Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 3 (Invasion for real this time?)

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Ferarri619
10/17/23 5:03:40 PM
#100:


If the casualties are this bad now, how bad do you think it will be after ground invasion?

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Starks
10/17/23 5:05:11 PM
#101:


VFalcone posted...
CommonStar posted...

DUKLegend posted...
As CommonStar and DUKLegend have pointed out, the video used by the IDF as evidence that the missile was from Palestinian Jihadists had the incorrect time stamp compared to the actual time the event occurred. Said video was then deleted from IDF's update tweet.

They messed up.
https://13tv.co.il/item/news/politics/security/tev4z-903755815/

This one too?

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KTG2
10/17/23 5:05:32 PM
#102:


Israel continuing its genocidal rampage by blowing up a hospital full of innocent people

I'm sure the GameFAQs chapter of the IDF is already running propaganda

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ZaruenKosai
10/17/23 5:08:46 PM
#103:


KTG2 posted...


I'm sure the GameFAQs chapter of the IDF is already running propaganda
Did they hire Starks and TomJoad?

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Starks
10/17/23 5:13:39 PM
#104:


ZaruenKosai posted...
looks like they hired starks
I don't know how you explain a dozen rockets being launched and then one immediately fails in the same frame. There were no IDF strikes in the area at the time.

And I'll reiterate that I've been to Israel on birthright and regret it. My group was full of garbage people that ruined otherwise good experiences.

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KTG2
10/17/23 5:13:45 PM
#105:


If you're still pulling for Israel here, I don't really know what to say other than you need to look deep inside yourself and figure out what the fuck is wrong with you

Free Palestine.

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Starks
10/17/23 5:17:07 PM
#106:


Get off your high horse and present better evidence.

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PballDepot
10/17/23 5:20:05 PM
#107:


Starks posted...
Get off your high horse and present better evidence.

What high horse, you're literally spreading and promoting misinformation in both topics

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Starks
10/17/23 5:21:11 PM
#108:


PballDepot posted...
What high horse, you're literally spreading and promoting misinformation in both topics
I will happily retract anything as needed.

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ScazarMeltex
10/17/23 5:24:51 PM
#109:


Starks posted...
I don't know how you explain a dozen rockets being launched and then one immediately fails in the same frame. There were no IDF strikes in the area at the time.

And I'll reiterate that I've been to Israel on birthright and regret it. My group was full of garbage people that ruined otherwise good experiences.
The timestamp on the video Israel released (then retracted) was incorrect. It was a lie, and they got caught.

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Starks
10/17/23 5:26:26 PM
#110:


ScazarMeltex posted...
The timestamp on the video Israel released (then retracted) was incorrect. It was a lie, and they got caught.
I'm looking at a different video from a different angle. The newest video.

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ScazarMeltex
10/17/23 5:27:34 PM
#111:


Starks posted...
I'm looking at a different video from a different angle. The newest video.
Ah, haven't yet seen anything new.

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KTG2
10/17/23 5:33:54 PM
#112:


Starks posted...
Get off your high horse and present better evidence.

How about the fucking exploded hospital?

What's Hamas got that's leveling a hospital?

Can you answer that?

Israel can't, which is why they're lying *again*

Imagine supporting genocidal fascists. You make me sick.

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Starks
10/17/23 5:37:43 PM
#113:


KTG2 posted...
How about the fucking exploded hospital?

What's Hamas got that's leveling a hospital?

Can you answer that?

Israel can't, which is why they're lying *again*

Imagine supporting genocidal fascists. You make me sick.
Who said it was Hamas? PIJ has the necessary weapons to do this.

I am one of the chief opponents of the Israeli government and its policies on this board. Calm the fuck down.

If you assume the hospital had no flammable materials or ammo storage, then yes it wouldn't make sense for a simple crude rocket to do it. But we clearly see in videos that much larger rockets are being launched towards Haifa.

Five Eyes intel will make it very clear who did this.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 6:18:42 PM
#114:


https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1714376384464736653?s=20

The whole thread is worth reading.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 6:26:13 PM
#116:


CommonStar posted...

People keep quote tweeting that thread without scrolling down to see what they say.

https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714370703565205787
https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714370988907929634

As far as I can tell, he's just a random dude. People are quoting his tweet because he posted the video.

The guy I posted elaborates in more detail than "Yousuf" did.

