Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 3 (Invasion for real this time?)

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Antifar
10/19/23 8:58:18 PM
#301:


The striking thing in that poll is independents being more opposed than Democrats

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ClayGuida
10/19/23 9:01:42 PM
#302:


I'm unsure what the numbers were for Ukraine 2 weeks after Russia invaded but I bet it was far better than this.

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mustachedmystic
10/19/23 9:05:52 PM
#303:


ZaruenKosai posted...
if there is one thing you can say about the United States, for sure, is that USA has a strong as fuck military, it is most definitely not a paper tiger like Russia.
And Israels military is a tiny version of ours. I am trembling at the thought of the carnage(on both sides), when they finally send the troops into Gaza.


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ClayGuida
10/19/23 9:11:23 PM
#304:


https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1715149117767225769?s=19

Tides are changing. This could have a rippling effect moving forward.

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Blue_Thunder
10/19/23 10:19:50 PM
#305:


Sending weapons just feels like a way of escalating what's already happening.

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JuanCarlos1
10/19/23 10:32:32 PM
#306:


ClayGuida posted...
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1715149117767225769?s=19

Tides are changing. This could have a rippling effect moving forward.


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Talk2DaHand
10/19/23 10:59:38 PM
#307:


This is a genocide, not a war

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McSame_as_Bush
10/19/23 11:21:18 PM
#308:


ClayGuida posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/7/AAXc3pAAE895.jpg

Maybe Americans are over Israel.

I'd be curious how many Republicans are for helping Israel but against helping Ukraine. Of all the combinations, that seems like the one ideologically incoherent one, so it's probably a lot.

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VFalcone
10/20/23 12:18:12 AM
#309:


ClayGuida posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/7/AAXc3pAAE895.jpg

Maybe Americans are over Israel.
Could be one of many reasons.

  • Non-republicans are generally anti-war
  • Non-republicans are more likely to support Palestine's well-being and condemn Israel. Likewise, they're less likely to think Israel is in need of aid
  • Non-republicans are more likely to think that support should be distributed amongst Americans instead, in this instance.
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MarcyWarcy
10/20/23 1:23:00 AM
#310:


https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1715128417736110358?s=20

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Arcanine2009
10/20/23 1:43:18 AM
#311:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
I'd be curious how many Republicans are for helping Israel but against helping Ukraine. Of all the combinations, that seems like the one ideologically incoherent one, so it's probably a lot.
Lets see what Kevin Sorbo thinks about this.

MarcyWarcy posted...
https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1715128417736110358?s=20
Let me guess. They thought Hamas hid in there. Israel is probably gonna end up killing half of the people that Hamas kidnapped when this is over.

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Vyrulisse
10/20/23 1:56:05 AM
#312:


Why the hell does Israel need anything from us? Their military isn't a joke as it is and it's definitely a juggernaut compared to what they'll be facing in Gaza.

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VFalcone
10/20/23 2:01:54 AM
#313:


MarcyWarcy posted...
https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1715128417736110358?s=20
For fuck's fucking sake. I guess Hamas, the Muslim terrorist group, was hanging out in a Christian church, am I right?
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Trumble
10/20/23 2:04:02 AM
#314:


VFalcone posted...
For fuck's fucking sake. I guess Hamas, the Muslim terrorist group, was hanging out in a Christian church, am I right?
Hopefully this is a wake-up call to at least some of the hardline Christians who have previously defended Israel.

It probably won't be, but one can hope.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/20/23 8:37:52 AM
#315:


VFalcone posted...
For fuck's fucking sake. I guess Hamas, the Muslim terrorist group, was hanging out in a Christian church, am I right?

There's pictures of the church itself apparently intact with damage to other buildings on the property.

Hard to know at this point what happened.

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ZaruenKosai
10/20/23 9:17:14 AM
#316:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
There's pictures of the church itself apparently intact with damage to other buildings on the property.

Hard to know at this point what happened.
Hard to know what? Whether or not Israel actually bombed the church?

pbs has a confirmed article about it.

It's confirmed that they did. 40 people confirmed dead already.

