Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 3: Oh no, Yamcha's been Yamcha'd!

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wallmasterz posted...

Correct, I dont think any amount of prep time could help a scum Dumey. Hes clearly not protection because, well, *gestures to corriks corpse*. Not really sure if we have a standard cop or not due to Sultans flip. Cop, if there is a cop, do not out yourself if Dumey fake claims cop. Nothing Dumey said made it seem likely hed scan Corrik anyway. If he is unlucky town that sucks but we cant really give the benefit of the doubt at this point.

F*** me, I'm stressed out now!

This post from Wallz reads a little weird to me though. Not sure if just my perspective. One scum is dead, but he says "at this point" like we're behind and can't take risks? Sounds like scum pleased that someone else got caught being seen and eager to not give any wiggle room.

Keep in mind the sign-up thread first post (since we don't have rules to refer back to :) ) that very clearly state to meta at your own risk in a blade game. Corrik is someone scum would DEFINITELY use a Ninja kill on imo, because he's generally one of the most obvious watch targets in the game if no power was revealed day 1. Assuming there's no Chris or Han or other person that scum teams also love taking opportunities to get rid of them early.

At this point as in you were the only person seen visiting the nk.

Dumey my pal, let me let you in on a little secret. If I were scum and you were town Id be keeping my mouth shut and blending in with the folks who are barely participating and making no or next to no reads, trusting that your demise would be inevitable and Id casually go along with it. Im thinking of ctes, IGCD - good players not engaged with solving. Abacus and mzero, barely here or not here at all. Red, talking about Disneyland and nothing else. Plum, advocating for NL and complaining about hating mafia players but not much else.

Its a shame Lea and Corrik got killed, but not a coincidence. Scums angle is probably just to kill everyone whos actually playing the damn game then coast to a dub.

masterplum posted...

thats not good. It probably means some of the apathetic players are town as they arent all going to be scum. Mzero? Abacus?

This is some nonsense logic.

My gut says ulti looked scummy as shit day 1 too. Very little presence.

But sbell knowledge means some rereading later.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I'll let Chang give the thumbs up or thumbs down.

The claim reads like a bunch of shit talked over in scum discord.

Talks about being busy with friends but then a big pile of information.

Also motion detector has no reason to target scum neighbor.

They are already confirmed role as neighbor. They dont have much chance of also moving at night.

Red. Can you elaborate on what you found scummy about Ultis d1? At first I thought he seemed a bit off, and his short lived BCT test for player reactions he didnt actually wait for was quite weird, as was BCTs reaction to it. Thats my biggest questionable takeaway on him. Since then, getting a slight town vibe.

i think regardless we have to lynch. i know abacus claimed a renamed role as well but the rename doesn't make much sense here.

and the role itself is a little strange too because it's theoretically another retooled cop after we already had one retooled cop flip in sultan.

also why would you not scan the claimed vanilla (BCT) if you made the connection to it being like a vanilla cop

Oh yeah and I didnt like ulti saying I never tunnel scum right around the time I was suspecting sbell.

I'm good with killing Dumey for today. But seriously Chang, you could have held back a little bit on your info.

When I saw Sultan's flip it occurred to me that his results would make it sound like all of the neighbors would be millers. And if there's any funny business like of Ulti's game where a town player could otherwise communicate outside of the topic, like how foolmo did, they'd also scan guilty to Sultan. Quite clever from our dear host.

D1 votes:
[6] Sultan - (IGCD), (Death), (Dumey), (Lea), red, (Corrik), Lea, Dumey, Peaf, FD, Wallz
[3] FD - (red), (BCT), (Plum), IGCD, BCT, Plum
[2] Wallz - Chang, (Peaf), Death
[2] Abacus - Ulti, (Wallz), (Corrik), (IGCD), Sultan, (Lea), (chang), (Wallz), (FD)
[2] Dumey - Abacus, (Sultan), (IGCD), Corrik
[1] Plum - MZero, (Sultan)
[0] No Lynch - (Plum), (Plum)
[0] Corrik - (Dumey)
[0] BCT - (Ulti), (Lea), (Corrik), (Lea)
[0] Sbell - (BCT), (Peaf), (Wallz)
[0] Ulti - (Peaf), (Sultan), (IGCD), (Corrik)
[0] Peaf - (Dumey)
[0] Death - (Sultan)

Underlined lea because we don't actually know what alignment she was. But i think her being town makes sense, unless someone else can claim the sbell kill and unless there's a second kill again on n2, in which case we will need to reassess.

