Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 3 (Invasion for real this time?)

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VFalcone posted...

War crime. Most blatant of all so far. I want to see what r/worldnews thinks about this

Yeah I lost hope for world news twitter. Any pushback and your post gets buried. They're Western media pilled and most of them only started paying attention to this conflict in the last week and are ignoring the history of all of this.

If the optics doesn't correct itself with this, nothing will.

Are they literally saying they blew up their own hospital?
And people believe it?
Jfc what a dystopia

BBC/Reuters confirm 500+ dead from the attack.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/4/AAPstsAAE8be.jpg

Have they said why they attacked those ambulance and firemen earlier?

Foppe posted...

Have they said why they attacked those ambulance and firemen earlier?

They did it because the ambulance and firemen were providing aid to Palestinian civilians

Foppe posted...

Have they said why they attacked those ambulance and firemen earlier?

"They were akshually three Hamases in a trenchcoat. Source: trust me bro"

Foppe posted...

Have they said why they attacked those ambulance and firemen earlier?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/1/AAPstsAAE8bl.jpg

Crazy how much Israel has been shown to lie this last week and people are still giving them the benefit of the doubt.

CommonStar posted...

Crazy how much Israel has been shown to lie this last week and people are still giving them the benefit of the doubt.

There is no way anyone actually still believes Israel at this point. Anyone claiming to should be assumed to know exactly what they're doing.

CommonStar posted...

Crazy how much Israel has been shown to lie this last week and people are still giving them the benefit of the doubt.

they have propaganda you only normally see in isolated dictatorships (north korea etc). they're very good at it

Many people are "We have supported them for so long, if we back down now we will look stupid" and keeps supporting them.

Foppe posted...

Have they said why they attacked those ambulance and firemen earlier?

The same reason the covid clinic was bombed a few years back.

Trumble posted...

There is no way anyone actually still believes Israel at this point.

You underestimate how many folks are for Israel (mostly cuz of religion) and will turn a blind eye to anyone that's "Israel's enemy."

The cruel irony of Israel copying the Third Reich

ThyCorndog posted...

they have propaganda you only normally see in isolated dictatorships (north korea etc). they're very good at it

We have propaganda like that here in the United States. Millions of people would not still believe Trump won in 2020 without a massive infrastructure of right wing misinformation delivery.

Anti-vax nonsense, Obama's Kenyan birth, Benghazi! lies, Clinton murder conspiracies, trans-panic, periodic border "invasions", Hunter Laptop...

It's a misinformation machine that keeps millions of Americans believing absolute baseless bullshit 24/7.

Palestinian health ministry says 200 to 300 people may have been killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza
From Abeer Salman and Tamar Michaelis
Preliminary estimates indicate between 200 to 300 people were killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in the center of Gaza City, the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza said in a statement Tuesday, noting many people still remained beneath the rubble.
The Palestinian government in Gaza said in an earlier statement that the strike on the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital had resulted in dozens of deaths.

A new war crime committed by the occupation in the bombing of Al-Ahli Arabi Hospital in the center of Gaza City, resulting in the arrival of dozens of martyrs and injured at Al-Shifa Medical Complex due to the bombing. It should be noted that the hospital housed hundreds of patients, wounded, and displaced people from their homes forcibly due to the airstrikes, the government statement said.

Hamas released a statement on the strike, calling it a "genocide."
The Al-Ahli Hospital Massacre in the heart of Gaza Strip is a genocide. Enough silence on the aggression and recklessness of the occupation, Hamas said in a statement.
Israel Defense Forces spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the IDF is looking into the reported strike, saying since it was fairly recent, the IDF is still unclear whether the hospital was hit by an Israeli Air Force (IAF) strike or failed Hamas launch.

Torgo posted...

We have propaganda like that here in the United States. Millions of people would not still believe Trump won in 2020 without a massive infrastructure of right wing misinformation delivery.

Anti-vax nonsense, Obama's Kenyan birth, Benghazi! lies, Clinton murder conspiracies, trans-panic, periodic border "invasions", Hunter Laptop...

It's a misinformation machine that keeps millions of Americans believing absolute baseless bullshit 24/7.

that's fair, but military propaganda isn't as powerful as it used to be. the wars in iraq and afghanistan have disillusioned most of the american people, just like the vietnam war did at one point. the dissenting voices in israel are silenced to make it appear tha the country is unified in "defending themselves"

Foppe posted...

Many people are "We have supported them for so long, if we back down now we will look stupid" and keeps supporting them.

No, its because the alternative is to believe a terrorists organization that attacked innocent people at a concert to initiate the current conflict.

