Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 407: Lauren Boebert's Handiwork

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IDF admits to bombing the 3rd oldest church in the world.

"Oh but it was an accident, we missed what we were wanting to hit."

IDF admits to accidentally bombing the 3rd oldest church in the world.

Jordan is no longer the speaker nominee based on secret ballot. Reps are "back at square one" and will "start over" on Monday.

damn, was hoping the ballot grind out option was still on the table. A couple of Dems should have voted in favor to give him false hope.

https://apnews.com/article/alex-jones-infowars-bankruptcy-6c9f816e7328120113e5cf2b1987200e

Alex Jones can't use bankruptcy to not pay Sandy Hook victims.

Good. Fuck him, and I hope he becomes the world's only homeless person some day.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

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Republicans try not to be comically evil challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]

Though honestly 41% is more than I thought it would be. I do wonder what would happen to the results of the first poll if you took out the word supplies.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

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I demand a "the US should send weapons to Palestine" question to cover all options

Kenri posted...

I demand a "the US should send weapons to Palestine" question to cover all options

I genuinely thought that was what the second one was going to be after reading the first one haha.

LightningStrikes posted...

Though honestly 41% is more than I thought it would be. I do wonder what would happen to the results of the first poll if you took out the word supplies.

I'm more surprised the Republicans are a little more consistent than the Democrats on a question.

43% say "Don't send weapons" 41% say "Send aid to Gaza."

Meanwhile you've got a lot of Dems saying "Let's send Gaza aid to help with the weapons we're sending Israel to use against them."

I suspect there's a decent number of dems who are just like "Gaza is being attacked, and Israel is being attacked :( We should send aid to people who are being attacked :) geopolitics is easy as long as people are caring <3"

Whereas Republicans are more likely to just hate certain groups for no reason, leading to consistent (but horrible) beliefs in situations like this

well for once i made a good lifestyle choice and did not watch c-span for live coverage of the speaker nonsense but for the sake of the record:

Ballot 3:

Jeffries - 210
Jordan - 194
Scalise - 8
McHenry - 6
Zeldin - 4
Donalds - 2
McCarthy - 2
Emmer - 1
Garcia - 1
Westerman - 1

429 votes (4 members absent) so the number needed for a majority was 215. Anti-Jordan votes increased to 25.

Afterwards the GOP had another closed meeting and voted on whether Jordan should remain their nominee:

Remove Jordan as nominee - 112
Keep Jordan as nominee - 86
Present - 5
21 non-voters

So he's out and the GOP has gone home for the weekend.

I will say, I dont think those two Republican figures are exact mirrors of each other, I think there are definitely people saying should not on both questions due to isolationism, for instance. Would be interesting to see the crosstabs on this one.

Edit: Though honestly, I know the trouble with binary polls is that you can make people vouch for something they dont believe, but 30% of Dems opposing humanitarian aid is insane.

Should/should is a pretty consistent position, actually; Israel should receive assistance in fighting Hamas, and civilians in Gaza should receive aid because they're not Hamas. Pretty simple

Paratroopa1 posted...

Should/should is a pretty consistent position, actually; Israel should receive assistance in fighting Hamas, and civilians in Gaza should receive aid because they're not Hamas. Pretty simple

I think the issue with this is if you believe that Israel will take that assistance and use it to also fight things that are not Hamas

Like, say, civilians

KamikazePotato posted...

I think the issue with this is if you believe that Israel will take that assistance and use it to also fight things that are not Hamas

Like, say, civilians

Well, one might indeed believe that they're not doing that.

Also all the military aid for Israel, an advanced economy with a very advanced military, puts the recent hand-wringing about military aid for Ukraine into sharp relief. I definitely know which country needs it more!

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1716110236149260346

Remember that Australian billionaire that Trump told national security secrets about the capabilities of our nuclear submarines to? Well, it sounds like there are tapes (of the billionaire) where he describes his relationship with Trump. Along with info where he would "voluntarily" pay Mar-a-Lago $1m for tickets that cost way less ($50,000.) Also compares how Trump operates with the mafia.

The New York Times reports...