I moved Wallz to the end of the Sultan train from the official votals because he was the last one on.

So here's what gets me with Dumey being scum. At day end of was basically between Wallz, fd, and sultan. Dumey really did not want to vote wallz. Fd voting for Sultan makes sense out of self preservation. By the time Wallz voted, he was already out of contention because i unvoted him and put Sultan at 4. Dumey put Sultan at 3 but things were still up in the air. Like Plum said at the time, we were just letting scum pick the target.

But if all 3 were town, why would Dumey care to have a Sultan preference? All 3 are good players in their own right, but Dumey as scum could just sit back and not worry about it. So my argument is, Dumey picked Sultan and avoided Wallz for a reason. And it's because Wallz is his buddy.

Edit to correct a Corrik italics

find yourself a man who is as obsessed with you as peaf is with me

BCT has given zero thoughts so far I believe other than saying to vote FD. BCT, want to say anything?

Ok now that i got that off my chest let me get to:

changmas posted...

You have 6 options here, and i'd guess around 2 or 3 of them are scum:

Red: red spent almost the entire day either talking about how to visit disneyland best or being surprised at people's word choice in completely random posts. he voted sultan for being "kind of a quiet one" and then skipped deadline. That's an extremely poor showing, even by red's day 1 standards.

I was a little surprised when basically no one except for sbell engaged with me in my "i don't think fd and red are scum together" review. From fd's pov i can see where it was worth ignoring since he brought it up and he already knows his alignment, and i can see a similar argument from red's pov. But the thing that surprised me the most about this for red is that he... didn't really admonish me in any way. He's been visibly exhausted and irritated by me suspecting him before, and by me being loud and dumb before too. So why not now?

Peaf: peaf's vote honestly makes no sense to me. he was on board with voting for wallz and then suddenly swaps to sultan because of some flimsy reasoning about lea and sultan having a history of bussing. There wasn't even another candidate gaining steam! absolutely no reason to swap votes to sultan if you were fine with wallz or sultan lynch. just a very very strange move, and he frames it as being led to do so by dumey. but dumey was asking Peaf why he should swap to Wallz!

It was, in retrospect, incredibly stupid. I don't know why i went onto a train filled with people that i had either lean- bad or full- bad vibes from, especially since it meant getting off of a potential train where the other voters (you and death) were my strongest town reads! Part of it was definitely that i was in my own head, what with the conversation with Wallz just prior to me switching my vote, where i said i know i tend to have bad scum reads when I'm not also under the microscope on day 1. I was second guessing myself since LoudWrongPeaf has already helped push a lot of d1 mislynches lately (isn't that right, bct? And Marth isn't here but he's in that count).

So I'll chalk it up to panicking because i had fd in my lean town pile and really didn't want him to get lynched from a freak accident. I thought Sultan was town too, but less so than fd. I panicked and picked the lesser of two evils in my eyes.

wallmasterz posted...

find yourself a man who is as obsessed with you as peaf is with me

BCT has given zero thoughts so far I believe other than saying to vote FD. BCT, want to say anything?

Not my fault you're directly linked to one dead scum and one scum dead to rights.

Tag

More late night thoughts.

Corrik's flip didn't say Miller on it, right? So that must have been elsewhere in his pm.

I didn't fully comprehend sbell's flip until now. Like how you read a MTG card and you know what the words all mean individually, but you don't really know how it truly works until you misplay with the card at least once.
He wasn't just janitor, he was strongman janitor.

