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wallmasterz
10/09/23 9:21:19 AM
#301:


PeaceFrog posted...
I'm not on this wavelength at all

if BCT is scum, which I think he is, ulti looks absolutely terrible.

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ctesjbuvf
10/09/23 9:23:27 AM
#302:


Can you elaborate on your BCT case, Wallz?

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htaeD
10/09/23 9:26:36 AM
#303:


Plums problem seems to be that he has no foresight or hindsight at all and is constantly reacting to the present events alone.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 9:33:20 AM
#304:


Ive only seen BCT as town, and Im guessing I have seen it 5-6 times now. That is a fair sample size.

  1. Unusual behavior. BCT has not at all acted like himself, this game is the only outlier compared to the other games Ive seen and he was town in all of those.
  2. Avoiding the game. BCT himself acknowledged it and said yes, its a very slow start for me. He did mention seasonal depression and I dont want to minimize that, I take people at their word with these things, but BCTs huge overreactions to being suspected overshadow the fact hes pretty good as town. He engages with the game. Makes reads. Analyzes things. He has done none so far here at the end of d2.
  3. Guilty by association with sbell. Sbell likes to bus his mates, I think its because sbell is like me, struggles to fake suspicion on people he knows are town. BCT is the only person sbell really focused on. Mentioned it to BCT and BCT basically said I wouldnt reach much into it, bro which I find hilarious and endearing, but also the complete polar opposite of how town BCT would ever react.
Yes people can change, but until I see BCT act how he has acted this game and flip town, Id probably assume he was godfather if he got an inno scan. Lol.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 9:34:42 AM
#305:


htaeD posted...
Plums problem seems to be that he has no foresight or hindsight at all and is constantly reacting to the present events alone.

Yes, thank you. This is incredibly easy to see.

ctesjbuvf posted...
I feel like Plum isn't out of his town game though.

citation required. What is plums town game to you

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 9:36:12 AM
#306:


ctesjbuvf posted...
He looked convinced he was scanned to me. What makes you not on the wavelength?

Lets put it this way, if ulti is scum and IGCD is truthful as town hes aware IGCD was RBd. Also, godfather exists.

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ctesjbuvf
10/09/23 9:38:25 AM
#307:


wallmasterz posted...
citation required. What is plums town game to you

Not caring a lot about the game for the first while which is why he usually replaces in instead. I recall a game where Plum as town ISOd and just stopped out of lack of interest. I don't think any of what you're saying is alignment defining. If you think otherwise you should bring the citations lol.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 9:43:08 AM
#308:


That may be fair, I cant claim to know plums
game very well. But I think everything I described can fall under not caring a lot about the game and you are saying plum is acting consistent with town plum. I think for the average mafia player, how hes acting is more likely to come from scum.

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ctesjbuvf
10/09/23 9:43:35 AM
#309:


I said he looked convinced he was scanned. Someone on team with whoever blocked IGCD would not be convinced they were scanned by him regardless of role.

It's true he could know, sure. Sure would be nice if we knew who Abacus targeted.

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ctesjbuvf
10/09/23 9:44:42 AM
#310:


wallmasterz posted...
That may be fair, I cant claim to know plums
game very well. But I think everything I described can fall under not caring a lot about the game and you are saying plum is acting consistent with town plum. I think for the average mafia player, how hes acting is more likely to come from scum.

Plum is probably not the average mafia player, tbf. But I'll just remind you I didn't call Plum town for it either. I put him in the I have no idea group.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 9:54:48 AM
#311:


Thanks ctes.

you asked me elaborate on my case on BCT, did you just not care to comment on it?

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ctesjbuvf
10/09/23 10:06:37 AM
#312:


Sorry, I appreciated it, but I'm not sure what to make of it one way or the other. #2 would be a stronger case in most games.

Got me want to look at SBell though!

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masterplum
10/09/23 10:13:45 AM
#313:


htaeD posted...
Plums problem seems to be that he has no foresight or hindsight at all and is constantly reacting to the present events alone.


Correct

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 10:17:38 AM
#314:


Plum whos your biggest suspect, other than Dumey if Dumey is #1

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 10:33:42 AM
#315:


wallmasterz posted...
Lets put it this way, if ulti is scum and IGCD is truthful as town hes aware IGCD was RBd. Also, godfather exists.
I think this is only true if we assume that either abacus isn't town, because if abacus is town how would a hypothetical scum Ulti know who abacus targeted?

And if both abacus and Ulti are scum, Ulti has shown a much greater willingness to bus this game than he did in other scum games iirc. But you can let me know your thoughts on that since you were together in Tekken.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 10:36:04 AM
#316:


Thats a really good point peaf.

ughhhhh god I want to say stuff about my role but I also dont know if its wise.

tekken was a mess. Ulti did bus me some but Id already made myself look quite bad. I dont think we should draw any conclusions about ultis bussing tendencies from it.