In his interviews with prosecutors, Mr. Pratt recounted how Mr. Trump once revealed to him sensitive information about American nuclear submarines, an episode that Mr. Trump denies. Another witness told prosecutors about hearing uncorroborated reports that Mr. Pratt spent $1 million for tickets to Mar-a-Lago New Year's Eve gala -- voluntarily paying the club a huge markup for tickets that actually cost $50,000 or less, according to two people with knowledge of the previously unreported testimony.

[...]

Behind closed doors, however, Mr. Pratt described Mr. Trump's business practices as being "like the mafia," according to covert recordings obtained by "60 Minutes Australia" and shared with The Times.

[..]

At one point, Mr. Pratt said, Mr. Trump discussed the phone call he had with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine earlier that year that had helped lead to Mr. Trump's first impeachment. "That was nothing compared to what I usually do," Mr. Trump said, in Mr. Pratt's recounting.

[...]

In a draft version of a speech Mr. Pratt gave to a Jewish group in the fall of 2019, he bluntly planned to reveal becoming a member of MAr-a-Lago to get a "seat at the table where the president relaxes socially, and mingles with his guests."

The draft speech, provided to The Times by "60 Minutes Australia," tracks closely with the remarks delivered by Mr. Pratt but contains several crossed-out lines that describe a transactional relationship with Mr. Trump. It is not clear whether Mr. Pratt himself wrote the speech or if he crossed out the lines.

Membership at Mar-a-Lago, one crossed-out line of the draft states, "definitely turned out to be a strategic investment -- and a very good investment."

Another crossed-out line: "President Trump is a very reciprocal man."

Oh hey, it's all the things Republicans are looking for with the Bidens.

What a shock.

Maniac64 posted...

Oh hey, it's all the things Republicans are looking for with the Bidens.

What a shock.

Republicans: "LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF WE THINK BIDEN IS DOING!"

Democrats: "Look at all the evidence of Trump actually doing the things you accuse Biden of."

Republican: "HE DID NOTHING WRONG!"

The GOP are no better than his civilian cult followers. An investigation could reveal Trump was going to sell all of Americas land and all of the non-rich citizens into slavery and hed still be called an American Patriot by them. Theyre completely lost to all reason/logic

I wonder if they will be able to tie his (the Australian billionaire's) claims about this relationship with Trump to specific deeds and secrets. Otherwise they (Republicans) will say he (the billionaire) was simply lying for clout.

https://twitter.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1716163262713094617?s=19

UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1716163262713094617?s=19

It's funny and sad, but it's also a unverified account with 6k followers.
If anything this is telling how our (and by our I mean the world) future is going to look like with AI.
So much low effort garbage. But for better or for worse, those images will get better, and then it will be harder to know the difference between real and fake and it will lead to so much fake news :/

Are you telling me you don't have that many arms? What a loser smfh

https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1716465932300653018

Oh, so if Trump manages to get re-elected he might just decide to pull us out of NATO. He sorta flirted with the idea as president and I have little doubt he'd try to destroy it if he got a second term.

no puppet

Trump is what you get when you put someone in charge who thinks they know a lot about politics, but actually knows very little about politics and isn't interested in learning what they don't know.

Is that something the executive branch can do by itself? Not that I'm sure this could stop him since the GOP might follow in lockstep behind Trump, but I'm just trying to understand what the situation is.

Yeah, the executive can unilaterally withdraw from NATO if they so choose. Congress has floated the idea of passing a law saying they can't without 2/3s of the Senate a number of times, including during Trump's term, but never passed it (think it's currently making the rounds again in the current Senate as well). Whether that kind of law itself would be constitutional, idk.

Even if they could not, the President being Commander in Chief could simply refuse to assist NATO or move troops out, etc. And withdraw in all but name.

Edit: Oh, apparently the current Senate actually got that NATO provision into the FY 2024 NDAA (the big defense spending bill that is generally considered a "must-pass") - but it still isn't fully passed by Congress and *looks at House* lmao. And again, I remain unclear if Congress can set that limitation or if it would be considered a breach of separation of powers. Also, the NDAA is currently in conference because the House bill is wildly different and so they have to agree to one version of the bill so idk if it survives that.