Dumey, can you explain why you targeted a neighbor?

I wonder if Lea or Corrik mentioned/suspected someone who was a mafia member

To comment on some outstanding thoughts:

Wallz, my first post was written expecting to not have things come up. You being so hung up on that first post to my second is a bit odd.

Dumey my vote stayed on you the previous day because on the page that I was on people were talking about you being suspicious.

About my full write up - I am not a cop. I can throw someone in jail and they are protected, but also role blocked.

UltimaterializerX posted...

A lot of people need to explain wtf that end of day was. Also, imagine my utter surprise that another player that was actually bothering to put in effort got lynched day one over inactives. Shocking. Truly a random act that never happens ever.

##Vote: Abacus

Enough of this.

So uh, Ulti. I like Sultan and respect his play. But was he actually really doing much of anything on d1? And he was in contention with other active players. One of them would have gone no matter what, so your words here are quite hollow.

I gave a lot of inactives a pass on d1 for a host of reasons. I do hope they give us something a bit more to work with today. In fact, Abacus telling us who he targeted would be a great way for him to put a good foot forward.

ViolentAbacus posted...

I wonder if Lea or Corrik mentioned/suspected someone who was a mafia member

Perhaps, but they're both very formidable players and are worth being killed n1 in their own rights.

PeaceFrog posted...

n fact, Abacus telling us who he targeted would be a great way for him to put a good foot forward.

I would rather wait to see what other people think about that. At most right now I can say my action succeeded.

PeaceFrog posted...

Perhaps, but they're both very formidable players and are worth being killed n1 in their own rights.

That's fair, but also feel it may be worth seeing who they were mostly talking about. Especially if there was overlap between Sultan Votes and who they talked about.

wallmasterz posted...

Especially in light of Dumey being basically confirmed as scum

wanted peaf to address this before i did so now that he did...

assuming dumey flips scum, peaf is like 99% assuredly town. it makes no sense for him to knowingly swap trains for effectively no reason if he's scum and they're coordinating things in scum chat

So I investigated someone last night and I found out absolutely nothing.

wallmasterz posted...

BCT, want to say anything?

I'm good.

I'm taking it REALLY slow this game. Also I was busy conquering Italy. Actually succeeded this time!

PeaceFrog posted...

I like Sultan and respect his play. But was he actually really doing much of anything on d1?

I repeat: I think he was low-effort because Champs.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I meant to claim in that post.

I'm a vanilla, which I'm sure some goof already figured out night 1 instead of actually going and scanning the players that matter.

I'm a terror and a goof eh?

Corrik7 posted...

I approve of Edumey, Wallz, or FD. I would accept Chang without the same stamp of approval.

Corrik's last post (I think) for people's interest. I haven't caught up on the previous day, but may be worth paying attention. Especially if people are linking Dumey and Wallz.

I tried for Lea, but alas I get too annoyed with how many things have lea in them/

anyways while we wait for the EU crew to wake up and everybody to get their 2 cents in anybody bored and wanna chat about hobbies and stuff

i've been playing the One Piece TCG recently which as my first physical card game has been a bit expensive but fun! going to my first (online) regional next weekend so we'll see how that goes after i won a couple locals.

also my friend lent me his (cheapest) camera and I've been trying out some photography out and about for fun, though I know nothing of technique or anything. anyone else have a camera they like to use?

ViolentAbacus posted...

Corrik's last post (I think) for people's interest. I haven't caught up on the previous day, but may be worth paying attention. Especially if people are linking Dumey and Wallz.

Do go on for why Corrik's reads should automatically clear Dumey and Wall. Town is allowed to be wrong. Corrik was town.

Sounds to me like you might be protecting somebody, and I really don't know if I like that.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Do go on for why Corrik's reads should automatically clear Dumey and Wall.

I am curious on where you got "automatically cleared" from my post.

I was going in the direction of if people are linking them together, and Corrik7 named dropped two of them, then it's something to pay attention to

UltimaterializerX posted...

Did you seriously waste an innocent scan on me again?