Or whether they hit the church directly or not?
So just because they didnt hit the church directly, that justfiies it? Hell No.

It still counts as bombing a church. Whether they bombed the churhc, or the church parking lot, it's still bombing the church, and
it was Israel that did it in an airstrike... this much is undeniable...


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Intro2Logic
10/20/23 12:57:37 PM
#317:


More polling:
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2023/10/19/voters-agree-the-us-should-call-for-a-ceasefire-and-de-escalation-of-violence-in-gaza

Two-thirds of voters want a ceasefire. What percent of elected officials want one? 10 percent? If that?

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ClayGuida
10/20/23 1:16:08 PM
#318:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3rytiINiUo&ab_channel=shadowfox1030

Jimmy Carter talking about his book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid in 2006. Gets pushback because he says it's the greatest atrocity occurring, the host wants to keep bringing up Rwanda.

I'll be honest, I never really gave a shit about this until I saw a Vice documentary about Israel opening up a mail delivery warehouse to allow Palestinians to collect their shipped mail, and it was decades old. That's when I was like, wait what the literal fuck, they were refusing to deliver mail to Palestinians for a decade. Then I started seeing them murder journalists. Then Trump got elected, moved the embassy, then shit hit the fan again and then you started seeing Israeli soldiers antagonizing, murdering, or otherwise tormenting Palestinians. Going to a funeral and gassing it, is not 'defending' yourself. Gassing churches because some kids threw rocks at you, is not 'defending' yourself. Disrupting a funeral service by gassing people, again, not defending.

Tack all this onto Bibi being corrupt, and a fascist, there's no reason to support Israel in its current form. The more I read about it, the more it appalls me how this just goes on and nobody gives a shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlemAfso3n0&ab_channel=CharlieRose

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Foppe
10/20/23 1:23:38 PM
#319:


Hamas is supposed to have released two American hostages.

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CommonStar
10/20/23 2:39:25 PM
#320:


https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/status/1715422493274427414
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FlyEaglesFly24
10/20/23 2:41:29 PM
#321:


Foppe posted...
Hamas is supposed to have released two American hostages.

Free them all

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name_unknown
10/20/23 2:43:52 PM
#322:


Even if IDF denies the hospital 24-48hrs later a church was bombed.
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SaikyoStyle
10/20/23 2:51:20 PM
#323:


Trumble posted...
Hopefully this is a wake-up call to at least some of the hardline Christians who have previously defended Israel.

It probably won't be, but one can hope.
Losing a building theyve never heard of means nothing when their goal is to kickstart the rapture.

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hockeybub89
10/20/23 2:57:29 PM
#324:


Maybe Biden can slap a Post-it note on the aid for the IDF that says "We'll be very disappointed if you keep murdering innocent people!"

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VFalcone
10/20/23 4:34:58 PM
#325:


  • IDF orders Al-Quds hospital to evacuate. This is the hospital that was nearly destroyed by bombings that landed very close to it. Despite that, hospital staff heroically remain according to their daily reports...https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1715415685096931626 and https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/red-crescent-raises-alarm-saying-that-idf-ordered-evacuation-of-gaza-hospital/
  • Daily Al-Quds reports:
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/summary-palestinian-red-crescent-societys-weekly-response-report-saturday-07102023-0600-until-saturday-16102023-2400
  • Hamas releases 2 American hostages and they are safe, according to State Department briefing. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-releases-two-us-hostages-for-humanitarian-reasons-response-qatari-efforts-2023-10-20
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McSame_as_Bush
10/20/23 4:50:49 PM
#326:


VFalcone posted...
* IDF orders Al-Quds hospital to evacuate. This is the hospital that was nearly destroyed by bombings that landed very close to it. Despite that, hospital staff heroically remain according to their daily reports...https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1715415685096931626

International community needs to stop terrorists from blowing up their own hospitals?

Anyways, after witnessing the backlash to Al-Ahli, I bet Israel stays away.