Twitter and instant news are not helpful in this information battle. Everyone is in their own echo chamber and any opposing view is propaganda. With this hospital thing for example, if Israel did that its a war crime that should be condemned. But I dont think anyone can really conclude one way or another what happened an hour after the event and anyone making that conclusion right now is showing their bias.

whitelytning posted...

No, its because the alternative is to believe a terrorists organization that attacked innocent people at a concert to initiate the current conflict.

This isn't an isolated incident. Israel has repeatedly committed war crimes in Gaza, including before the current conflict, and this is well documented by sources outside of the conflict. Regardless of Hamas's reputation, it's well established that Israel is a terrorist state.

whitelytning posted...

No, its because the alternative is to believe a terrorists organization that attacked innocent people at a concert to initiate the current conflict.

Twitter and instant news are not helpful in this information battle. Everyone is in their own echo chamber and any opposing view is propaganda. With this hospital thing for example, if Israel did that its a war crime that should be condemned. But I dont think anyone can really conclude one way or another what happened an hour after the event and anyone making that conclusion right now is showing their bias.

Don't want to believe the past week's news? Fine. I'm all for it. But history? Israel's genocide of Palestinians isn't new. It's been ongoing, proven by the past few decades. Now they have an excuse to fool you so they can do it faster.

Also think, who has more of a capability of spread propaganda more? The whole western force that has a hand in your news cycle or Hamas?

DUKLegend posted...

Don't want to believe the past week's news? Fine. I'm all for it. But history? Israel's genocide of Palestinians isn't new. It's been ongoing, proven by the past few decades. Now they have an excuse to fool you so they can do it faster.

Also think, who has more of a capability of spread propaganda more? The whole western force that has a hand in your news cycle or Hamas?

I didnt say anything about history. I specifically mentioned the hospital story and instant news to make the point about instantly jumping to conclusions.

Jesus.

Palestinian Authority president declares 3 days of mourning after Gaza hospital strike
From CNN's AnneClaire Stapleton and Abeer Salman
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas declared three days of mourning for the victims of the Israeli airstrike on Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza, which the Palestinian Health Ministry said resulted in an estimated hundreds of deaths.
In a statement released by his office, the president also ordered that flags be flown at half-mast for the victims of the Israeli aggression on al-Ahli hospital and for all the people killed by the occupation."
The hospital was sheltering thousands of displaced people, the ministry said.
Israel Defense Forces spokesperson Daniel Hagari has said the IDF is looking into the reported strike

whitelytning posted...

I didnt say anything about history. I specifically mentioned the hospital story and instant news to make the point about instantly jumping to conclusions.

History would tell you that Israel is very capable and very willing to commit such an act.

I'm seeing comments stating the toll is 1,000 now. One saying it's 1,400. We will know soon.

https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1714345058206695516

anderson cooper correcting himself when he calls the hospital casualties "civilians"

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1714288774342148351

Trumble posted...

There is no way anyone actually still believes Israel at this point. Anyone claiming to should be assumed to know exactly what they're doing.

Sad thing is, many people is actually didn't believe Israel's lies, but still support them because they just want more Muslims dead.

WARNING: Be mindful of a big misinfo video being spread around of the supposed missile strike "confirming" that it was Hamas. It wasn't from today and wasn't the hospital, but it's quickly creating the narrative that it was Hamas.

MrMojoRising posted...

https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1714345058206695516

anderson cooper correcting himself when he calls the hospital casualties "civilians"

Hate to be a conspiracy nut but is this true blatant evidence that CNN is telling their anchors not to refer to Palestinians as civilians? Seems Anderson considered them as civilians on the fly but realized he wasn't supposed to say that.

VFalcone posted...

Hate to be a conspiracy nut but is this true blatant evidence that CNN is telling their anchors not to refer to Palestinians as civilians? Seems Anderson considered them as civilians on the fly but realized he wasn't supposed to say that.

Guess he wants to keep his CNN job...bleh.

Foppe posted...

Have they said why they attacked those ambulance and firemen earlier?

You know why they did it.

VFalcone posted...

Hate to be a conspiracy nut but is this true blatant evidence that CNN is telling their anchors not to refer to Palestinians as civilians? Seems Anderson considered them as civilians on the fly but realized he wasn't supposed to say that.

it's not a conspiracy. mainstream media acts as a propaganda arm not just for the U.S. government, but for the Israeli government as well, to varying degrees of course.

dehumanization is a slight, but noticeable way to serve the war interests.

VFalcone posted...

Hate to be a conspiracy nut but is this true blatant evidence that CNN is telling their anchors not to refer to Palestinians as civilians? Seems Anderson considered them as civilians on the fly but realized he wasn't supposed to say that.

