Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 3: Oh no, Yamcha's been Yamcha'd!

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Are we under the assumption that Lea is actually dead because Sbell's flip doesn't say anything about it actually killing his target

I believe thats the implication
Flavorwise: Sbell sent the present Lea back into the past so she would die day1, even though the past Lea was alive at the same time. And since she is gone from the present, nobody could target her or see her flip.

Unfortunate for the coalition of course.
At least I can see scum shoot Lea regardless of what you are.

Death do you have any thoughts that aren't things we could easily surmise.

Sure
But its a work in progress.
I mean there are things like me not liking FD for voting Sultan over Wallz or me not liking Wallz barely being present for deadline but ensuring that Sultan died at the end of the day. But I believe you can 'easily surmise' that as well.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

But then perhaps the reason we're labeled neighbors instead of masons is there could be some sort of recruiting role in the game and so even if we began the game as 3 town the possibility exists that allegiances could change?

Could it just be that if you were masons, you would stay in chat after death instead of going to dtc?

EDumey posted...

I am Ryotaro Dojima, TOWN Veteran Detective. I can investigate one player and see if they have the ability to move at night. Don't get to see if they did move, or where, just whether they can. Essentially a vanilla scanner.

Not to bury him further, but I think Town dumey is smart enough to know that some town have passive abilities and not every non- vanilla is a moving non- vanilla. His last sentence here only makes sense if that is his scum ability

I believe Masons are never scum/town pairs, and thats why neighbors exist
Masons can also talk to each other even after one of them dies at least

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Are we under the assumption that Lea is actually dead because Sbell's flip doesn't say anything about it actually killing his target

I am under the assumption that sbell was strongman janitor, yes.

@ abacus - one more good reason to kill Corrik is that he was throwing a lot of shade onto his partners, and if he flips town it makes the other neighbors look a lot worse.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I repeat: I think he was low-effort because Champs.

Hi bct. Thanks for engaging. Let's you and me take this line of thought just one step further.

Sultan was low effort because of champs. I agree that that's likely. Fd and wallz were both very present and had a big d1 presence. So as scum, why did Dumey prefer a Sultan lynch?
I propose:

1. Wallz is scum, and dumey did not want to bus his mate that hard on day 1 if there was a perfectly good train going on an unclaimed town.
2. He knew i was adamantly against fd in a way that i was not against Sultan and there weren't many other people around, besides the people on the chopping block. So if he went after fd, i would likely stay on wallz. In that scenario, it's likely that fd votes wallz and wallz votes fd, bringing us to a d1 tiebreaker with scum on the line. Not a fun time for them.
3. Therefore, voting Sultan was the only avenue for Dumey to secure wallz' safety.

As for why didn't other scum come out of the woodwork to save wallz?
Well, sbell couldn't. He flat out told me that he had no opinion on wallz before going afk for the rest of the day.

If at least one of ctes and mzero are scum then well, they weren't present either because of time zones.

And plum was present and trying to get something going on fd in case Sultan didn't take off.

Those 3 are my main poe at this point.

Igcd, can you please elaborate on the Ulti thing? You're claiming you scanned him innocent, when a cop died d1?

I guess that argument holds for a lot of other people too, like Ulti and abacus, who were not here at deadline and would not have been scummoned from their chat just to potentially save wallz if they are scum with him

Gonna ISO Sbell anyway, but I wanted to look at how things started first.

Sbell pointed out how BCT didnt overreact to a vote on him. When Wallz asked him whether this wss a good or bad thing, Sbell gave a jokey nonanswer.
Peaf voted Sbell first for not passing the vibe check
Then Dumey said he liked Wallz better for asking Sbell question.
Frankly I find it odd that he compared Peafs approach with Sbells at all, one was outright accusation and the other was merely mild interrogation about 3rd partys.
Yes Wallz voted Sbell on the next page, but he had not called Sbell scummy yet when Edumey made his posts. Either way thats a possible bias towards Wallz and against Peaf.
That said Wallz arguments against Sbell were not light and would put a lot of unneeded pressure on a scummate if he was scum as well.
(I do wonder if it meant something that Wallz responded in a way that sounded sarcastic, but he denied wanting to be sarcastic.)

Anyway if Wallz had reacted to Sbells posts right away (particularly the one about Sbell wishing for a slow pace), I might have been able to say at least Wallz' attack on Sbell was not planned out.
But since there is a good 15 minutes in between, Wallz could just as easily have prepared Sbell for this on the scumboard.

PeaceFrog posted...

Oh we are absolutely not in a coalition. If i had two guns right now, sbell and wallz would both be dead.

