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ctesjbuvf
10/11/23 8:55:25 AM
#151:


Speed is like the most noticable value when you just play the game.

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Espeon
10/11/23 8:59:13 AM
#152:


Im not even into competitive battling, but holy FUCK this gen was frustrating when Im trying to use purely new stuff, and its getting outsped by any returning Pokmon I face off against. Its even worse when some of them are aggressively weak fighters as well.

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LiquidOshawott
10/11/23 9:14:33 AM
#153:


Surprisingly Stonjourner is 70, pretty fast for a rock type

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ctesjbuvf
10/11/23 9:20:31 AM
#154:


Espeon posted...
Im not even into competitive battling, but holy FUCK this gen was frustrating when Im trying to use purely new stuff, and its getting outsped by any returning Pokmon I face off against. Its even worse when some of them are aggressively weak fighters as well.

I feel like this was at its worst in gen 7

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skulltrumpets
10/11/23 10:28:00 AM
#155:


I mentioned before that I don't outright despise any of these guys and ... yeah. I remember having a long stretch of Pokemon that I only slightly preferred to the previous and I am pretty sure Stonjourner was in that pack. Great concept, but I'm not the biggest fan of it's proportions.
mnk posted...
That's too bad. I do wish it was Rock/Fairy, though. Would've given it a bigger sense of mystery and whimsy.
And holy hell this would have been enough to bump it up quite a bit.
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Espeon
10/11/23 10:33:42 AM
#156:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I feel like this was at its worst in gen 7

This is true, but Gen VIII feels worse because of the lack of creativity and the number of monotypes in addition to the slowness.

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LusterSoldier
10/11/23 10:57:26 AM
#157:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I feel like this was at its worst in gen 7


Yes, Gen 7 was pretty bad in terms of speed. I actually mentioned this in my write-up for Ribombee.

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Steiner
10/11/23 12:34:58 PM
#158:


85. Drizzile

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Total Score: 2694
Average Rank: 63
Standard Deviation: 23.410
Water Rank: 10/12

Not Fully Evolved Rank: 29/35

Rankings:
15 - Xuxon
17 - red13n
22 - GameBopAdv
26 - PrinceKaro
27 - TexWolf_1729
27 - xenosaga
36 - Ermine
37 - ctesjbuvf
37 - DireKrow
38 - DragonGargoyle
42 - Raka_Putra
51 - Anagram
51 - Paratroopa1
53 - MoogleKupo141
53 - PrinceOfKoopas
55 - XIII_Rocks
57 - OrangeCrush980
57 - Steiner
59 - Ashethan
60 - Bitto
68 - MZero
71 - Brayze_II
73 - NFUN
73 - th3l3fty
74 - Eddv
75 - mcflubbin
77 - VeryInsane
78 - starfox
79 - Johnbobb
79 - KommunistKoala
79 - Mihark
79 - ScepterOfLove
81 - andylt
82 - Bane_Of_Despair
82 - changmas
87 - hbthebattle
87 - hotdogturtle
88 - mnk
90 - Luster Soldier
91 - Cody11533
92 - ecksgem
93 - Inviso
96 - skulltrumpets

Comments:
DragonGargoyle (38) - I would've wanted to be this guy when I was 16
Paratroopa1 (51) - typical weird teenager-phase starter
PrinceOfKoopas (53) - Edgelord.
NFUN (73) -
Johnbobb (79) - https://imgur.com/r6tgSeb
andylt (81) - I don't know what the focus of the design is supposed to be, but it's too... rounded? The colours are bad, this was a big warning sign for Inteleon.
Bane_Of_Despair (82) - Now here's what we've been expecting, an awkward middle stage form. And not even in a funny way like Raboot, it's just kind of meh.
mnk (88) - I forget this thing's name all the time.
Inviso (93) - It's a weird, emo middle evolution, but without the fun of Morgrem.


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Xuxon
10/11/23 12:53:10 PM
#159:


Okay I fully expected to be the biggest outlier here but... 85th? Surely this guy could have made it to the 60s at least.

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10/11/23 1:00:26 PM
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Zigzagoon
10/11/23 1:13:42 PM
#160:


This seems not right. I think you guys messed up. We should try again.

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andylt
10/11/23 1:19:48 PM
#161:


Not the absolute worst of the 9 starters, but I'm glad we've started to drop them. Figured they'd have a higher floor just by virtue of people knowing them more and having more personal connection with them.

