Current Events > woman who left toddler alone (baby died) to go on vacation sentenced to life

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RetuenOfDevsman posted...

I can think of no way in which this could possibly not count as premeditated murder.

Unless you think she went to check the mail and some people kidnapped her and forced her onto a cruise ship.

No premeditated would mean she planned It before hand.

You could simply insult me and I kill you for it right then. It wouldn't be premeditated.

And that's basically how this works. As heinous as it might be its viewed to be worse if you planned ahead of time rather than acting in the moment.

She's have to be a hardcore psychopath to be able to live with herself after this. What did she think the outcome would be after the vacation was over?

She really should have just got an abortion if she couldn't handle parenting.

Some choice lines from the CNN article to break you apart even more.

A neighbors doorbell camera captured the 16-month olds frequent screams, including one around 1 a.m. two days after her mother left.

At her sentencing Monday, forensic pathologist Elizabeth Mooney told a Cleveland courtroom that children experience the most extreme separation anxiety between nine and 18 months. She recounted Jailyns excruciating final days.
The pain and suffering she endured lasted not only hours, not days, but possibly even a week, Mooney said, fighting back tears.
This feeling of abandonment for days on end, coupled with the pain of starvation and extreme thirst is a type of suffering I dont think any of us could ever fully fathom.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/depression-excuse-kristel-candelario-attorney/
ALSO according to this article she also has a 7 year old daughter. It's written at the end like an afterthought.

Candelario also has a 7-year-old daughter.

WTF? Where was she? How is the 7 year old treated? NEWS HELLO??????????????? Journalists not gonna follow up on this shit? NOBODY mentions this anywhere but newsnation as a fucking one sentence after thought? This could give more insight on the mother.

This is a HUGE deal, because she fucked off to vacation somewhere. So if someone was taking care of the 7 year old and she abandoned the baby, hot damn does this make her look even worse than previous reported.

https://youtu.be/Oie5mpIEFug?t=1978

Jailyns cries echoed through the quiet streets of Cleveland in the dead of the night. The toddler whimpered and howled, but no one came to her rescue.
Her mother, Kristel Candelario, was away on a 10-day summervacation and had left Jailyn alone in a playpen with a few bottles of milk, prosecutors said. A neighbors doorbell camera captured the 16-month olds frequent screams, including one around 1 a.m. two days after her mother left.

They weren't joking you could hear the crying in the streets.

Listening to her last cries were very haunting.

Even her defense attorney looked disturbed and was holding back tears.

She could have either brought the child with her or leave her with family or babysitter to care for her while she was away. Or at least call someone to her house to check on her.

She didn't do any of this because she doesn't give a shit about her child and her vacation was more important. I don't feel sorry for her that's just beyond fucked up.

deoxxys posted...

Listening to her last cries were very haunting.

Even her defense attorney looked disturbed and was holding back tears.

See I wanted to be a lawyer cause my mom always told me I was good at arguing/debating. But I lost interest once I realized I couldn't bring myself to defend people I knew where guilty of heinous shit.

And the flip side if I was prosecution.

Ugh

I have 2 young kids myself. I can't even leave them alone for more than 2 minutes without worrying

Some people are vile

2Pacavelli posted...

https://youtu.be/iLYkzYAgiVA?si=YvW86cp9wyMPPRaB

This person describes something similar when he had an episode where he was blaming his 6 month old for ruining his life and his wife told him it was hard living with a damn narcissist. Then he researched narcissism and discovered that he was in fact a narcissist and began actively working on his narcissism.

Unfortunately there's no treatment so good luck to him lmao

badjay posted...

This is a HUGE deal, because she fucked off to vacation somewhere. So if someone was taking care of the 7 year old and she abandoned the baby, hot damn does this make her look even worse than previous reported.

Maybe she lives with her father.

God doesnt exist and your daughter definitely does not forgive you

Is that 25 years or a full life to death in pision?

I have a hard time wrapping my head around this case. Not because she killed her kid because I've seen stories like that plenty of times, but she didn't even try to hide it. Does she just not care if she goes to prison or something?

I'd really like to know her reasoning as well. She left a few bottles of milk for her. There is absolutely no way she thought her daughter could survive of that. I just can't fathom her thought process. I mean did she not expect to be gone for 10 days? I just don't think I believe she went in this knowing 100% she was going to come back to a dead child because I doubt she would choose prison over her other options. This is such a sad and bizarre case. I don't think she's all the way sane. There's just something way off.