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 10:39:03 AM
#317:


Maybe I'm reading your statement wrong, on second thought. Are you just saying that if Ulti is scum and igcd is not, Ulti would assume that igcd is telling the truth about targeting him but being blocked? And that's why he's not uncomfortable?

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 10:41:28 AM
#318:


wallmasterz posted...
tekken was a mess. Ulti did bus me some but Id already made myself look quite bad. I dont think we should draw any conclusions about ultis bussing tendencies from it.
That's fair. It was a very unusual game where bussing had higher stakes but potentially higher payoffs.

I've also been wanting to say things but I'm holding back because I think it would make the game unfun if we go that try-hard about it.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 10:42:19 AM
#319:


In that scenario I assumed Ulti knows IGCD was roleblocked, but the more I think about it the less sense it makes

Whole thing is weird. Kinda doubt IGCD was being serious with his comment about trying to scan ulti in the first place because why out yourself as cop. I dont have a reason to doubt IGCD is some kind of power who was roleblocked, though.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 10:44:20 AM
#320:


I will agree though ultis post made it seem like he believed the possibility he was scanned inno. Could it be godfather ulti or ulti knowing IGCD was RBd, yes. Or it could just be vanilla ulti excited at being involved in a night action. Lol

PeaceFrog posted...
That's fair. It was a very unusual game where bussing had higher stakes but potentially higher payoffs.

I've also been wanting to say things but I'm holding back because I think it would make the game unfun if we go that try-hard about it.

I dont know I think winning would be pretty fun

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 10:45:03 AM
#321:


If they have a blocker and town has a jk (which is what the setup was in Ulti mafia) then hypothetical scum Ulti could know that his team blocked igcd, regardless of what town jk did. And unless they get a message that their action failed, they would know it went through.

So i think it only makes sense in that case if Ulti is scum and abacus is not. Which is not impossible!

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masterplum
10/09/23 10:46:33 AM
#322:


wallmasterz posted...
Plum whos your biggest suspect, other than Dumey if Dumey is #1

I didn't like that peaf comment

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htaeD
10/09/23 10:46:36 AM
#323:


Ulti knowing IGCD was roleblocked is kinda incompatible with him believing he could have been scanned by IGCD

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 10:47:15 AM
#324:


masterplum posted...
I didn't like that peaf comment


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wallmasterz
10/09/23 10:48:03 AM
#325:


Yes agreed, ulti would either be town or wouldve been pretending. But I say in 320 it seemed genuine, not to take away from ultis ability to pretend

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 11:06:19 AM
#326:


Leafeon13N posted...
Also motion detector has no reason to target scum neighbor.

They are already confirmed role as neighbor. They dont have much chance of also moving at night.
Chances that red is scum with dumey and dumey previously mentioned wanting to fake claim motion detector, and red responded to that instead of his actual post?

He's a good player so it's just a matter of if pure laziness outweighed that.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 11:17:57 AM
#327:


wallmasterz posted... 3.08
Oh look, sbell flipped scum!! Big surprise, not.

UltimaterializerX posted... 3.12
lmao you can take a better victory lap than this

UltimaterializerX posted... 3.150
Red asked for thoughts.

12. Wall - unknown, I cant read him well yet

Perspective slipping in 3.12? Ultis post reads like he knows Im town. Why tell someone to take a victory lap if youre unsure of their alignment?

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 11:59:41 AM
#328:


Red, in 3.058 I asked you to elaborate on a prior post of yours where you said

red posted (3.054)

My gut says ulti looked scummy as shit day 1 too. Very little presence.

But sbell knowledge means some rereading later.

Would value your response here. Curiously, you asked death for thoughts

red13n posted... 3.104
Death do you have any thoughts that aren't things we could easily surmise.

and we got this a bit later

UltimaterializerX posted... 3.150
Red asked for thoughts.
*imagine list here*


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changmas
10/09/23 12:06:22 PM
#330:


PeaceFrog posted...
Chances that red is scum with dumey and dumey previously mentioned wanting to fake claim motion detector, and red responded to that instead of his actual post?

He's a good player so it's just a matter of if pure laziness outweighed that.

low i think, he wouldn't make that mistake as scum imo. i have him solidly in town pile at the moment

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changmas
10/09/23 12:07:46 PM
#331:


can anyone who played/hosted that game wallz was scum in tell me if he posted this much / put this much effort in to that game?

the effort is looking townish to me here but the content mostly makes no logical sense to me and i don't remember wallz being that kind of player for me

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 12:08:28 PM
#332:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I was half excited. Then I realized it was a waste because Im the easiest guy to read in B8 mafia history.