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-hotdogturtle--
10/11/23 1:23:59 PM
#162:


andylt posted...
Figured they'd have a higher floor just by virtue of people knowing them more and having more personal connection with them.
On the contrary, I think that the middle starters are completely forgettable nothing-Pokemon that people don't connect with because you spend most of the game the the final form and you see the first forms mostly promoted outside of the game. This particular aspect of the starter Pokemon (the middles being dex filler) is one thing that I personally feel has gotten worse over the years, and is a rare aspect which I would say that the earliest gens did better.

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andylt
10/11/23 1:28:07 PM
#163:


Hm that's fair, the middle evos have a weakness there for sure. Though I do like some of the middle starter evos in recent gens!

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mnk
10/11/23 1:31:34 PM
#164:


Gen VIII middle starters are all bad and among the worst in the franchise.

-hotdogturtle-- posted...
This particular aspect of the starter Pokemon (the middles being dex filler) is one thing that I personally feel has gotten worse over the years, and is a rare aspect which I would say that the earliest gens did better.

I would say Gen IX did a pretty good job with their middle starters. Floragato is my favorite of its line, and maybe Quaxwell is too (I'm still working out my feelings on that line).

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skulltrumpets
10/11/23 1:34:57 PM
#165:


I expected to be a major outlier on this one holy shit lmao though yeah thinking it over, middle stages of starters tend to be the least favourite, though there are some exceptions. Grovyle getting the PMD boost, Dewott because folks were disappointed at Samurott being on four legs ... etc.

I kept pushing Drizzile back constantly ... Every time I looked at it, my eyes kinda hurt a little. A bit of a mess design-wise. Out of the three starters it almost seems like they had no fucking idea what to do with Sobble.
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Bitto
10/11/23 1:35:29 PM
#166:


On the contrary, I think Gen VIII starter middle evos are very good. Drizzile is the worst by a large margin, but he's not bad.

Gen IX has good starter middle evos too.

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Bane_Of_Despair
10/11/23 1:39:55 PM
#167:


I guess this is a bit of spoilers for my list but Thwackey is a very good middle starter and Raboot is at least goofy and makes me laugh. Gen IX middle starters are generally better though yea

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Steiner
10/11/23 1:44:14 PM
#168:


Zigzagoon posted...
This seems not right. I think you guys messed up. We should try again.

okay. i'm pausing while everybody submits their list again. new deadline november 10th

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mnk
10/11/23 1:47:33 PM
#169:


On my new list, Drizzile is moved down one space.

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Zigzagoon
10/11/23 1:47:45 PM
#170:


Fhew. I believe in us for this next go around!

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Steiner
10/11/23 2:02:38 PM
#172:


okay the first list i got for the redo had no headers and 98 pokemon so i'm just gonna finish this one

84. Rolycoly
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Total Score: 2694
Average Rank: 63
Standard Deviation: 23.981
Rock Rank: 4/6

Not Fully Evolved Rank: 28/35

Rankings:
5 - Brayze_II
7 - hbthebattle
18 - Johnbobb
28 - ctesjbuvf
28 - th3l3fty
31 - DragonGargoyle
36 - xenosaga
39 - ScepterOfLove
43 - Eddv
43 - GameBopAdv
49 - hotdogturtle
50 - Mihark
52 - Ermine
52 - Steiner
55 - MZero
55 - Paratroopa1
55 - skulltrumpets
56 - mnk
57 - Anagram
57 - NFUN
64 - Ashethan
73 - PrinceKaro
73 - starfox
75 - XIII_Rocks
76 - ecksgem
77 - Xuxon
78 - andylt
78 - PrinceOfKoopas
79 - Bane_Of_Despair
80 - Bitto
80 - changmas
81 - Luster Soldier
83 - KommunistKoala
83 - MoogleKupo141
84 - TexWolf_1729
86 - Cody11533
86 - DireKrow
87 - mcflubbin
89 - red13n
90 - Inviso
90 - VeryInsane
91 - OrangeCrush980
95 - Raka_Putra

Comments:
hbthebattle (7) - man, your evos dropped the ball so hard. we were robbed the train pokemon we deserved
Johnbobb (18) - https://imgur.com/gOvXTxq
Paratroopa1 (55) - they see me rollin, they (not) hatin
mnk (56) - It's got a good name at least.
andylt (78) - It's Roggenrola but worse.
PrinceOfKoopas (78) - Go roll away now
Bane_Of_Despair (79) - Honestly a little surprised it took GameFreak 8 generations to make a coal pokemon like this, the orange eye it has is kind of cute but it's just a lump of coal at the end of the day.
Inviso (90) - Much like with Roggenrola, I rank this as highly as I do solely on an amusing name.