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10/20/23 9:03:32 PM
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VFalcone
10/20/23 11:19:35 PM
#327:


Surprisingly, there haven't been any death toll updates at all so far today
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ZaruenKosai
10/20/23 11:33:56 PM
#328:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
International community needs to stop terrorists from blowing up their own hospitals?
it's not hamas conducting the air strikes , that would be the IDF.

IDF needs to stop bombing the hospitals in their air strikes.

the tweet is implying that to avoid another disaster with so many casualties, regardless of who did the first attack, IDFl is threatening to conduct the 2ndf, whther they go through with or not, only time will tell, I am sure they will and find a way to spin it as not them.

either way I think it is implying that they dont want another situation with a hundreds dead/wounded if it can be avoided.

well the tweet might also be implying that IDFis to blame for the 1st hospital attack, (I am still under that belief as well but just mentioning it to clarify why the tweet is saying what it is saying.

McSame_as_Bush posted...
Anyways, after witnessing the backlash to Al-Ahli, I bet Israel stays away.
i bet they don't stay away and that they do bomb the hospital .

IDF is not one to show restraint.

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Humble_Novice
10/21/23 4:41:21 AM
#330:


https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1714691024902045747

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Ferarri619
10/21/23 5:55:04 AM
#331:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1714691024902045747

This waste of space human should have stayed in prison for life

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VFalcone
10/21/23 7:51:32 AM
#332:


  • 4,385 Palestinians dead (1,661 children, CNN) (70% of dead are women, children, and elderly, Al Jazeera), 13,561 injured. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-20-23/h_45b777a0d9a988a1898dbfb9656f5fca and https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2023/10/20/israel-gaza-war-live-hamas-releases-two-american-captives-from-gaza (includes the 20th)
  • Israel tolls remain 1,400 deaths
  • Israel forces shutdowns of Al Jazeera facilities after Al Jazeera suggested that Israel bombed the hospital https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Israel-Closes-Al-Jazeera-Facilities-20231020-0010.html
  • [Unconfirmed] US and Israel discussing the creation of an interim government within Gaza https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1715646582064857153
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darkace77450
10/21/23 4:06:32 PM
#333:


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4266940-omar-voicemails-threats-family/

Im from a militant group, a caller in a voicemail says in one, according to NBC. I cant wait till our group sees you one day and I can rip your fing rag off your head I hope the Israelis kill every fing one of you.
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Zikten
10/21/23 6:39:20 PM
#334:


Ferarri619 posted...
This waste of space human should have stayed in prison for life
For what crime?
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ZechtAurion
10/21/23 6:52:51 PM
#335:


Zikten posted...
For what crime?
I'm too afraid to look up details but you can google "Chris Chan" and see for yourself.
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Trumble
10/21/23 7:05:09 PM
#336:


Zikten posted...
For what crime?
Ones not related to the subject at hand.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/21/23 7:38:53 PM
#337:


CNN investigation finds that the rocket that hit the hospital originated from Gaza.

Imagine the reaction if Israel blew up their own hospital and tried to blame Hamas for it.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/21/23 7:41:57 PM
#338:


https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1715846121950437513?s=20

Something everyone can get behind.

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ZaruenKosai
10/21/23 7:43:58 PM
#339:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
CNN investigation finds that the rocket that hit the hospital originated from Gaza.
Forensic analysis of images and videos suggests

Without the ability to access the site and gather evidence from the ground, no conclusion can be definitive.

They are merely saying what they are paid to say. Do you really think they would have permission to Report

"BREAKING NEWS : We find out that Israel is indeed responsible for the attack on the hospital... .. "

They will never be able to say that , at least not before Biden makes a new statement, and he won't do that unless he has no other choice to do so since he doesn't want to make Israel look bad.

CNN Is not trustworthy to report on that, and that article says no proof or evidence, only suggestions based on forensic analysis of the images and video.

Anyways, even if Israel is not responsible for that attack , it changes nothing , it doesn't make the other countless atrocities untrue. If it wasn't Israel for that specific attack, it wasn't Israel. Everything else was still Israel at the end of the day so like I said, changes nothing.