XxAxem_BlackxX posted...

I have a hard time wrapping my head around this case. Not because she killed her kid because I've seen stories like that plenty of times, but she didn't even try to hide it. Does she just not care if she goes to prison or something?

That's the question I had. What did she think would happen to herself when she came home to a dead baby after leaving it for 10 days? Or was she stupid enough to think she'd survive that long without food and water?

LeoRavus posted...

That's the question I had. What did she think would happen to herself when she came home to a dead baby after leaving it for 10 days? Or was she stupid enough to think she'd survive that long without food and water?

Either she's mentally unstable as fucknor she knew damn well what was gonna happen and wanted it to happen. Like to thebpoint she didn't care if she went to prison. Maybe she felt so burdened by the baby but didn't wanna give it up for adoption either or she resented the baby for some reason

action52 posted...

Maybe she lives with her father.

I looked more into it, apparently the 7yo was off in ecaudor with grandparents or something according to a reddit post. But I couldn't confirm with an actual news source of that fact. HOWEVER, I did watch the 2 hour sentencing and Amaya (7yo girl) was literally mentioned once in the entire case. Mom said sorry to her that's about it. So odds are if in 2 hours of sentencing Amaya is only mentioned once, I imagine Amaya wasn't involved with the current case at all, and I'm likely to believe that she was indeed in Ecuador like that poster on reddit claims, or somewhere else. Just not involved with the case is the important part.

LeoRavus posted...

That's the question I had. What did she think would happen to herself when she came home to a dead baby after leaving it for 10 days? Or was she stupid enough to think she'd survive that long without food and water?

Looking into it, I honestly don't know wtf is going on. She left, came home saw baby dead and tried to dress her up but also immediately called 911. If she REALLY wanted to, she could've tried to cover it up better? But within 10 minutes of coming home she legit called 911 in tears.

That was her SOLE saving grace, her one out in the entire tragedy that she did somewhat right. The one thing giving a semblance of care.

However...it's very possible she was hoping to fuck off and come back to a dead baby and then pretend Jailyn just happened to die. That was the original story she gave detectives. She was always home, she never went on vacation and her baby just happened to be dead when she woke up in the morning after a night of crying. Terrible shit. She's getting put in jail but I saw the court case, she admitted guilt and she has a lifetime sentence no parole chances. But at the end the judge said she could attempt to appeal? It's possible she might get life with parole or something through an appeal.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

No premeditated would mean she planned It before hand.

You could simply insult me and I kill you for it right then. It wouldn't be premeditated.

Yes it would.

A non premeditated murder would be something like you started beating the shit out of me and I just happen to die. If you start with trying to kill me, that's always premeditated.

Alternatively acting with callous disregard for safety is also murder 2nd degree. Like if you were trying to William Tell me with a gun and blow my head off instead that's also non premeditated murder.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

See I wanted to be a lawyer cause my mom always told me I was good at arguing/debating. But I lost interest once I realized I couldn't bring myself to defend people I knew where guilty of heinous shit.

And the flip side if I was prosecution.

You don't have to, at least I don't think. You can choose your clients. And it might also be the case that your clients did something bad, but are getting a much harsher punishment than they should.

Smackems posted...

I imagine female prisoners don't look kindly on women that neglect children to death

They definitely do not. She is not going to have it easy in the pen.

badjay posted...

Some choice lines from the CNN article to break you apart even more.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/depression-excuse-kristel-candelario-attorney/
ALSO according to this article she also has a 7 year old daughter. It's written at the end like an afterthought.

WTF? Where was she? How is the 7 year old treated? NEWS HELLO??????????????? Journalists not gonna follow up on this shit? NOBODY mentions this anywhere but newsnation as a fucking one sentence after thought? This could give more insight on the mother.

This is a HUGE deal, because she fucked off to vacation somewhere. So if someone was taking care of the 7 year old and she abandoned the baby, hot damn does this make her look even worse than previous reported.

If there is a hell, this woman is going all the way down.

BIueJay posted...

You don't have to, at least I don't think. You can choose your clients. And it might also be the case that your clients did something bad, but are getting a much harsher punishment than they should.

Only for private practice. Public defenders generally don't always have an option. Good news is you public defenders spend only a few minutes with most of their clients because they're always overworked and have to split attention across a lot of different people.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Only for private practice. Public defenders generally don't always have an option. Good news is you public defenders spend only a few minutes with most of their clients because they're always overworked and have to split attention across a lot of different people.