I appreciate it and all but lmao, jesus bro I practically begged you to scan someone else. Im not a hard guy to read.

Thanos says otherwise

Chang I would like the entirety of how your role/scan played out in neighbor chatm

Not for me anyways lol

@UltimaterializerX i would prefer to know thoughts beyond Dumey.

Leafeon13N posted...

Chang I would like the entirety of how your role/scan played out in neighbor chatm

i never claimed in neighbor chat. None of us did

And corrik was removed from the chat immediately when night actions were due before i got any word back from the hosts, so it would just be FD i was explaining things to after that and he might be scum

changmas posted...

i never claimed in neighbor chat. None of us did

And corrik was removed from the chat immediately when night actions were due before i got any word back from the hosts, so it would just be FD i was explaining things to after that and he might be scum

Oh no talk at all whatsoever?

Not even anything recently.

Leafeon13N posted...

Oh no talk at all whatsoever?

Not even anything recently.

FD hasnt been back online since the topic went up. I think he mentioned a family event he was going to tonight.

As soon as the topic went up it was like a oh shit corriks gone and then he dipped out for his IRL thing so expecting some thoughts from him later tonight or tomorrow for sure

Imteresting.

Ironically this is how it went down

me: FD what do you plan to do in the scenario where you go hard on corrik for 36 hours and then he says "oh yeah i was joking about the miller thing"
which is incredibly predictable on my end

FD: Pivot to wallz

me: why don't we just fastforward through this then
i already know that's going to happen

FD: You're welcome to push wallz. I'm going to push the guy who is effectively claiming "double miller"

me: oh shit
i think he died
he's not in the discord anymore
@FD

FD: Yeah the topic just went up
I guess I'll post my post anyways since I do have to go away now

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I'm good.

I'm taking it REALLY slow this game. Also I was busy conquering Italy. Actually succeeded this time!

I repeat: I think he was low-effort because Champs.

You know who else wanted to take it slowly this game? Sbell.

ViolentAbacus posted...

Wallz, my first post was written expecting to not have things come up. You being so hung up on that first post to my second is a bit odd.

Yes, it definitely came across like you had no expectation of irl stuff taking you away from the game. So why would you supposedly roll a d20 to cast a random vote and say see ya tomorrow if you werent expecting things to come up? Did you not feel it was worth your time to participate in d1?

Hahaha

No way EDumey uses that kind of scan on Corrik instead of the actual claimed vanilla
Since, yaknow, Neighbors sometimes get extra powers

Abacus wasnt even roleblocked?
Hrm the simple ratbrain conclusion would be: he is scum, or he blocked the scumblocker.

But I will refrain from conclusions until I hear who he targeted.

htaeD posted...

No way EDumey uses that kind of scan on Corrik instead of the actual claimed vanilla

yeah i feel the same way

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm gonna be hanging out with family and watching the fresno state game for most of tonight and will either check in very late or sometime tomorrow.

Very late tonight it is. Sad at how the football game turned out, but still had a good time of food/games/movies with the family.

First I'm upset I wasted so much time talking to corrik in the neighbor chat. I let him know I believed he was scum and that I believed he could ONLY be scum if he was sticking to his miller claim. And yet still he persisted.

But it just didn't make sense. The Sultan flip meant that all 3 of the neighbors were "millers" to that specific type of scan since we had an outside method of communication. It just didn't make sense for ALL of us to scan guilty to Sultan and for Corrik to separately scan guilty to a normal cop scan. I understand we meta flavor at our own risk, but to me there's a difference between trying to meta the balance and recognizing situations that are actually just not possible.

And as it turned out, it wasn't possible. He was lying about being miller and he couldn't be bothered to be straight about it, even in the neighbor chat after finding out that all 3 of us would have scanned guilty to Sultan.

Speaking of Sultan, he lied too. His 24 hour bullshit just didn't seem possible, didn't seem real. And it WASN'T. Maybe if you are a scanner you shouldn't make random shit up? Because people who are just trying to do right will detect your BS and think it makes you scum. So that's two towns who just lied about unnecessary things.