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CommonStar
10/17/23 6:27:23 PM
#117:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
As far as I can tell, he's just a random dude. People are quoting his tweet because he posted the video.

The guy I posted elaborates in more detail than "Yousuf" did.
Yeah I deleted.
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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 6:30:58 PM
#118:


https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049?s=20

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PballDepot
10/17/23 6:36:42 PM
#119:


This is why propaganda and misinformation works so well, because there's an endless supply of idiots willing to spread it.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 6:49:14 PM
#120:


IDF supposedly has a recorded conversation from Palestine where they admitted it was a misfired rocket.

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Strider102
10/17/23 6:51:58 PM
#121:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
IDF supposedly has a recorded conversation from Palestine where they admitted it was a misfired rocket.

They've also changed the story and blamed different parties 4-5 times.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 6:57:12 PM
#122:


Strider102 posted...
They've also changed the story and blamed different parties 4-5 times.

Guy on CNN said it will be released within the hour.

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Trumble
10/17/23 6:57:22 PM
#123:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
IDF supposedly has a recorded conversation from Palestine where they admitted it was a misfired rocket.
"Hello fellow Palestinians, I sure do enjoy misfiring rockets!"

Something like that, no doubt.

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Ronaldo
10/17/23 7:02:01 PM
#124:


More likely it will be a misfired rocket.
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Starks
10/17/23 7:14:52 PM
#125:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
Guy on CNN said it will be released within the hour.
The IDF guy? It sounds like they're racing to declassify.

I would like to see that.

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PballDepot
10/17/23 7:17:51 PM
#126:


Iran signaling holy war?

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1714404591641481575?s=20

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VFalcone
10/17/23 7:18:21 PM
#127:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
IDF supposedly has a recorded conversation from Palestine where they admitted it was a misfired rocket.
How would the IDF even HAVE something like that????

PballDepot posted...
Iran signaling holy war?

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1714417706772947147?s=20
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Xenogears15
10/17/23 7:18:41 PM
#128:


PballDepot posted...
Iran signaling holy war?

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1714417706772947147?s=20

"Not found"

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PballDepot
10/17/23 7:20:03 PM
#129:


Xenogears15 posted...
"Not found"

fixed, the other link got deleted

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punkfanalways
10/17/23 7:21:50 PM
#130:


Wow. The post mentioning hitler is still up and I got suspended for a mistype. Sigh.
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VFalcone
10/17/23 7:22:21 PM
#131:


PballDepot posted...
fixed, the other link got deleted
The comments are saying it's a declaration of war/vengeance... I had actually forgotten about Iran already but they were threatening for a bit. The hospital event may have pushed them over the edge.

We also must keep a close eye on Lebanon, Syria, and other middle eastern countries. They might be angry enough for war now.
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thronedfire2
10/17/23 7:23:54 PM
#132:


yeah blowing up 500 people in a hospital is a pretty good way to make some people angry

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Strider102
10/17/23 7:23:58 PM
#133:


PballDepot posted...
Iran signaling holy war?

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1714404591641481575?s=20

Religious revolt and engagement in battle.

Welp

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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 7:24:33 PM
#134:


Starks posted...
The IDF guy? It sounds like they're racing to declassify.

Yeah.

VFalcone posted...
How would the IDF even HAVE something like that????

Intercepted.

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Enclave
10/17/23 7:24:36 PM
#135:


Unfortunately nowadays a recorded conversation means basically nothing considering how easy it is to fake voices.

This world is completely fucked by the way with how easy it is to fake voices and even video.

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Ya_dun_goofed
10/17/23 7:26:13 PM
#136:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
Guy on CNN said it will be released within the hour.

do you believe it? Kinda easy to fake that shit.

Regardless, the war needs to end immediately and Biden needs to put his foot down on this issue. Bombing the hell out of a densely populated area is always going to have high civilian death counts.

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VFalcone
10/17/23 7:34:20 PM
#137:


I'm reading comments that the black flag might also just be for mourning and mourning only
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PballDepot
10/17/23 7:36:54 PM
#138:


VFalcone posted...
I'm reading comments that the black flag might also just be for mourning and mourning only

Yeah people seem mixed between it being a flag of mourning or one for vengeance, sure we'll find out soon.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 7:41:06 PM
#139:


Ya_dun_goofed posted...
do you believe it? Kinda easy to fake that shit.

