Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong

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Lopen posted...

Who is the scum then

UltimaterializerX posted...

Id genuinely be shocked if any of the other unpaired on this list are scum.

I think he just wasn't counting himself as not-scum

Ulti I agree that Lea should be on the table, but JC would have to show up in the next hour to breakup before she can hold her date hostage and stockholm syndrome him.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Two of Lea, Sultan, and Chris.

Explain Peaf then.

Because I don't believe Peaf just does that as a desperate self clear gambit

That's why Red's logic you loved so much is bad.

If you're town then the scumteam is Kirby and Dumey and I know exactly what's going to happen to end the day.

Lopen you're unwilling to accept anything but your grand theory. It could be just Peaf/Lea. The whole situation makes sense with just Peaf/Lea.

It could also literally just be Peaf and he had a FAFO moment. He does stupid stuff sometimes for fun. If it was just resolving the lynch by testing the other lead candidate, I would be with you. But there are too many possible answers to cleanly figure out what happened there right now.

EDumey posted...

I guess what I'm asking you here Kirby, is after you went after Sultan for saving Chris, are you comfortable saving Ulti over Isquen or Corrik?

This is your spoiler btw Ulti

Be afraid of your pair up right now.

EDumey posted...

The whole situation makes sense with just Peaf/Lea.

Not at all. Explain to me why it makes sense.

EDumey posted...

I guess what I'm asking you here Kirby, is after you went after Sultan for saving Chris, are you comfortable saving Ulti over Isquen or Corrik?

Finally, someone asking a reasonable question.

Here's how I'd rank everyone unpaired + Ulti in terms of towniness:

#1 - Lopen
#2 - Dumey
#3 - Everyone else

If it comes down to it and you're in danger, I might split off from Ulti to save you. I do think Ulti is likelier to be town than scum, but I can say similar arguments for Red, Corrik, and Isquen. So they're all basically the same to me in the end.

Really, my #1 suspect right now is Sultan. I don't feel strongly about anyone left in the unpaired pool besides Lopen. Admittedly, I'm not even sure if you're town, Dumey, but I like your content better than the alternatives. I'm town leaning on you, but I could be convinced you're scum, too. I'm just not feeling the scum vibes from you in a particularly strong way.

EDumey posted...

Ulti I agree that Lea should be on the table, but JC would have to show up in the next hour to breakup before she can hold her date hostage and stockholm syndrome him.

This, exactly. We can't determine who dies from among the list of people who are immune. All we can do is make the best shot from those available, which if we're lucky will still include scum, but might not. So pick someone who's flip will be revealing regardless.

I mean hell, I wanted red to be an option day 1, but thanks to it was literally not possible. Those are the kind of roadblocks we're going to run into in this setup.

Kirby321 posted...

If it comes down to it and you're in danger, I might split off from Ulti to save you. I do think Ulti is likelier to be town than scum

Ulti

You see what they're doing right here

Red

Pair with Corrik or Isquen
I pair with the other

Kirby321 posted...

If it comes down to it and you're in danger, I might split off from Ulti to save you.

you do realize that if you are "gone for a few hours" that literally won't be possible, right?

Mutual breakup protocol begins in 53 minutes.

UltimaterializerX posted...

He was in a tiebreaker as scum and didnt save himself.

Way less risk reward there

If he saves himself he is probably lynched immediately the next day

That play made more sense than this ever will unless other scum exist in that scramble. Peaf and 4 town makes zero sense.

Lopen posted...

Red

Pair with Corrik or Isquen
I pair with the other

You are talking to the wrong person. Red already sent invites to everyone, you need to be telling THEM to accept.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

you do realize that if you are "gone for a few hours" that literally won't be possible, right?

It's because he isn't thinking about the game and this is theatre for Dumey and Kirby to pair and kill Ulti

Meh, I'm moody. And Chris especially pissed me off.

I'll still be around. I just felt like I was going insane, but talking things out in a reasonable matter has made me more level-headed.

Corrik or Isquen please accept Red's invite

Lopen posted...

It's because he isn't thinking about the game and this is theatre for Dumey and Kirby to pair and kill Ulti

If you could just shut up for like another hour, that'd be great

Lopen posted...

Not at all. Explain to me why it makes sense.

