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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?

Post 71 in this topic:

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

What happened on October 7th was a mass murder event comparable to what the Nazis did.

The US vetoed another UN security council resolution for a cease fire today.

The UK abstained from voting, the 13 other countries were in favor.

I've used plenty of shopping carts with coin slots in my life. Can't say it made me radicalize and support a murderous dictator though.

tl;dr: reports of summary executions, sexual assaults, arbitrary detentions and abuse of Palestinian women and children.

UN experts appalled by reported human rights violations against Palestinian women and girls

UN experts today expressed alarm over credible allegations of egregious human rights violations to which Palestinian women and girls continue to be subjected in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
Palestinian women and girls have reportedly been arbitrarily executed in Gaza, often together with family members, including their children, according to information received. We are shocked by reports of the deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of Palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge, or while fleeing. Some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by the Israeli army or affiliated forces, the experts said.

The experts expressed serious concern about the arbitrary detention of hundreds of Palestinian women and girls, including human rights defenders, journalists and humanitarian workers, in Gaza and the West Bank since 7 October. Many have reportedly been subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, denied menstruation pads, food and medicine, and severely beaten. On at least one occasion, Palestinian women detained in Gaza were allegedly kept in a cage in the rain and cold, without food.

We are particularly distressed by reports that Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers. At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence, the experts said. They also noted that photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances were also reportedly taken by the Israeli army and uploaded online.

The experts expressed concern that an unknown number of Palestinian women and children, including girls, have reportedly gone missing after contact with the Israeli army in Gaza. There are disturbing reports of at least one female infant forcibly transferred by the Israeli army into Israel, and of children being separated from their parents, whose whereabouts remain unknown, they said.

We remind the Government of Israel of its obligation to uphold the right to life, safety, health, and dignity of Palestinian women and girls and to ensure that no one is subjected to violence, torture, ill-treatment or degrading treatment, including sexual violence, the experts said. They called for an independent, impartial, prompt, thorough and effective investigation into the allegations and for Israel to cooperate with such investigations.

Taken together, these alleged acts may constitute grave violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, and amount to serious crimes under international criminal law that could be prosecuted under the Rome Statute, the experts said. Those responsible for these apparent crimes must be held accountable and victims and their families are entitled to full redress and justice, they added.

Source:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

pokedude900 posted...

Weren't they also working on a movie about a super obscure wrestling villain that was only in like 1 comic or something?

El Muerto starring Bad Bunny. Seems to have been canceled. Probably wise decision.

Remember when there was a rumor about an Aunt May solo spin-off movie?

Make it happen, Sony!

Gaza doctors: We leave patients to scream for hours and hours

Doctors across Gaza have described operating on patients without anaesthetic, turning people with chronic conditions away, and treating rotting wounds with limited medical supplies.

"Because of the shortage of painkillers we leave patients to scream for hours and hours," one told the BBC.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has described the state of healthcare in Gaza as being "beyond words". It said 23 hospitals in Gaza were not functioning at all as of Sunday - 12 were partially functioning and one minimally.

The health agency said air strikes and a lack of supplies have "depleted an already under-resourced system".

[...]

A WHO team said they recently met a seven-year-old girl at the European Gaza hospital who was suffering from 75% burns, but unable to receive pain relief because of short supplies.

Dr Mohamed Salha, acting director of northern Gaza's Al-Awda hospital, said people had been transported for treatment there on donkeys and horses. "The catastrophe is when the patients' wounds are rotting, as the wounds have been open for more than two or three weeks," he said. He said doctors there had performed surgeries by the light of headtorches because of electricity shortages.

More in article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68331988

This got plenty of media attention when he said it in 2016.

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-711-911-new-york-values-2016-4
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/donald-trump-9-11-7-11-mix-buffalo/index.html

Even became an internet meme:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/donald-trumps-7-eleven-gaffe

Newave posted...

if you put mozzarella on a margherita you clearly have no idea how to make a proper margherita

....what?

If the dough is good and the ingredients fresh a margherita is amazing.

Just don't cook the basil in the oven, put it on fresh afterwards.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

There was no indication that she was suffering from anything like her husband.

I mentioned it before. Mrs Van Agt was ill and her health was deteriorating quickly.