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mnk
10/11/23 2:05:41 PM
#173:


Steiner posted...
Paratroopa1 (55) - they see me rollin, they (not) hatin

Narrator: They were hatin'.

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andylt
10/11/23 2:06:55 PM
#174:


Coalossal ranking top of this line is a travesty

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Steiner
10/11/23 2:11:20 PM
#175:


how big of a travesty

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mnk
10/11/23 2:16:03 PM
#176:


It will be a huge travesty if it suddenly goes out next.

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andylt
10/11/23 2:17:05 PM
#177:


a... gargantuan travesty

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Johnbobb
10/11/23 2:23:41 PM
#178:


Honestly the entire coal line is great and you're all haters

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-hotdogturtle--
10/11/23 2:28:03 PM
#179:


I didn't realize that Rolycoly ended up so high on my list. I guess it has a nice color scheme even if the design is unspectacular. The glowing orange eye looks great on the black.

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OrangeCrush980
10/11/23 2:31:06 PM
#181:


Steiner posted...
andylt (81) - I don't know what the focus of the design is supposed to be, but it's too... rounded? The colours are bad, this was a big warning sign for Inteleon.
I hope this doesn't mean bad things for Inteleon...

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Steiner
10/11/23 2:49:45 PM
#182:


83. Hatenna

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Total Score: 2679
Average Rank: 62
Standard Deviation: 22.383
Psychic Rank: 7/9

Not Fully Evolved Rank: 27/35

Rankings:
3 - Cody11533
22 - MoogleKupo141
23 - Luster Soldier
27 - PrinceKaro
28 - NFUN
34 - PrinceOfKoopas
34 - th3l3fty
37 - Bane_Of_Despair
37 - Xuxon
47 - mnk
48 - ctesjbuvf
51 - hotdogturtle
54 - Eddv
54 - KommunistKoala
55 - Anagram
58 - MZero
59 - ecksgem
62 - hbthebattle
63 - Mihark
64 - ScepterOfLove
66 - GameBopAdv
67 - Ashethan
67 - changmas
68 - OrangeCrush980
69 - Paratroopa1
70 - XIII_Rocks
73 - TexWolf_1729
74 - red13n
76 - mcflubbin
76 - Raka_Putra
76 - skulltrumpets
79 - Bitto
80 - starfox
81 - DireKrow
82 - Steiner
85 - Johnbobb
87 - andylt
87 - xenosaga
89 - Inviso
90 - Ermine
92 - DragonGargoyle
92 - VeryInsane
93 - Brayze_II

Comments:
Luster Soldier (23) - Greatest 3 Pokemon line in my opinion. I like all 3 members of this Pokemon line, though Hatenna is clearly a step down from Hattrem and Hatterene. I still like Hatenna because its cute.
NFUN (28) - Absolutely idiotic, in a way that wraps back to being amazing, and then keeps going to something merely adequate
PrinceOfKoopas (34) - hat
Bane_Of_Despair (37) - Look at this cute lil' guy! Generally love the covered-eyes look, and I think it still works here. I might not care as much for its final evolution but this guy is pretty cool.
Paratroopa1 (69) - never been fond of the little girl with hair covering her eyes completely look
Johnbobb (85) - https://imgur.com/cg125jx
Inviso (89) - It's weak and doesn't do a whole lot for me. It's just a Ralts knock-off, which already isn't spectacular.


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skulltrumpets
10/11/23 2:50:09 PM
#183:


Coalossal was difficult for me to rank because I think it looks better than Carkol, but on the other hand it is so inconsistent with it's line. And I am someone who tends to overthink these things ....

As for Rolycoly. It's a cute, solid first stage Pokemon. Orange on black is an incredible combo. It's simple, but unlike some other simple Pokemon Milcery lol, it still has enough stuff that catches my attention.
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mnk
10/11/23 2:56:28 PM
#184:


Do some people just automatically throw all NFEs to the bottom of their list? Hatenna just seems so inoffensive to warrant being so low (same with Rolycoly and Arrokuda for that matter). Even from the "little girl Pokemon are bad" standpoint, Hatenna itself hasn't even developed into looking like a little girl yet, it's just a blob with a hat.

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LusterSoldier
10/11/23 3:01:00 PM
#185:


I do tend to have NFEs low on my list (as do a lot of other people), but my list does have at least a couple of NFEs outside of the bottom half. I even have 2 NFEs in my top 10.

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-hotdogturtle--
10/11/23 3:03:25 PM
#186:


mnk posted...
Do some people just automatically throw all NFEs to the bottom of their list?
What else are you gonna put down there?