Lea and JC broke up with public plan to have JC date Kirby.
Lea was left with no offramp to save herself.
She can't just take the Kirby date from JC without looking horrible.
She propositions me for a date to break up me and Peaf.
I accept, acknowledging that Peaf really has no motivation to do so as Town or Scum.
Peaf breaks up and tries to snipe Kirby.

Here's how it could have gone:

Lea dates JC again and leaves me in the cold.
Lea follow through on dating me and leaves JC in the cold.

But Kirby doesn't accept Peaf's date, and they have to call an audible. FD breaks up with Lopen and adds more variables. Peaf accidentally gets left out.

Here is the problem Dumey

Peaf was paired with town
Town was up to be lynched

Why bother. Just go to bed

Like the gambit makes sense with Lea + Peaf even less because Lea can just use her cha score to save herself.

Lea can literally just do the gambit herself if she's scum. Peaf is a pointless game piece.

Lopen posted...

Here is the problem Dumey

Peaf was paired with town
Town was up to be lynched

Why bother. Just go to bed

Lopen posted...

Like the gambit makes sense with Lea + Peaf even less because Lea can just use her cha score to save herself.

Lea can literally just do the gambit herself if she's scum. Peaf is a pointless game piece.

LEA WAS THE ONE IN DANGER.

If no one broke up, and Lea steals Kirby from JC after establishing a plan to have JC date Kirby, she is committing suicide.

EDumey posted...

LEA WAS THE ONE IN DANGER.

If no one broke up, and Lea steals Kirby from JC after establishing a plan to have JC date Kirby, she is committing suicide.

Lea was in danger when Lea and JC pointlessly broke up to save town Kirby? It still doesn't make sense because scum is throwing themselves into the pool when paired with town to save town. You just made it make less sense one step earlier.

If Lea is going to do that play she's doing it on audacious believe in her charisma and wouldn't bother to bring other scum in.

You've really got to expand your mind to lynch people this game. You have to be prepared to seduce and manipulate people and their loved ones. For example, if you want to lynch me, you can try to trick me by appealing to my ego and showmanship, be all "Lea we need you to break up and try and seduce X scum couple, only you've got the mad skills for it!" Or if you are pissed off by Chris, you can work to steal Sultan from him by making yourself more appealing. Etc!

##Breakup

Be free, Ulti, if that is what you believe you must do

Ulti I'm coming around to you being town unfortunately I think Kirby and Dumey have positioned themselves to plausibly date anyone that isn't them.

Except for me.

I suggest you date Corrik or Isquen and Red date the other.

We shall have glorious combat. Oh I love it

I want the final 3 to be

Kirby
Dumey
Lopen

Lopen posted...

Lea was in danger when Lea and JC pointlessly broke up to save town Kirby? It still doesn't make sense because scum is throwing themselves into the pool when paired with town to save town. You just made it make less sense one step earlier.

If Lea is going to do that play she's doing it on audacious believe in her charisma and wouldn't bother to bring other scum in.

Lea's charisma is just a lever you use to fix whatever argument you like. I can't wait for you to be incredibly wrong on all of this D1 analysis. I really hope Peaf just FAFO'd so we can eternalize this game as the reason why Lopen can't read Peaf ever again.

Scum Chris is sitting back and laughing at town Lopen and Dumey arguing btw.

It's pointless because Lopen's gonna be all "OMG LOOK I WAS RIGHT Kirby tried to kill Ulti HE'S SCUM ZOMG"

Even if Ulti tried to break up first. Even if Ulti flips town.

There's no reasoning with him. Nobody has provided a good argument for why I need to die, so I simply refuse :P

##Date: Dumey

And if Lopen decides to change his mind, ##Date: Lopen

Date Dumey then.

I'm 99% sure Kirby is scum because scum being at risk is what makes the play necessary and dude has been all over the place

EDumey posted...

Scum Chris is sitting back and laughing at town Lopen and Dumey arguing btw.

For real. The answer is probably just as simple as Chris and Sultan

I'm not convinced he's emotional. He has no reason to be currently

Lopen posted...

Date Dumey then.

I'm 99% sure Kirby is scum because scum being at risk is what makes the play necessary and dude has been all over the place

Right, I'm the one all over the place and not the Sultan who can't even be consistent with his own reads

I am not comfortable dating Red.

Isquen would you consider dating Ulti again, if it means Corrik is the one at risk?

I need to save Corrik and Isquen

That's all that's important here. They're both town imo