Feel free to use Google Translate on these:
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/5434062/dries-en-zijn-meisje-eugenie-kozen-voor-duo-euthanasie
https://nos.nl/artikel/2508211-van-agt-en-vrouw-kozen-voor-euthanasie-steeds-meer-stellen-maken-die-keuze

Dutch laws don't allow euthanasia unless patients are in a state of unbearable suffering with no chance of recovery. Since she was granted euthanasia, it's easy to deduce that that's what was going on.

https://www.government.nl/topics/euthanasia/is-euthanasia-allowed

Flowers and candles removed, 177 Navalny supporters arrested at vigils in Russia:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/over-110-people-detained-across-russia-rallies-memory-navalny-rights-group-2024-02-17/

At least back in my day, women in games were still hot and sexy

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/95947fe3.png

I wonder if her solo OF work is in the interracial category

majin_nemesis posted...

funny how before you didn't had specifics on the wife and now you have

I have no specifics on what illness she had. I know she was suffering with no chance of recovery, because that's a requirement in order to qualify for euthanasia in Dutch law. Just like what I said in post #26. Maybe read.

majin_nemesis posted...

probably manipulated to follow him

There's a rigorous process one has to go through to prove that the wish to die is voluntary and well thought out. If there's any pressure from family, doctors will not go through with it. It also needs to be a long lasting wish, not just a decision on a whim. People who are physically or mentally incapable of consenting are not allowed euthanasia either.

majin_nemesis posted...

suffering that suicide causes to family

A friend of the Van Agt family was on a talk show a few days after their deaths and he said their children had peace with it and took comfort in knowing they died holding hands.

majin_nemesis posted...

think about it why would she kill herself with him?

Because she was ill and was suffering with no chance of recovery.

majin_nemesis posted...

except i'm not the one being ignorant

You absolutely are.

GranTurismo posted...

What about his wife?

Not sure what specific issues she had, she was not a public figure. Sources I found only mention she was ill and that her health was fragile, no specifics.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Based on the article, the couple killed themselves because they were simply old. Unless I'm missing some information?

Van Agt had a brain hemorrhage in 2019 that he never fully recovered from.

For what it's worth, Dutch laws don't allow euthanasia on a whim or for minor discomforts. The criteria include: it has to be voluntary and well thought-out, patient has to be in a state of unbearable suffering with no hope for improvement.

Russia's most significant opposition leader for the past decade, Alexei Navalny, has died in prison inside the Arctic Circle, Russian news agencies report, quoting the prison service.

Seen as President Vladimir Putin's most vociferous critic, Navalny was serving a 19-year jail term for offences widely considered politically motivated.
He was moved to an Arctic penal colony, considered one of the toughest jails, late last year.
The prison service in the Yamalo-Nenets district said he had "felt unwell" after a walk on Friday.
He had "almost immediately lost consciousness", it said in a statement. The causes of his death were being established, Tass news agency reported.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68315943

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/ff34618d.jpg

This punched me straight in the nostalgia. Can't wait.

"They dont want any solution with the Palestinians, they just want to punish all the Palestinians. - Joe Biden

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/13/gulf-states-press-for-two-state-roadmap-after-un-vote-on-israel-gaza-war

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bafacac6.jpg

Candace Owens is that "my black friend says it's okay for me to use that word"

Weirdest part of tipping culture is how it comes with public shaming. Either shaming customers for being stingy, or shaming servers for demanding more.

This wouldn't be necessary if the expectations of payment were all clear and transparent upfront instead of implied. You know, like on the price menu.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e9661c01.jpg

I really can't past the part where you wear half a helmet on your head and are stuck to a cable + battery. Apple's promotional material has people talking to their kids through this thing which just seems depressing to me.

The eye-tracking and finger-tapping to click is pretty interesting though. I can imagine that being useful outside of VR-goggles too.

There's a website that has a challenge out, offering a $10k reward for anyone with penis >= 10 inch.

Rules are: measured from the top, using a hard inflexible ruler and the zero on the ruler must be visible (so it's not jammed it into the skin).

The challenge has been online for 6 years, no one has ever claimed the reward.

Selfishness

mariolover2 posted...

run the jewels live is legendary

This

Humble_Novice posted...

Are you sure you don't mean Muslim population rather than Arab population? Because Arabs only count as 2% or more of Michigan's current population.

First of all, I really don't want to subscribe to the idea of "minority votes are irrelevant as long as their group is small enough".

But even then, it's not only Arabs and Muslims who take issue with Biden's stance. It's 70% of all Democrats under 45.

