you know how hard it is to tell them they can't have what they want? I have had kids legit crying because they want something that other kids have got, but they can't have.

So in trying to be fair to the other students your solution is to have the muslim students go hungry? How is that fair? Your job is to feed all of the students, not give everyone uncrustables until they run out.

Razor posted...

I think I've only seen two posts from you and they've both been awful.

JFC dude, get banned already.

A_Good_Boy posted...

I think I've only seen two posts from you and they've both been awful.

JFC dude, get banned already.

You disagree with what I said?

Razor posted...

Shut the fuck up.

Razor posted...

You disagree with what I said?

Shut the fuck up

nvm, keep posting. You'll get banned quicker.

So are you gonna try to rebuttal anything or..? Just be mad for no reason

Razor posted...

So are you gonna try to rebuttal anything or..? Just be mad for no reason

Bullshit comes out of a butt, there's no point in rebutting it.

pegusus123456 posted...

Bullshit comes out of a butt, there's no point in rebutting it.

Yea... because you can't. That's all

A_Good_Boy posted...

So in trying to be fair to the other students your solution is to have the muslim students go hungry? How is that fair? Your job is to feed all of the students, not give everyone uncrustables until they run out.

Okay

• This topic is about coddling to a religion
• TC, and the Queen in the video, say that we coddle to Christians
• I say we don't. Coddling, to me, says we over-protect. They can't handle something, so we must protect them. This is CE, so a, "White Knight," to a woman
• My counter is that isn't what we do to Christians, but what we do to other religions
• I gave an example - Kids getting excused from class to go and pray alone
• Someone says they have to, and someone asked for another point
• So I brought up how they can get special treats while the other kids don't
• Why? Oh, because their religion says they can't
• Which is more coddling to a religion, imo. Religion isn't an allergy that will make you sick to eat

Bad_Mojo posted...

Okay

* This topic is about coddling to a religion
* TC, and the Queen in the video, say that we coddle to Christians
* I say we don't. Coddling, to me, says we over-protect. They can't handle something, so we must protect them. This is CE, so a, "White Knight," to a woman
* My counter is that isn't what we do to Christians, but what we do to other religions
* I gave an example - Kids getting excused from class to go and pray alone
* Someone says they have to, and someone asked for another point
* So I brought up how they can get special treats while the other kids don't
* Why? Oh, because their religion says they can't
* Which is more coddling to a religion, imo. Religion isn't an allergy that will make you sick to eat

Coddling Christians and coddling other religions are not mutually exclusive. The point is that Christian beliefs have too much power over elections and legislation. Anti-LGBT bigotry is largely excused due to deeply held religious beliefs in this country, whereas most other western countries dontat nearly the same degreegut minorities civil liberties on behalf of or provide special privileges to Christian beliefs/groups.

HairyQueen posted...

Coddling Christians and coddling other religions are not mutually exclusive.

Bad_Mojo posted...

I'm just focused on, "coddling," here. Meaning you have to treat them with baby gloves

Catering would be more fitting, imo. We don't coddle them, we don't make exceptions for them.

Bad_Mojo posted...

I'm just focused on, "coddling," here. Meaning you have to treat them with baby gloves, and that isn't the Christians. Attacking Christians is, "Punching UP," to many people. That isn't being coddled, imo

Politicians, media, everyone... we have to culturally pretend Christians have some innate right to have their irrational beliefs coded into our laws.

That's just for starters.

The idea that Target wants to sell a few gender neutral swimsuits causes employee harassment and death threats, while asking a public, tax funded building to remove a Nativity scene or Ten Commandments also causes harassment and death threats from the same people.

Meanwhile, go to literally every store and you will find Christmas decorations and sales/events throughout the year corresponding to Christian holidays and the majority of complaints ares that employees aren't forced to coddle Christian enough by specifically wishing them a Merry Christmas instead of another pleasant seasonal greeting.

Bad_Mojo posted...