Hmm
Obellisk posted...

Can we not give peaf any guns please.

Lol either way

Peaf and Changmas were the only players to consider voting Sbell yesterday near the end of the game. The statement that Wallz dropped Sbell easily is indeed correct.

That said Peaf you also did kinda give up on trying to get people to vote Wallz near the end of the day there.

Yeah. I already explained it last night in a reply to chang, but i didn't really think i had a chance to get anyone over, and i didn't want to rehash my same argument again (which, frankly, was not very strong in the absence of an sbell confirmation), and i was on mobile where vote formatting is a bitch. Sorry to Sultan but it saved fd.

Side note - i think Sbell has died at night as scum more than any other player since i started playing again. Dude really can not catch a break.

htaeD posted...

Peaf and Changmas were the only players to consider voting Sbell yesterday near the end of the game. The statement that Wallz dropped Sbell easily is indeed correct.

Cant win apparently. Either Im tunneling and get tuned out or Im dropping people too easily. Does anyone seriously believe I couldve gotten an sbell train going? I couldnt do it a couple games ago when it was more obvious sbell was scum and I never shut up about it.

Wallz, you didn't mention sbell at all in the last 4 hours of the day. You mentioned mzero twice, even saying that you wouldn't oppose a policy lynch on him. And you mentioned abacus, and voted for Sultan. You got antsy with me putting your name out there, but never once did you go back to suggesting sbell. You totally ignored the post i made where i tried to put his name in contention. Plum at least called it stupid or whatever

PeaceFrog posted...

Side note - i think Sbell has died at night as scum more than any other player since i started playing again. Dude really can not catch a break.

also I shot him in the face as dayvig

hello MZero hows it going?

any thoughts on this game or just elden ring mafia ones

I haven't read sorry

Dumey's role sounds fake cause all scum can move by virtue of factional kill. Thus, scum would not be able to claim vanilla

Abacus, BCT, ctes, IGCD and plum all coasting/farting around/trying to be under radar and need to provide thoughts. Mzero is almost certainly town unless he copied scum ctes using dayvig on scummate from last game. Dont like BCTs comment about taking a VERY slow start to the game and his unusual behavior. Less active ctes is typically scum ctes. IGCD is a great player who didnt bring his teeth. But if I had to guess, scum IGCD would be trying harder to look town? Plum has only complained not played. Red is seemingly starting to wake up a little but Id welcome more content.

MZero isnt claiming to have killed SBell in this game

hes adding one to the tally of how many times scum SBell has gotten the short end of the stick, referencing when he shot scum SBell in Elden Ring mafia

Ah thank you, that was a reading comprehension fail. Back to mzero looking like a fine lynch candidate then

Your comment about mzero talking about more than elden ring mafia makes a lot more sense now

UltimaterializerX posted...

Scum IGCD never green checks me to clear me town. Im too easy to mislynch and removing me from the pool of mislynches to win is silly.

Why the hell would IGCD out himself as cop or some other investigative role just to say you scanned innocent when you were in no danger of being lynched today. And if you're an investigative role who saw sultan's flip and dumey's claim how do you not immediately vote dumey

I assume IGCD is just continuing the annoying trend of lying town, that or scum.

If we nuked BCT, ctes, Dumey, mzero and plum I bet you town wins handily. Guessing 3-4 scum there. Abacus, verdict is out now after a little more thought I will elaborate on later.

MZero posted...

I haven't read sorry

Dumey's role sounds fake cause all scum can move by virtue of factional kill. Thus, scum would not be able to claim vanilla

When are you going to read and catch up?

Dumey is all but in the grave today, sure, but that doesn't mean we should allow full on non participation.

Changed my mind on abacus. If only abacus, BCT and mzero spent a fraction of the time here theyre spending active on discord. *sips tea*

wallmasterz posted...

If we nuked BCT, ctes, Dumey, mzero and plum I bet you town wins handily. Guessing 3-4 scum there. Abacus, verdict is out now after a little more thought I will elaborate on later.

Can you say anything about how sbell's flip recontextualizes anything from day 1 for you?

If abacus' role is real then its interactions with sbell are a little bit funny, since sbell's janitor also makes the target otherwise untargetable. So if lea was vig and shot sbell, and abacus tried to jk her, then sbell would only die in that situation if he made it so that lea couldn't be targeted by abacus.