Regardless, the war needs to end immediately and Biden needs to put his foot down on this issue. Bombing the hell out of a densely populated area is always going to have high civilian death counts.

Just forget about the 100+ hostages?

Hamas intended to start the war. Why would they have a sudden change of heart?

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ironman2009
10/17/23 7:53:01 PM
#140:


https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1714426083678851116?t=P5hy06wFxPZ_C4EMbrUniA&s=19

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MarcyWarcy
10/17/23 8:14:52 PM
#141:


trusting israeli comments about this stuff, whatever they produce, makes about as much sense as trusting russia when they make statements about their activities in ukraine. they are known liars even in much less high pressure situations than this when it comes to palestine

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Starks
10/17/23 8:22:46 PM
#142:


MarcyWarcy posted...
trusting israeli comments about this stuff, whatever they produce, makes about as much sense as trusting russia when they make statements about their activities in ukraine. they are known liars even in much less high pressure situations than this when it comes to palestine
OSINT matches the IDF account

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Tom_Joad
10/17/23 8:32:51 PM
#143:


KTG2 posted...
What's Hamas got that's leveling a hospital?

An armory. HAMAS has a history of placing their weapon stockpiles in hospitals. Which is perfidy under the laws of war. Doing so is a war crime and the party doing so bears full responsibility for any loss of life that happens because of it.

That's international law.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/17/23 8:34:41 PM
#144:


MarcyWarcy posted...
trusting israeli comments about this stuff, whatever they produce, makes about as much sense as trusting russia when they make statements about their activities in ukraine. they are known liars even in much less high pressure situations than this when it comes to palestine

We'll get an assessment about what happened from international experts soon enough.

In the mean time, I'm included to believe Israel over the word of a terrorist group. Especially when the evidence appears to be supporting the IDF's claims.

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DnDer
10/17/23 8:56:53 PM
#145:


Starks posted...
If you assume the hospital had no flammable materials or ammo storage, then yes it wouldn't make sense for a simple crude rocket to do it.

I know it's Palestine, and I know what the IDF says every other time they bomb a hospital or school, but shouldn't the default assumption be that a hospital does not have ammo storage?

Starks posted...
Five Eyes intel will make it very clear who did this.

EFF has been writing stories about how the Five Eyes wants to secretly decrypt everything via backdoor and access our communications. Do you sincerely believe they'd reveal what they actually know, given their stated goals for "law enforcement purposes?"

Above and beyond the Five Eyes' interest and associations with Israel?

I'm going to be very skeptical of the countries (at least one of them) that said (as linked above in this topic) they're going to keep an unending flow of weapons to the people allegedly bombing hospitals for "security reasons."

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Tom_Joad
10/17/23 9:03:05 PM
#146:


DnDer posted...
I know it's Palestine, and I know what the IDF says every other time they bomb a hospital or school, but shouldn't the default assumption be that a hospital does not have ammo storage?

Considering their history, the default should be that they will continue doing what they've been doing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War#Medical_facilities_and_personnel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War#Military_use_of_UN_facilities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War#Use_of_civilian_structures_for_military_purposes

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DUKLegend
10/17/23 9:27:46 PM
#147:


Good interview despite it being Piers Morgan

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Trumble
10/17/23 9:51:53 PM
#148:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
We'll get an assessment about what happened from international experts soon enough.

In the mean time, I'm included to believe Israel over the word of a terrorist group. Especially when the evidence appears to be supporting the IDF's claims.
If being a terrorist group disqualified you from believing them you would not believe IDF either.

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Ya_dun_goofed
10/17/23 10:16:38 PM
#149:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
Just forget about the 100+ hostages?

Hamas intended to start the war. Why would they have a sudden change of heart?

Putting pressure to end the conflict doesn't mean we have to abandon hostages.

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VFalcone
10/17/23 10:58:35 PM
#150:


Some updates..

  • Hezbollah announces day of unprecedented anger after hospital bombing. Both IDF, PIJ, and Hamas all deny involvement https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-768901
  • US issues travel warning for Lebanon (for the insane people who still want to go) https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1714404591641481575
  • [Unconfirmed] Israelis protesting in Istanbul. Not sure why yet https://twitter.com/AusNews360/status/1714459987001680057
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