Catering would be more fitting, imo. We don't coddle them, we don't make exceptions for them.

Except that we still have Christian prayers in government buildings as part of the official workday agenda. Taxpayer funded Christmas trees and decorations in public spaces.

Torgo posted...

Except that we still have Christian prayers in government buildings as part of the official workday agenda. Taxpayer funded Christmas trees and decorations in public spaces.

Oh my god , someone call the cops. They are putting up fucking Christmas trees! A country founded by Christians has prayers. That must be really painful for you.

Torgo posted...

Politicians, media, everyone... we have to culturally pretend Christians have some innate right to have their irrational beliefs coded into our laws.

That's just for starters.

The idea that Target wants to sell a few gender neutral swimsuits causes employee harassment and death threats, while asking a public, tax funded building to remove a Nativity scene or Ten Commandments also causes harassment and death threats from the same people.

Meanwhile, go to literally every store and you will find Christmas decorations and sales/events throughout the year corresponding to Christian holidays and the majority of complaints ares that employees aren't forced to coddle Christian enough by specifically wishing them a Merry Christmas instead of another pleasant seasonal greeting.

That isn't coddling, imo

It's catering. It's just semantics.

You don't need to sell me on your point, I get your point.

Razor posted...

Oh my god , someone call the cops. They are putting up fucking Christmas trees! A country founded by Christians has prayers. That must be really painful for you.

The person I responded to said there is no special treatment/exceptions for Christians, so I listed some. Do you disagree?

You seem pretty entitled if just pointing out these obvious examples offends you.

Torgo posted...

Except that we still have Christian prayers in government buildings as part of the official workday agenda. Taxpayer funded Christmas trees and decorations in public spaces.

Make a joke about a Christian, please. Then make a joke about a Muslim. Then make a joke about a Jewish person. Make them all in separate posts and let's see which ones get your a ToS violation. That's what coddling is.

Making an entire Country's, separated by State of course /s, law based on a Religion would be catering to.

Torgo posted...

The person I responded to said there is no special treatment/exceptions for Christians, so I listed some. Do you disagree?

You seem pretty entitled if just pointing out these obvious examples offends you.

The person you responded to said there were more exceptions for non christians in his scenario.

Bad_Mojo posted...

It's catering. It's just semantics.

You are the one insisting we use your words and definitions.

If you want to talk about coddling, it's how we have to give the many obviously politically involved churches and preachers the benefit of the doubt of their tax-exempt status. When they send out actual voter guides to the congregation, I think it's time we call into question that status, but it's immediately met with blanket accusations of being anti-christian or anti-religion.

Bad_Mojo posted...

Make a joke about a Christian, please. Then make a joke about a Muslim. Then make a joke about a Jewish person. Make them all in separate posts and let's see which ones get your a ToS violation. That's what coddling is.

Making an entire Country's, separated by State of course /s, law based on a Religion would be catering to.

Exactly . Boom

Bad_Mojo posted...

Make a joke about a Christian, please. Then make a joke about a Muslim.

Okay... but I'd rather point out how both religions are terrible in their treatment of women and LGBTQ individuals, with Islam currently being the worse of the two.

You won't find me defending Islam....oh hell no.

EDIT: Just wanted to point out that there are some good, progressive congregations in both Christian and Muslim churches, and those should be pointed out and applauded.

Razor posted...

Christians get mocked and belittled all the time in this country, which is ironic because their attitude towards law and freedom is what gave this drag queen the rights to live their life however they want. If they were born somewhere else less free, they probably wouldn't even be allowed to exist or perform in public.

If you want to make arguments about rights , at least admit christians were the majority that fought and died to give you a country you are safe enough to object in. You should also admit the predator priests we all hate were gay men that took advantage of their power when they were molesting those boys.

Fake Christians: we fought for you freedom!
*Trans, gays, lesbians, cross dressers, Muslims, immigrants, etc exist*
Fake Christians: no not that freedom!