Ashethan posted...

Trump is what you get when you put someone in charge who thinks they know a lot about politics, but actually knows very little about politics and isn't interested in learning what they don't know.

Just like Elon with Twitter

https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1716538880415961256?s=19

Someone tell me this is fake.

I have to admit that "The British navy will be moving on from its tradition of employing Chinese laundrymen... by giving the work to Gurkhas" certainly sounds like a joke. However, I suspect it is merely one of the ways in which our timeline is the dumbest.

https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-confuses-turkish-and-hungarian-leaders-orban-erdogan/

lol

Hungarians were a Turkic people first though, perfectly excusable!

Not completely serious. Also I get the feeling ignorance is basically the opposite of "wokeness".

I mean if the Turkish opposition had put up a halfway decent candidate Erdogan would probably be gone by now and theres no way he stands again (he does not look healthy). Unfortunately I think we are going to be dealing with Orban for a long time to come.

By the way, said poor opposition candidate is refusing to resign as party leader, its like if John Kerry decided he wanted another go at it.

How many of trump's lawyers are going to plead guilty? We're at another one.

Jenna Ellis pleaded guilty while crying in court this morning. This was her mugshot two months ago.

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This now makes 4/19 in the Georgia RICO case who have pleaded guilty, three I think in the past week.

theyre only pleading guilty to lull the deep state into a false confidence, before the kraken storm comes very soon

Two months ago was still the fuck around phase. Now she's in the finding out stage.

I haven't heard the word Kraken in this context in years, had completely blocked out that part.

https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1716860804501278745

Is this legal? Asking for a friend

Reps voted for Tom Emmer in secret conference. He doesn't have enough support to win a floor vote.

Round and round we go.

Texas Rep. Troy Nehls says:
I think Donald Trump is our answer, he said. Maybe for the first time in the history of our democracy, we should consider somebody from the outside. I suggested, if we go to the House floor for a vote, it is our leader Donald J. Trump for 100 days.

Wouldnt an American Mario Draghi make sense? Someone from outside who is truly independent and happy to work with all factions?

Of course, that person is absolutely NOT Donald Trump.

LightningStrikes posted...

Someone from outside who is truly independent and happy to work with all factions?

I don't think anybody like that exists in the US currently, at least not at any particular level of influence. Sinema/Manchin maybe?

Sinema never seems particularly happy to work with the democrats tbqh

I vote for Neil deGrasse Tyson

speaking as a democrat, emmer is basically the best case scenario for a gop speaker since he supports funding ukraine/didn't vote to decertify the election/isn't rabidly anti lgbt/actually wants the government to function and works with democrats on compromise legislation. of course since he would be palatable for the majority of lawmakers and americans the extreme right cultist faction will never give him the votes he needs and the house will remain without a speaker for the foreseeable future. i would love to be wrong but i seriously doubt they go with emmer

If what you say is true...could some Dems actually vote for him in a floor vote? Or is the politic-ing of watching the Reps implode too strong a factor?

andel posted...

speaking as a democrat, emmer is basically the best case scenario for a gop speaker since he supports funding ukraine/didn't vote to decertify the election/isn't rabidly anti lgbt/actually wants the government to function and works with democrats on compromise legislation. of course since he would be palatable for the majority of lawmakers and americans the extreme right cultist faction will never give him the votes he needs and the house will remain without a speaker for the foreseeable future. i would love to be wrong but i seriously doubt they go with emmer

As you were typing this he dropped out, for real.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/0/6/AAXBdhAAE-Cy.jpg

Life comes at you pretty fast.

Seanchan posted...

If what you say is true...could some Dems actually vote for him in a floor vote? Or is the politic-ing of watching the Reps implode too strong a factor?

i think dems would definitely take him over most, the problem is he wouldn't accept democrat votes because it would be career suicide. emmer isn't even a moderate, he is just one of the closest things the house gop has to one.

kevwaffles posted...

As you were typing this he dropped out, for real.

smh

Not surprised he dropped, and probably because he realized that very thing. Getting elected with Dem votes is something that no Republican wants the optics of. Guaranteed they will be labeled as a RINO for anything left of favor right.