CNN is currently owned by a guy who flat out said he wanted it to be Republican propaganda. It isn't exactly a conspiracy to say that they are doing something in line with what you would expect from Republican propaganda.

VFalcone posted...

WARNING: Be mindful of a big misinfo video being spread around of the supposed missile strike "confirming" that it was Hamas. It wasn't from today and wasn't the hospital, but it's quickly creating the narrative that it was Hamas.

This. Notably I know you're talking specifically about Israel War Room. Disgusting. Idiots didn't notice that they posted a video with all the lights on when Gaza has no electricity.

DUKLegend posted...

This. Notably I know you're talking specifically about Israel War Room. Disgusting. Idiots didn't notice that they posted a video with all the lights on when Gaza has no electricity.

I haven't seen the source of the video because I refused to click the links but, after seeing probably 30 comment chains on Reddit parroting the claim and being refuted with the same evidence, I felt I had to post here with the warning because no doubt someone would bring it up here too.

Unfortunately it's already too late to stop the misinformation. It has already spread deep into the reddit which has 33.4M subscribed users

Ya_dun_goofed posted...

I mean Hamas was always just a tool, and it seems their more extreme elements overstepped Irans comfort zone. I think Iran was happy with Hamas occasionally shooting a few rockets and failing to stir the pot too much, this most recent attack is the worst terror attack since 9/11 if we exclude states bombing civilians.

As for Bidens visit, I imagine hell be trying to pressure both sides into ending this, an escalation only risk this spreading.

No. Israel's attack on Gaza is a terror attack.

AJ said a IDF spokesperson confirmed the hospital was hit by them and that they had warned people to evacuate it lmao

Dozens killed as Israeli strikes hit southern Gaza refuge areas
"More than 100 Palestinians have been killed in air strikes in southern Gaza, officials say, as the Israeli military continues to target the area despite ordering civilians to shelter there."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133803

TheGreatEscape posted...

AJ said a IDF spokesperson confirmed the hospital was hit by them and that they had warned people to evacuate it lmao

I can't find this one. Not that we really need them to spell it out. Hamas doesn't have the capabilities to launch a rocket that demolishes a hospital like that and Israel HAS bombed hospitals before.

Edit: Found what you meant. AJ meant the hospital that was bombed 2 days ago and that 5 other hospitals were warned, including the one today. Not confirmation, but more evidence pointing to Israel. Again, as if we needed more.

r/worldnews moderators are actively closing and/or hiding comments in the megathread suggesting that the IDF bombed the hospital.

It's insane what that sub turned into within a week.

VFalcone posted...

Dozens killed as Israeli strikes hit southern Gaza refuge areas
"More than 100 Palestinians have been killed in air strikes in southern Gaza, officials say, as the Israeli military continues to target the area despite ordering civilians to shelter there."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133803

Jfc they're just going all out now

just to give you guys a sense of scale here and to put things into perspective:
what the israeli state does to palestinians is worse than the uyghur genocide in china

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas cancels meeting with Biden after hospital strike
From Abeer Salman
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has canceled his meeting with US President Joe Biden after a strike on the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza City, according to Palestinian officials a decision that comes on the eve of the US president's high-stakes visit to the region.
Abbas is traveling back to Ramallah and has called for an urgent meeting of the Palestinian leadership tonight following the strike on the hospital.
Palestinian officials have said between 200 to 300 people were killed in an Israeli strike, citing preliminary estimates.

Pentagon says "steady flow of weapons" to Israel will continue
From CNN's Natasha Bertrand
The Pentagon said there will continue to be a "steady flow of weapons" to Israel from the United States.
Deputy Pentagon press secretary Sabrina Singh said that as of Tuesday, there have been five C-17 aircraft missions that have successfully carried a range of security assistance into Israel."
Those flights happened between October 12-16, Singh said.

Israel isn't running out of bombs anytime soon. 6,000 launched between 10/7-10/12
'Israeli forces have dropped about 6,000 bombs on Gaza between October 7 and 12, the Israeli Air Force (IAF) said in a statement Thursday. '

CommonStar posted...

https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1714369464823857604

Btw Israel has now removed the video from their tweet.

DUKLegend posted...

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714371894521057737?s=20

Israel tried to post fake video footage on Twitter and was called out on it, so they edited it. You can click on "Last edited" to see prior post. They tried to lie to you. You caught them.

As CommonStar and DUKLegend have pointed out, the video used by the IDF as evidence that the missile was from Palestinian Jihadists had the incorrect time stamp compared to the actual time the event occurred. Said video was then deleted from IDF's update tweet.

They messed up.

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