@ chang - as confirmed neighbor and basically confirmed town, do you think abacus should reveal his n1 target? I think yes for a few reasons:
1. If he is scum then locking him in to a n1 claim earlier means he has less wiggle room in the future.
2. If he is town then he is informing us who he roleblocked n1 which could be useful information for us to assess later.
2 addendum. The target should not confirm if they were or were not blocked because we don't need power outing themselves if they are power, or a non acting role to give that info to scum and increase the likelihood of scum hitting power with kills at night (even though I'd bet that chang or fd will have to die tonight)

Are we assuming Lea shot sbell? That seems a stretch to believe that they happened to target each other night 1.

I just assumed the vig was deliberately choosing not to come forward, which is good because they shouldn't. We don't need any more night 1 info today, we just need the quiet people to show up and provide thoughts and opinions.

PeaceFrog posted...

(even though I'd bet that chang or fd will have to die tonight)

Would scum risk targeting the claimed power in chang and hope it doesn't get stopped somehow? And would scum bother targeting me and risk being seen by chang? Or removing a potential mislynch from the pool?

Far be it from me to tell scum how to do their jobs, but that feels like poor target selection. And yes, I'm absolutely just saying this to increase my own odds of survival

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Are we assuming Lea shot sbell? That seems a stretch to believe that they happened to target each other night 1.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that if abacus is being truthful about his role, and if he were to target Lea at the same time as sbell, AND lea is vig AND shot sbell, it would be hilarious.

A comment on game setup unrelated to the actual game at play that brought a smile to my face.

Fd since you're here and you earlier agreed with me that abacus should reveal who he targeted, do you agree with the reasons that i laid out for that being the correct move to make?

PeaceFrog posted...

As for why didn't other scum come out of the woodwork to save wallz?
Well, sbell couldn't. He flat out told me that he had no opinion on wallz before going afk for the rest of the day.

If at least one of ctes and mzero are scum then well, they weren't present either because of time zones.

And plum was present and trying to get something going on fd in case Sultan didn't take off.

Those 3 are my main poe at this point.

Igcd, can you please elaborate on the Ulti thing? You're claiming you scanned him innocent, when a cop died d1?

I said I learned absolutely nothing as in I was role blocked.

PeaceFrog posted...

@ chang - as confirmed neighbor and basically confirmed town, do you think abacus should reveal his n1 target? I think yes for a few reasons:
1. If he is scum then locking him in to a n1 claim earlier means he has less wiggle room in the future.
2. If he is town then he is informing us who he roleblocked n1 which could be useful information for us to assess later.
2 addendum. The target should not confirm if they were or were not blocked because we don't need power outing themselves if they are power, or a non acting role to give that info to scum and increase the likelihood of scum hitting power with kills at night (even though I'd bet that chang or fd will have to die tonight)

i pretty much agree with all of this. i don't really see a downside to him sharing the target so long as that person doesn't say anything about whether they were RB'd.

PeaceFrog posted...

Fd since you're here and you earlier agreed with me that abacus should reveal who he targeted, do you agree with the reasons that i laid out for that being the correct move to make?

I did what now?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I said I learned absolutely nothing as in I was role blocked.

oh well ninja'd i guess

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I said I learned absolutely nothing as in I was role blocked.

Why on earth would you clarify this?

I thought that you said last night that abacus should say who he targeted... was that not you? Sorry if that's the case

well tbh if abacus said "yeah i targeted IGCD" we could have surmised from IGCD's earlier comments

bit of a strange target choice though i'm not gonna lie

any way IGCD breadcrumbed protection or something?

PeaceFrog posted...

Could it just be that if you were masons, you would stay in chat after death instead of going to dtc?

also to address from earlier

Corrik felt absolutely certain after it was confirmed that dead neighbors would be removed from the chat that it 100% confirmed that at least one of us had to be scum. because if you killed the scum neighbor they could sit there and still relay all the info back to the scum team / taunt / troll the remaining neighbors in the chat, and it would effectively be useless

it's a reasonable argument, but I think it's also possible that for balance reasons they just decided they didn't want dead town players able to help solve the game / didn't want them to share any possible action results on the night they were killed with alive players

changmas posted...

well tbh if abacus said "yeah i targeted IGCD" we could have surmised from IGCD's earlier comments

But neither of them needed to say anything.

If Abacus is scum blocker then scum already knows who he targeted, but if he's town jk then we're just giving away free information.

Similarly if igcd is town then providing that he was blocked is completely unnecessary.

We're just clarifying things that can only serve to make scums job easier tonight.

With that said now that igcd said his part then Abacus SHOULD either confirm that yes it was igcd or no it wasn't not. But then if it wasn't igcd he should NOT say who it really was.

and the chat* would effectively be useless