...

But that was the past. That was the day 1 lynch and that was the majority over my overnight focus. I see from a very basic skimming that chang saw dumey visit corrik. I feel only slightly betrayed that chang didn't confide in me, but I understand it. There has been a clear level of distrust among all of us neighbors from the beginning. Although the Sultan flip gives me more reason to believe that it could possibly be 3 town since we all would have the drawback of scanning "guilty" to sultan.

Also the fact that I have a hard time believing that a scum chang would try this sort of gambit since he would potentially be trading 1 for 1 if Dumey isn't scum and that's typically not a winning recipe for scum.

But then perhaps the reason we're labeled neighbors instead of masons is there could be some sort of recruiting role in the game and so even if we began the game as 3 town the possibility exists that allegiances could change?

So the scenarios as I see them:

1) chang is town, and he saw scum dumey visit(kill) corrik

2) chang is scum, and for some reason his killing action also behaves as a watcher (all the better to frame someone with?)

3) chang is town AND dumey is town, meanwhile an unknown 3rd person killed corrik with a ninja.

...

1 feels far and away the most likely. 3 feels least likely, but it sure would be terrible if that were the case since it could lead us to consecutive mislynches. 2 is worth considering, but after scum sbell went down already it feels like an unnecessary gambit to make at this point.

Leafeon13N posted...

Chang I would like the entirety of how your role/scan played out in neighbor chatm

As chang mentioned the first I heard about it was when I was able to catch back up on the topic. And it was probably not worth it for chang to have mentioned his results until after he saw corrik flip. But by that point corrik had been removed from neighbor chat and I was gone for the evening.

But the few hours leading up to the day going live were probably some of the most active we have had in the neighbor chat. Mostly corrik badgering me me for suspecting him, but I legitimately couldn't bring myself to consider anything else. I saw an impossible scenario in front of me and I needed that impossibility to be resolved before I could look past it. I'm sad to lose a neighbor, but part of me is glad that now I'm not going to spend my entire day gunning for his head on the back of his impossible claim. So thanks for that, Dumey lol

..

But now the two scenarios (from my perspective) for the end of day 1 are:

Sultan, FD and Wallz were all town and it was just towns moving votes around to other towns with minimal scum interference
OR
Wallz is scum and there was possibly some thumbs on scales to keep him safe.

I guess you could consider Abacus instead of Wallz, but I think by the time we were hitting the final 30 minutes it was clear that we were not coming back around to Abacus and it was between Sultan, Wallz and Myself.

Now I did appreciate Dumey being vocal against lynching me, but even at the time I considered that it might have possible been Dumey trying to pocket me. Peaf was also arguing for my safety at the tail end, although Peaf had previously been on wallz. But out of the 5 Sultan votes it could potentially be Dumey and Wallz keeping the scales tipped so a last second wallz vote would be less likely. Possibly red as well, his Sultan vote was from much earlier and was never removed.

If we want to read wayyyy too much into SBell's flip text I wonder if it's possible that Sbell killed himself?

Spoilers for Looper but In the movie present day assassins (loopers) are hired to kill people who get sent back in time by the organized crime forces of the future. So from the perspective of the future one of the victims disappears from that timeline only to have been killed many years prior. This is how Lea could be targeted night 1 and appear to have been dead as of day 1. But the only thing about the loopers is that their future selves will eventually be sent back in time to be killed as well, and the looper will be tasked with killing their future selves, also known as "closing their loop". Is it possible that Sbell's action was so strong that to balance it he died when he used it?

Can't know for sure what happened though so for now it's probably safe to assume the mechanics fit what we would expect from a janitor-ish role and not to think too closely about the flavor.

But day 1 will need to be re-read with the perspective of scum sbell and town corrik, which sounds like a task for tomorrow.

I would assume the role does exactly what it says it does.

A townvig shooting Sbell is not even an unlikely conclusion. A lot of players expressed distrust of him.