Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 3: Oh no, Yamcha's been Yamcha'd!

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Abacus prob scum. Jailkeeper is a super strong role and random claiming it is dumb

UltimaterializerX posted...

Scum IGCD never green checks me to clear me town. Im too easy to mislynch and removing me from the pool of mislynches to win is silly.

To be fair, I didn't green check you because I was roleblocked.

Peafs attack on me makes no sense btw. He is arguing I was pushing for FD in case Sultan didn't take off? Eh? If that were the case wouldn't I have... just kept pushing NL?

Doesn't seem to be a real argument.

Liking Abacus and Peaf for the last two scum here right now

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Why on earth would you clarify this?

Are you fucking kidding you asked me to elaborate.

changmas posted...

bit of a strange target choice though i'm not gonna lie

any way IGCD breadcrumbed protection or something?

I did breadcrumb bit it wasn't protection. I assume Ulti picked up on my breadcrumb because it was a response to him.

I'm down to vote Abby.

##Vote:Abacus

I take offense to being called inactive

masterplum posted...

Peafs attack on me makes no sense btw. He is arguing I was pushing for FD in case Sultan didn't take off? Eh? If that were the case wouldn't I have... just kept pushing NL?

Doesn't seem to be a real argument.

Liking Abacus and Peaf for the last two scum here right now

No, no, and no.
If wallz is scum (i think so) and you knew that nl wasn't going to take off, you pushed fd while Dumey pushed Sultan, as they were the other two competing lynch trains. And you said that voting for sbell was stupid :)
Next, it is a real argument. I'm not convinced that you're scum but I'm voicing a situation where you being scum makes sense to me given the effects of d1.
Finally, "last two"? That would make it 4/18. What do you know that we don't, Plum?

Also we arent lynching Abacus before Edumey I say

PeaceFrog posted...

Can you say anything about how sbell's flip recontextualizes anything from day 1 for you?

Yeah, it makes me think BCT is almost definitely scum. I recall scum sbell has a habit of casting suspicion on his mates. Sbells first post, he said the biggest thing to stand out to him was BCTs reaction to the weakest stress test youll ever see, but then sbell refused to elaborate on it.

Sbell posted (1.130)

Wallz,
as for my further thoughts of the first 40ish posts, I went to be with the wife and then to bed, you'll have to excuse that, not used to being up late doing the whole mafia thing.
Ulti's run of posts to start the game was light and enjoyable. It was like a shiny new Ulti appeared in this game and I wasn't overcome with "Uggg".
I thought it was interesting that you highlighted an odd twinge on Abacus being unlike himself, however didn't address that we've never seen BCT respond so calmly to immediate pressure.
I noted that Lea is memeing almost instantly (and have now just reminded myself to go back and see how that relates to previous scum/town games)
Looping back to BCT for a sec, his self-efficacy when posting "I can shitpost all i want", is what really pinged me after him handling the pressure so well.

Here, we see sbell comment on BCT - pretty much the only actual content he provided all game. Im fairly confident it comes from a place of knowing too much. I did the same thing last time I was scum, Im not confident in my ability to fake reads where I suspect town so I just stuck to bussing my scummate Lea and town clearing Cody in that game.

Add to this BCTs actual odd behavior, and where theres smoke theres probably fire. BCT also seems uncomfortable playing as scum, given hes barely done anything other than, from my pov, fake his trademark omgus on FD.

And yeah just because death wasn't here at deadline or at day start doesn't make him inactive, it makes him in a different time zone. I'd argue that he's been more present if we remove fluff posts than you have, Ulti. Not to get into a pissing match, just that calling death inactive is disingenuous.

By the way, if I'm right about wallz then everyone else should agree with me that death is town, because scum death would not take a risk and leave his vote on a buddy at end of day before he leaves when he won't be coming back. When he and i were scum together in tekken we didn't start taking risks until after the other team (which you were on, Ulti!) Killed me on n3. Death is not the kind of player to do that kind of gambit on day 1 as scum.

Conditional evidence based on wallz flip, i admit. But the other points in town Death's favor are that he hasn't pinged his scum slip yet. I don't expect to convince anyone on that point alone, but I've been paying attention to it.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Are you fucking kidding you asked me to elaborate.

When? Where?

Was I posting in my damn sleep because that's two things in the last hour being attributed to me that I didn't say.

I've been consistently saying we didn't need to reveal any more hard info from night 1.

Yeah that was Peaf who asked

Peaf, if youre town, this is the worst game Ive ever seen you play. Focus on making reads and contributions where me being scum isnt a requirement. You can keep pushing my lynch all youd like, but your contributions are getting farther and farther into the weeds.

assuming Im right about wallz, I think death is town!