Ah I see. Looks to be the same in Canada as well.

Tyranthraxus posted...

A non premeditated murder would be something like you started beating the shit out of me and I just happen to die. If you start with trying to kill me, that's always premeditated.

This is true, yes. If you planned to kill, no matter for how long, it's premeditated. The only time it's blatantly not premeditated is if you have a way to argue that you didn't expect death to occur from said actions, such as "I just pushed the guy, I didn't expect him to fall and hit a rock in a precise enough way that it broke his neck." Granted, there's also "crime of passion," but that gets more complicated.

Poor baby :(

Premeditation does not require a prolonged time duration. It can occur in a moment. It is basically you knew and chose to kill or very likely kill someone anyway.

In general at least. I cant' speak for the nuances of the statutes in all states, but it is in general myth that premeditation requires some "appointed amount of planning time." Premeditation can occur in on the fly.

BIueJay posted...

You don't have to, at least I don't think. You can choose your clients. And it might also be the case that your clients did something bad, but are getting a much harsher punishment than they should.

Yeah sure but that's not how you make a reputation and earn money as a lawyer. From a business standpoint I could see turning down a unwinnable case but that's about it.

1) holy shit did no one call the cops or bust down a door? Neighbors, a baby is crying, with no adult in sight? Id imagine someone should have called after1 day of constant screams at the latest? How did literally no one intervene? I feel this infants death is on way more than just the mom at this point. Dozens of people had to ignore this. What the heck are all their excuses?

2) She gave the baby 3 bottles. If youre going to starve someone, you dont give them food. She has another child that she didnt starve to death. All this says to me she actually thought everything would be alright, and shes just walk home back from vacation to a happy, healthy, smiling baby.

so not that it makes much of a difference, but Im not seeing the contempt that everyone is jumping to. I see someone who, for whatever reason, completely lost her grasp on reality. like one day something just broke. The method doesnt match the motive.

VRX3000 posted...

1) holy shit did no one call the cops or bust down a door? Neighbors, a baby is crying, with no adult in sight? Id imagine someone should have called after1 day of constant screams at the latest? How did literally no one intervene? I feel this infants death is on way more than just the mom at this point. Dozens of people had to ignore this. What the heck are all their excuses?

2) She gave the baby 3 bottles. If youre going to starve someone, you dont give them food. She has another child that she didnt starve to death. All this says to me she actually thought everything would be alright, and shes just walk home back from vacation to a happy, healthy, smiling baby.

so not that it makes much of a difference, but Im not seeing the contempt that everyone is jumping to. I see someone who, for whatever reason, completely lost her grasp on reality. like one day something just broke. The method doesnt match the motive.

Your neighbors are not responsible for your behavior, as horrible as this situation is.

VRX3000 posted...

1) holy shit did no one call the cops or bust down a door? Neighbors, a baby is crying, with no adult in sight? Id imagine someone should have called after1 day of constant screams at the latest? How did literally no one intervene? I feel this infants death is on way more than just the mom at this point. Dozens of people had to ignore this. What the heck are all their excuses?

2) She gave the baby 3 bottles. If youre going to starve someone, you dont give them food. She has another child that she didnt starve to death. All this says to me she actually thought everything would be alright, and shes just walk home back from vacation to a happy, healthy, smiling baby.

so not that it makes much of a difference, but Im not seeing the contempt that everyone is jumping to. I see someone who, for whatever reason, completely lost her grasp on reality. like one day something just broke. The method doesnt match the motive.

I'm sorry, but you don't leave a child unattended for that long and just think they're going to be fine, under any circumstances. Likewise, you can't just expect the neighbors to hear a crying baby that is locked inside of a house.

This post feels like you're doing everything in your power to make excuses for her choices. It feels incredibly weird that you're trying to blame other people, while also trying to excuse the mother of her actions.

How can you say "I can't believe the neighbors didn't hear something and report it, they should be blamed!" in one sentence, and then say "I feel like the mother legitimately expected to return to a happy, smiling baby" in the next sentence?

VRX3000 posted...

I feel this infants death is on way more than just the mom at this point. Dozens of people had to ignore this. What the heck are all their excuses?

VRX3000 posted...

All this says to me she actually thought everything would be alright, and shes just walk home back from vacation to a happy, healthy, smiling baby.

Like, I'm sorry, but all this says to me is that you are trying your absolute damnedest to blame everybody BUT the mother. Why? Please explain.