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hockeybub89
10/21/23 7:46:26 PM
#340:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1715846121950437513?s=20

Something everyone can get behind.
A decent-sized contingent of people would unironically say those families are pro-Hamas antisemites.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/21/23 7:47:28 PM
#341:


ZaruenKosai posted...
Forensic analysis of images and videos suggests

Without the ability to access the site and gather evidence from the ground, no conclusion can be definitive.

They are merely saying what they are paid to say. CNN Is not trustworthy to report on that, and that article says no proof or evidence, only based on forensic analysis of the images and video.

Okay, so what do the intel agencies say?

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Evil_Nice_Guy
10/21/23 7:51:56 PM
#342:


hockeybub89 posted...
A decent-sized contingent of people would unironically say those families are pro-Hamas antisemites.

Hell I know someone who thinks that any Jew who is against Bibi is a self-hating Jew!
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FlyEaglesFly24
10/21/23 8:02:07 PM
#343:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1715846121950437513?s=20

Something everyone can get behind.

Bibi is used to this. True story, from 2009-2010 my wife used to live in an apartment building that was really close to the Prime Ministers residence off King George Street in Jerusalem. And every weekend (I think mostly Fridays) we would see protestors outside the prime ministers residence demanding the return of Gilat Shalit at any cost. It took them four years to figure that one out.

But Bibis approval rating is in the toilet. It might be the next guys job to figure out the hostage thing.

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Kradek
10/21/23 9:05:39 PM
#344:


In 6 days Israel dropped 6000 bombs on Gaza, the same amount they dropped within 52 days during 2014.

I'm fairly certain Israel has a healthy stockpile of U.S.-funded arms if they feel like they can just flippantly drop 6k bombs because they know they have more or they will receive more from the U.S.

Surely by now we've given them enough to defend themselves for decades if they weren't doing genocidally wasteful things like dropping 6000 bombs in 6 days to prove a point.

They'll never learn as long as they know we'll just keep resupplying them.

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VFalcone
10/22/23 1:46:23 AM
#345:


  • Israel says they plan on increasing strike frequency starting Saturday (now yesterday) as the next stage of attack on Gaza https://time.com/6326885/israel-gaza-strikes-increase-plans
  • Antisemitic hate crimes are up 1,350% in London https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/oct/20/antisemitic-hate-crimes-in-london-rise-1350-since-israel-hamas-war-met-says
  • In response to Iran threats, the US now deploying an additional battleship named the Eisenhower CSG along with other high-powered weapons https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1715926385334587517
  • IDF threatens for the nth time that they will definitely, absolutely, for sure this time, enter Gaza https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1715774422030668046
News from within Gaza is pretty lacking right now. More will be out by morning most likely
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ClayGuida
10/22/23 12:44:03 PM
#346:


https://twitter.com/SolDhunga/status/1715884733614436602

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McSame_as_Bush
10/22/23 2:00:07 PM
#347:


ClayGuida posted...
https://twitter.com/SolDhunga/status/1715884733614436602

I like Ali. That's a succinct and fair summary. Until Israel stops electing the people they keep on electing, there won't be a two-party solution. Every new settlement is like poking Palestinians in the eye. Hamas also needs to go for the same reason. When you blame the Jews for the French Revolution, communist revolutions, World War I, and World War II, and say that Islam needs to obliterate Israel...that's not a workable relationship.

The blockade on Gaze needs to end, but Israel does need to retain extensive border security for obvious reasons.

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Foppe
10/22/23 2:00:41 PM
#348:


Seems like Israel shelled an Egypt position by mistake.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/22/23 2:06:16 PM
#349:


Foppe posted...
Seems like Israel shelled an Egypt position by mistake.

Thankfully only minor injuries. Israel apologized.

https://twitter.com/jackryan212/status/1716134295197106510?s=20

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darkace77450
10/22/23 2:43:06 PM
#350:


Foppe posted...
Seems like Israel shelled an Egypt position by mistake.

In the span of two weeks Israel has bombed an Egyptian observation tower, members of the international press, UN workers, and Palestinian civilians, including a column of evacuees. Is it too much to ask that the IDF confirm their targets before opening fire?
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