Nah fam. Focus on the reads that dont depend on me being scum.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

When? Where?

Was I posting in my damn sleep because that's two things in the last hour being attributed to me that I didn't say.

I've been consistently saying we didn't need to reveal any more hard info from night 1.

You're right, it was peaf that asked me to elaborate. My bad.

I just always get frogs and dragons mixed up.

wallmasterz posted...

Peaf, if youre town, this is the worst game Ive ever seen you play. Focus on making reads and contributions where me being scum isnt a requirement. You can keep pushing my lynch all youd like, but your contributions are getting farther and farther into the weeds.

assuming Im right about wallz, I think death is town!

Nah fam. Focus on the reads that dont depend on me being scum.

I am of course biased, but his reads on me sounds half independent of his read on you anyway.

Who was it saying we should play on vibe checks all game?

Ulti you are ignoring the other elephant in the room

EDumey was seen visiting the dead guy and made a questionable claim to save himself.
Abacus is not being ignored because he is inactive.

I can understand an argument for lynchin a possible scumroleblocker... but its not as cut and dry as you make it sound.

And Plum calling his claim 'random' is plain incorrect.
Abacus was in the lead and strapped for time. He claimed exactly at the right time and at the expected time.

Based on vibes, ulti feels a little town to me
based on actions, ulti feels a little scummy to me

First ulti said of Dumey, Ill let Chang decide. Chang clearly thinks dumey should be the lynch and now going another direction. But would a hypothetical scum Ulti be this bold about not voting for a caught scummate dumey? Just a fair bit of weirdness from you, ulti.

Agreeable Ulti scares me
Not that its not appreciated, but still..

Obellisk posted...

Not that I can answer this question myself but....

Death, whose lynch do you think is the most profitable for information?

Well this question certainly echoes eerily now

wallmasterz posted...

Peaf, if youre town, this is the worst game Ive ever seen you play. Focus on making reads and contributions where me being scum isnt a requirement. You can keep pushing my lynch all youd like, but your contributions are getting farther and farther into the weeds.

assuming Im right about wallz, I think death is town!

Nah fam. Focus on the reads that dont depend on me being scum.

Listen. We agree that dumey is scum, yeah? From my pov, not knowing for sure that you are town, Dumey's actions at end of day make a lot more sense if you are scum. You haven't given me much of anything to see that whole chain of events in a different light.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Who was it saying we should play on vibe checks all game?

That was me, but my hand has been forced into making "arguments" and providing "evidence".

Some off the cuff thoughts.

BCT- still don't like him. I never understood the page 1 BCT test and how people declared him town as a result. Not guaranteed to be scum, but what has he done except be pissed at me for pushing him? That sort of behavior will only make me push him more in hopes that he actually levels up his game.

Chang- my neighbor! I don't think he gambits dumey as scum and the existence of Sultan's role made all 3 neighbors 'miller' so I'm forced to believe all 3 of us were town.

Ctes- who? Is he playing in this game?

Dumey- dead man walking. I wouldn't have necessarily placed him as scum myself, but considered that he was trying to pocket me day 1 by supporting me so fervently. I want in any position to turn down help that final hour regardless of who it was coming from though.

FD- its-a-me

IGCD- I can't bring myself to remember much that igcd has done besides the now clarified role block. He's more in the game than the true inactives at least. I get the impression that if I iso'd him there would actually be posts to read even if I can't recall them presently.

Peaf- Properly active even if I don't fully agree with his logic on some procedural stuff regarding information sharing. Feels like town who is actively trying.

Red- I appreciate the Disneyland tips, but what have you done lately? You're a tiny half step above ctes, mzero and Abacus which is not a good place to be

Ulti- feels like he's posting a good bit but not saying all that much. No judgement on his alignment but I appreciate that he's done more than the bare minimum in terms of activity and I can find his thoughts on most people if I needed to.

Wall- the other other lynch target from day 1. Unless town really was doing entirely it's own thing at the end of day 1 wallz is the only person (from my perspective) who was in a position to be 'saved' by the transition to Sultan. That's not damning in and of itself, but confirming wallz one way or the other week provide clarity to the way votes were moving.

Death- the main thing I remember was the interrogation sequence with Corrik. I'm going to have to re read that now that Corrik's alignment is confirmed and see how I feel. I remember thinking of Corrik was scum that the exchange made you look pretty strongly town, but I don't think that logic reverses.