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Bane_Of_Despair
10/11/23 3:04:45 PM
#187:


I think Hatenna is cute

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mnk
10/11/23 3:04:53 PM
#188:


-hotdogturtle-- posted...
What else are you gonna put down there?

The bad stuff.

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-hotdogturtle--
10/11/23 3:06:28 PM
#189:


mnk posted...
The bad stuff.
Okay done.

If anyone complains about my 96 I'm throwing all blame on you.

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Steiner
10/11/23 3:30:15 PM
#192:


82. Morgrem
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Total Score: 2677
Average Rank: 62
Standard Deviation: 23.341
Dark Rank: 10/10
Fairy Rank: 6/8

Not Fully Evolved Rank: 26/35

Rankings:
3 - DragonGargoyle
6 - ecksgem
27 - red13n
29 - changmas
35 - Bitto
39 - Ashethan
39 - MoogleKupo141
42 - PrinceOfKoopas
44 - hbthebattle
45 - DireKrow
48 - OrangeCrush980
50 - Cody11533
50 - PrinceKaro
51 - TexWolf_1729
52 - Eddv
53 - Steiner
53 - XIII_Rocks
54 - skulltrumpets
59 - Bane_Of_Despair
60 - starfox
65 - ScepterOfLove
66 - KommunistKoala
67 - andylt
67 - MZero
67 - xenosaga
68 - Inviso
68 - Xuxon
70 - hotdogturtle
72 - GameBopAdv
76 - Mihark
77 - Raka_Putra
79 - ctesjbuvf
83 - Anagram
84 - mnk
85 - Brayze_II
91 - Johnbobb
91 - mcflubbin
92 - NFUN
92 - Paratroopa1
94 - Ermine
94 - th3l3fty
94 - VeryInsane
96 - Luster Soldier

Comments:
PrinceOfKoopas (42) - Kinda cool edgy pose. Better than Drizzile.
Bane_Of_Despair (59) - Weirdly I think this middle form is my favorite of the line. It's sneaky and I like the one eye being covered, and it's not the monstrosity that it evolves into.
Inviso (68) - I only rank this as high as I do because I find the weird, emo haircut amusing. That's all it has going for it.
Johnbobb (91) - https://imgur.com/98QxLFK
NFUN (92) - I'm sure bane loves this guy, but no. Some edgy teenage Pokemon are funny. This one is just sad
Paratroopa1 (92) - its the best of its line uh, I guess
Ermine (94) - Gross.


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Hbthebattle
10/11/23 3:31:31 PM
#193:


Bad drops! Esp when Coalossal and the squirrels are still in

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LiquidOshawott
10/11/23 3:37:26 PM
#194:


Oh my low drops made it in

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skulltrumpets
10/11/23 3:56:50 PM
#196:


Hatenna falls into the category of "I think it is designed well, but I just can't like it." I just don't like some tropes and that's fine.

Morgrem is mostly decent, but I struggle to show attachment to middle stages. Still sad to see it so low because the line is still good. Way better at being a dumb edgelord (complimentary) than Drizzile.

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DireKrow
10/11/23 4:07:44 PM
#197:


Stonjourner - Somehow both (way) too goofy and too boring for my taste. Really annoys me. Hate looking at it.

Drizzile - I like the attitude a lot and lizards are cool. I don't like the mitten hands, nor the weirdly round head with a very "painted on features" look. Still fine overall. I probably slightly overrated this in my ranking, but I still feel this is out too early.

Rolycoly - Strongly bores me - I want animals, not lumps of coal. Odd eye counts are a turn off.

Hatenna - Bangs over both eyes is up there as one of my least favorite character design tropes. Always looks bad to me.

Morgrem - Has grown on me. I probably slightly underrated it. I like the attitude and the edginess of the design and strikes the best balance of the family, I think. Impidimp is too "annoying" and Grimmsnarl is too "ugly", by comparison. Still pretty ugly, though.

Drizzile is my highest drop so far at #37 and I still feel fairly negative about it. Granted, it prob should have been 40-45. But still, this generation really sucks. (And yet, Gen 9 is somehow even worse!)
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mnk
10/11/23 4:17:24 PM
#198:


btw Steiner there's two "one-off rankings" columns in the spreadsheet.

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Steiner
10/11/23 4:18:52 PM
#199:


well you guys can edit it what do you want from me

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-hotdogturtle--
10/11/23 4:22:07 PM
#200:


What's the friend/enemy thing? Certain thresholds for compatibility?

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