I put fake Christians cause any real Christian would be Christlike and would love these people and allow them to exist. If you disagree with christ your not Christian.

Tora_Sami posted...

Fake Christians: we fought for you freedom!
*Trans, gays, lesbians, cross dressers, Muslims, immigrants, etc exist*
Fake Christians: no not that freedom!

I put fake Christians cause any real Christian would be Christlike and would love these people and allow them to exist. If you disagree with christ your not Christian.

inb4 misapplication of no true Scotsman. Someones gonna do it.

Tora_Sami posted...

Fake Christians: we fought for you freedom!
*Trans, gays, lesbians, cross dressers, Muslims, immigrants, etc exist*
Fake Christians: no not that freedom!

I put fake Christians cause any real Christian would be Christlike and would love these people and allow them to exist. If you disagree with christ your not Christian.

While I agree with the basic sentiment of your post... and it is really good snark that I appreciate... I will take issue with one thing, kind of a pet-peeve of mine:

Who gets to determine which are the "real" or "fake" Christians? Every Christian denomination says they know the true path to salvation right?

Ultimately, the baseline for being a Christian is belief in the divinity and Resurrection of Jesus, right? So who gets to call out which are legitimate and which are not?

This leads to a "No True Christian" fallacy which is unhelpful because it allows bad faith actors to place all the Christians that act ethically in the "real" box and dismiss all the unpopular or harmful ones in the "fake" box and never take responsibility for what is being done in the name of their faith.

Dark_Arbron posted...

inb4 misapplication of no true Scotsman. Someones gonna do it.

Oh I know, and they can go fuck themselves.

Dark_Arbron posted...

inb4 misapplication of no true Scotsman. Someones gonna do it.

It isn't directly "no true Scotsman", it's more like gate-keeping that can lead to No True Scotsman. But I don't think Tora_sami was posting in bad faith.

Torgo posted...

While I agree with the basic sentiment of your post... and it is really good snark that I appreciate... I will take issue with one thing, kind of a pet-peeve of mine:

Who gets to determine which are the "real" or "fake" Christians? Every Christian denomination says they know the true path to salvation right?

Ultimately, the baseline for being a Christian is belief in the divinity and Resurrection of Jesus, right? So who gets to call out which are legitimate and which are not?

This leads to a "No True Christian" fallacy which is unhelpful because it allows bad faith actors to place all the Christians that act ethically in the "real" box and dismiss all the unpopular or harmful ones in the "fake" box and never take responsibility for what is being done in the name of their faith.

Christian means christ-like, if your not christ-like your not a Christian, period.

Torgo posted...

While I agree with the basic sentiment of your post... and it is really good snark that I appreciate... I will take issue with one thing, kind of a pet-peeve of mine:

Who gets to determine which are the "real" or "fake" Christians? Every Christian denomination says they know the true path to salvation right?

Ultimately, the baseline for being a Christian is belief in the divinity and Resurrection of Jesus, right? So who gets to call out which are legitimate and which are not?

This leads to a "No True Christian" fallacy which is unhelpful because it allows bad faith actors to place all the Christians that act ethically in the "real" box and dismiss all the unpopular or harmful ones in the "fake" box and never take responsibility for what is being done in the name of their faith.

I assume the baseline to be following his teachings. Not necessarily believing that he was divine, even if that idea is woven into the narrative.

Torgo posted...

It isn't directly "no true Scotsman", it's more like gate-keeping that can lead to No True Scotsman. But I don't think Tora_sami was posting in bad faith.

Yeah, thats why I was supporting him.

And I know youve been down the no true Christian rabbit hole before.

Tora_Sami posted...

Christian means christ-like, if your not christ-like your not a Christian, period.

Was Christ in favor of equality for women or not?
Most major churches including the Catholic Church, Mormon/LDS, Southern Baptist convention etc. say women are NOT equal... so are you saying they are all "fake" Christians?

I'm asking seriously what is your opinion on that.