Mzero- who?

Violent Abacus- who part 2? Other than providing a claim when backed into a corner what have you done?

Plum- can't remember much except you trying to nail me to a cross for daring to unvoted abacus. If abacus is scum that's going to make me think you are scum also and you were trying to establish my unvote as damning with that knowledge.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Plum- can't remember much except you trying to nail me to a cross for daring to unvoted abacus. If abacus is scum that's going to make me think you are scum also and you were trying to establish my unvote as damning with that knowledge.

He's also indirectly protecting wallz by saying all of my points are bad and posts are scummy, and said he thinks they're are only two scum left after Dumey is gone.

PeaceFrog posted...

Listen. We agree that dumey is scum, yeah? From my pov, not knowing for sure that you are town, Dumey's actions at end of day make a lot more sense if you are scum. You haven't given me much of anything to see that whole chain of events in a different light.

Theres plenty of possible reasons. A scum Dumey couldve thought I was an easier mislynch in future days, couldve seen me as less of a threat, or been looking for favor from those voting elsewhere. Im not interested in convincing you of my towniness at this point because it feels like a lost cause, but Im asking you stop getting so into the weeds and basing all your thoughts around the wrong conclusion youre locking yourself into.

Sultan claimed to have a power
Thats reason enough for scum to want to jump from Wallz (if he is town) to Sultan

Wallz forgive me for asking something that you may have already covered
Wht did you think of FD during the end of day1?

Dumey, BCT, and Plum is my trio of scum currently.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dumey

htaeD posted...

And Plum calling his claim 'random' is plain incorrect.
Abacus was in the lead and strapped for time. He claimed exactly at the right time and at the expected time.

His explanation of the claim today was very random. Why did he say anything

UltimaterializerX posted...

So do we take the guy scanned guilty or flip Abacus first in hopes of killing their blocker?

This is always terrible logic

Kill confirmed scum. Always

masterplum posted...

His explanation of the claim today was very random. Why did he say anything

Yeah but thats today
And its not like we wouldnt expect him to tell us who he roleblocked eventually.

htaeD posted...

Sultan claimed to have a power
Thats reason enough for scum to want to jump from Wallz (if he is town) to Sultan

Wallz forgive me for asking something that you may have already covered
Wht did you think of FD during the end of day1?

I never gave an opinion. Right now id say slight town lean based on vibes, i glossed over the Disney stuff. His irritation at plum (I think) saying his eod1 comments were scummy seemed genuine.

Anyway ISOing Sbell was pretty useless

Even when asked about Wallz he gave a weak nondecisive answer
He did later question why so many people were protecting Wallz, but thats about as far as his interest in the goings on went.

@BlueCrystalTear - scum sbell has a habit of bussing his mates, and youre the only person he really did much to suspect. What do you think of that, and do you ever plan to actually play beyond reacting to being suspected?

Anyway this can't be my worst game as town, Wallz, because i once spent almost an entire day cycle attacking town Kirby and defending scum Ben, being a complete asshole about the whole thing, and almost threw the entire game away by nearly voting for town Ulti when Kirby was desperately trying to lead me to scum plum.

So I'm at least trying not to be an asshole this time around.

That does sound pretty bad, plum. Thanks for not being an asshole at least.

The amount of people barely participating still has me a little annoyed. Care to retract your statement criticizing me for wondering if the activity level was going to pick up? Or according to you and someone else (Chang?) being in a huge frickin panic about it?

Peaf, not plum.

I think worrying about d1's eod activity within the first 24 hours is totally different than d2 activity when a scum died or of nowhere n1 and a second scum is dead to rights from a scan as of the very start of the day. It would make sense for a lot of town players to also be checked out of today, and rely on hero chang to get them through. Not saying that's good, but it's understandable and a different situation, yes.

I think activity today can be excused due to it being a sunday and a day with an early doomed scum

htaeD posted...

I think activity today can be excused due to it being a sunday and a day with an early doomed scum

Also it's Thanksgiving Sunday.

I have like a 3/10 interest to begin with honestly. In a day when we have scum I am just skimming along to make sure nothing crazy happens

masterplum posted...

I have like a 3/10 interest to begin with honestly. In a day when we have scum I am just skimming along to make sure nothing crazy happens

I don't care about a day with scum (most likely) dead to rights.

I care about a game with numerous non participants.

If there's a vigi out there...
And they still have a shot available...
Just saying I won't be mad if one of the inactives doesn't wake up on Day 3...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also it's Thanksgiving Sunday.

Ah
Lol
I never know when a Thanksgiving happens