No, Im pretty sure the mothers fault in all this is pretty evident. That much was already discussed and I had nothing to add to it. She killed her kid. all Im saying is,

1) if the babys screams could be heard from a camera outside the house, someone should have noticed just by chance. People had to have ignored it. I understand that for an hour or two. Some babies cry a lot. but eventually i would think someone would have the curiosity to check to see if anyone was home or needed help or call the cops for a noise complaint or something. Anything that would have gotten the ball rolling. I just feel like there had to be an opportunity to save this child that was missed. Im not asking for any of them to go on trial or anything. I was just making an observation.

2) as per the womans intent, its just that my neighbor worked in a criminal psyche ward so Ive heard the long diatribes about what constitutes a psychopath vs a sociopath, etc etc. so when I looked at the details, I dont think this lines up with contempt. I think it lines up more with someone who has lost grip on reality and cause/effect. What specific brand of mental illness, trauma, or drug caused it? I dont know.

its still horrible. That goes without saying. I just feel like people are jumping to the wrong motive

and I spent the better part ofhow ever long that was editing and rewriting this so hopefully I was clear and concise enough. Now to see how many responses I missed whilst typing this.

LonelyStoner posted...

Your neighbors are not responsible for your behavior, as horrible as this situation is.

I mean I heard a baby crying for like 2 hours once around 5 am when I was doing an all nighter and I checked to see what was wrong.

It turned out to be a cat screaming incessantly in my driveway for no reason and not a baby at all, but I'd like to think if I heard a baby crying for a whole fucking day I'd call the police for a wellness check.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I mean I heard a baby crying for like 2 hours once around 5 am when I was doing an all nighter and I checked to see what was wrong.

It turned out to be a cat screaming incessantly in my driveway for no reason and not a baby at all, but I'd like to think if I heard a baby crying for a whole fucking day I'd call the police for a wellness check.

The issue is we don't know the living situations. Obviously if houses are closer together, and the baby is in an outer room, then, yes, a neighbor is more likely to hear crying. However, a lot of factors can make it much harder for somebody to hear something.

Living in Nevada, houses are closer together than they were when I lived in Kentucky. I can... Sorta hear the neighbor, if they're absolutely screaming, or outside of their house, where I live now, whereas in Kentucky... Good luck. Likewise, when I lived in Ohio, the distance between houses was about in the middle, compared to Nevada and Kentucky, and I couldn't hear squat unless people were outside. That would obviously be different than, say, row homes, like in Philadelphia, where you literally share a wall.

Rereading, given this apparently happened in Cuyahoga County in Ohio, yeah, it really feels like a tossup as to whether a neighbor would hear anything or not, because houses there tend to be spaced... Not super widely, but to the point where each definitely has a "side yard," so to speak, so... You're likely to hear somebody standing outside of their house next door, but not anything from within their home.

Wherethisfeom posted...

I haven't heard of one without parole unless a murder was included

I can't speak on if they had parole or not. That wasn't public information. I didn't work positions that gave me access to the non public information. I coulda asked someone who did but that was more effort than it was worth.

But the ones I knew that did have life didnt seem to harbor any hope they'd ever get out.

VRX3000 posted...

1) holy shit did no one call the cops or bust down a door? Neighbors, a baby is crying, with no adult in sight? Id imagine someone should have called after1 day of constant screams at the latest? How did literally no one intervene? I feel this infants death is on way more than just the mom at this point. Dozens of people had to ignore this. What the heck are all their excuses?

2) She gave the baby 3 bottles. If youre going to starve someone, you dont give them food. She has another child that she didnt starve to death. All this says to me she actually thought everything would be alright, and shes just walk home back from vacation to a happy, healthy, smiling baby.

so not that it makes much of a difference, but Im not seeing the contempt that everyone is jumping to. I see someone who, for whatever reason, completely lost her grasp on reality. like one day something just broke. The method doesnt match the motive.

She wasn't new to having kids. She had to know 3 bottles wouldn't even last a newborn 10 days. Plus the shit would spoil at room temp that long.

Wherethisfeom posted...

I thought whether someone was eligible for parole was part of the sentencing and public knowledge.

In this state it's not on the public website I don't think. Wait I think it might I'd have to look it just doesn't say it next to the sentence. It will simply say life

Edit: just checked ot doesn't say. It has a slot for next custody review and it just says unknown on the lifer I checked.

Oddly it also says the previous prison he was at isn't public info.