Talking about how easy to read you are after I asked about a possible perspective slip is certainly a choice. If red is town, apparently youre scum or not quite that easy to read after all

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htaeD
10/09/23 12:13:53 PM
#333:


I dont recall specific wallz games of scum or town, but he is never really inactive

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 12:18:13 PM
#334:


Wallz was just scum in the recent Ulti game that ended prematurely. He was extremely active and played incredibly well. If the game had continued, there is no world in which i would have ever lynched him.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 12:22:59 PM
#335:


Thanks peaf. I was not extremely active, if memory serves, I think Dumey and Lea both commented I was a bit less active than usual, but it was mostly due to irl stuff. But it wasnt bad enough to have people reaching for pitchforks or anything.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 12:23:32 PM
#336:


And if peaf remembers me as very active, thats cool actually because I probably didnt do as bad a job keeping up as I thought I did

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changmas
10/09/23 12:33:45 PM
#337:


Wow. I was in that game too and I have absolutely no memory of this

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ctesjbuvf
10/09/23 12:34:56 PM
#338:


Wallz was scum in the game I hosted, he was also in Ulti's game with me. Both times he was super active both in game and in scumchat.

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changmas
10/09/23 12:36:50 PM
#339:


kk so no town points for activity

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Forceful_Dragon
10/09/23 12:42:20 PM
#340:


Am I remembering wrong? In ulti mafia I thought han was the unrevealed scum that we would have had a difficult time finding and all the other scum were either already dead or living on borrowed time.

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wallmasterz
10/09/23 12:44:26 PM
#341:


Ctes was the super confirmed town scum, a couple people planned on gunning for me next, but we just made me a night kill instead. Trust me, the scum team wouldnt have sacrificed me if the walls werent closing in a bit. I was godfather. Town was stacked and had multiple verifiable roles so I was living on borrowed time despite playing fairly well.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/09/23 12:49:01 PM
#342:


Oh it was ctes, not han, yeah

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IfGodCouldDie
10/09/23 12:58:47 PM
#344:


So I just want to make sure we are still lynching the Abby slot today. There is no point in replacing that slot, we don't need a person there to lynch it.

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htaeD
10/09/23 1:02:45 PM
#345:


We are absolutely not lynching the abacus slot, IGCD
I will not let 'but it would be the easy way out of a replacement' dictate the flow of events.

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 1:03:53 PM
#346:


I thought Dumey was the choice for today, igcd.

And i definitely mixed things up a bit and i apologize, the end of that game was such a whirlwind of revelations. Scum Ctes nightkilled scum wallz and my mind was blown, i would not have ever lynched ctes in that situation but had Wallz not been killed i don't see myself having ever been able to lynch him either.

Moral of the story is that I'm not going to pretend that i can't be loud wrong, but that doesn't mean I'll sit here and just not voice things.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/09/23 1:05:08 PM
#347:


Watched Looper last night (review is up for those who wanna see). I can definitely see SBell dying while using his power, given what transpired in that movie. Fucking awesome way to spend two hours.

wallmasterz posted...
if BCT is scum, which I think he is, ulti looks absolutely terrible.
And when I flip town, you will be exposed as scum.

Seriously I am bored of rolling town vanilla. What's so hard to understand about that? I'm disengaged for the same reason as SBell: I want to roll something DIFFERENT for once! But what's being rolled is different here - with SBell, he's sick of rolling scum, and me, I'm sick of rolling town vanilla.

We get Dumey first, then Wall, then Abacus.

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IfGodCouldDie
10/09/23 1:06:25 PM
#348:


PeaceFrog posted...
I thought Dumey was the choice for today, igcd.

And i definitely mixed things up a bit and i apologize, the end of that game was such a whirlwind of revelations. Scum Ctes nightkilled scum wallz and my mind was blown, i would not have ever lynched ctes in that situation but had Wallz not been killed i don't see myself having ever been able to lynch him either.

Moral of the story is that I'm not going to pretend that i can't be loud wrong, but that doesn't mean I'll sit here and just not voice things.
Oh yea, my bad I literally just woke up.

-_-

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htaeD
10/09/23 1:13:36 PM
#349:


Mzero also needs to become more involved sooner than later

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PeaceFrog
10/09/23 1:20:29 PM
#350:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
We get Dumey first, then Wall, then Abacus.
You don't think that dumey's flip has any bearing on wallz? And you don't think that two game days of a presumed replacement will be able to recover from abacus' day 1? Feels a little like putting an entire engine in front of the cart here

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