Good. Sadly he already had a resolution shot down that would condition Israeli aid on their compliance with human rights, a few weeks ago:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/16/bernie-sanders-senate-test-vote-military-aid-israel?ref=mc.news

So I don't have a lot of hope for this one.

@havean776 Those are two entirely different sentences.

havean776 posted...

I keep getting proven right.

Quote the part where I said "anyone who Votes against the Repubs loves Genocide"

And you got the nerve to accuse me of being disingenuous.

havean776 posted...

Clearly screaming that anyone who Votes against the Repubs loves Genocide is a perfectly fine way to get a discussion going.

Are you saying we don't have people ITT arguing that genocide is inevitable? It's referring to statements like this: "Genocide happens either way, chief."
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80686016/978634476

hockeybabe89 posted...

And they don't have a moral issue with millions upon millions of Americans suffering if Biden does not win? What the fuck kind of morals are those?

Again, completely ignoring the part that this stance is what can cause Biden to lose. It's like talking to a brick wall.

Cemith posted...

This is what I was talking about. Everyone knows genocide is bad, and we can criticize him for it. Everyone knows this can and will harm his turnout. This is not news to anyone

And the way to mitigate that is not by open hostility. I've seen plenty examples of critics being accused of being Trump supporters, commies, accelerationists or even nazis. It's a significant share of the voter base who has very valid moral issues on this topic, telling them to "stfu, accept that genocide is inevitable, and vote anyway" might not be the way to go.

Hell, Nancy Pelosi decided to accuse those who call for a cease fire (which, I can't stress this enough, is 75% of Dem voters!) of being Putin plants. Hillary Clinton got a lot of shit for her 'deplorables' comment but at least she was talking about the other side, not her own damn voters.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Wont really matter if Biden pivots on Israel if hes not president anymore.

What reason do you have to believe a pivot would cause him to lose the election? His current handling of Israel is what's making him lose voters.

hockeybabe89 posted...

I know it means supporting a government that won't decry a genocide, but how can one not consider what if Trump wins? Are Americans too stubborn to survive if they feel obligated?

Because Biden's refusal to pivot might be the thing that causes a Trump win.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

A lot of people who are going to vote for Biden are not leftist, and either support Israel, or just dont have a strong opinion.

Several opinion polls tell a different story:
63% of Dems think Israel has gone too far, 70% of Dems under 45 disapprove of Biden's handling:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

75% of Dems support a cease fire:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-public-support-israel-drops-majority-backs-ceasefire-reutersipsos-2023-11-15/

Half of Biden voters think Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?r=US&IR=T

Even ignoring the moral issues of it all, and looking at it from a purely electoral viewpoint: Biden ignoring this can hurt his election chances.

It's a shame this conversation is all about "what if Trump wins", without addressing the fact that Biden's current handling of the Gaza conflict is impopular among his own voters -- which might just be the thing that costs him the election in the first place.

It's beyond me why so many of you vehemently resist the idea that Biden might need to win over some voters to secure the win. Is unconditional support for Israel really an election winning strategy when half of his voters believe it means supporting genocide?

hockeybabe89 posted...

How the fuck does anyone need any other motivation to vote for the less harmful option?

Early polls suggest Trump has a realistic chance of winning, so apparently plenty of voters can use the motivation. You can argue "they shouldn't" as much as you want, but they do.

If you're convinced that Biden can still win without having to appeal to a majority of his own voter base, then why even worry? He's got this in the bag, right? Voters don't need to be convinced, right?

Well I disagree, and so do many polls. Most of the reactions here are just "but what if Trump wins" without anyone acknowledging that it's Biden making this gamble by not listening to his voters.

uwnim posted...

If my choice is genocide or the same genocide + another one, then the only option I can morally choose is the single genocide. If the first genocide happens regardless, then I am not responsible for it. However, if I fail to try to stop the 2nd one, then I am responsible if that one happens.

The unconditional support for Israel is not some inevitable, unavoidable law of nature. It's entirely a choice made by those in power. Applying electoral pressure can get a politician to reverse course. If caring for Palestinian lives is not motivation enough, then the risk of losing the election might be.

A majority of democrats want a cease fire and disapprove of Biden's handling of the situation. Half of democrats believe Israel is currently committing a genocide. If winning the election and preventing another Trump presidency truly is the top priority then unwavering support for Israel might not be the winning strategy.

- 63% of Democrats believe Israel has gone too far in this war.
- Just 46% of Democrats approve of the way Biden is handling the conflict.
- Disapproval among non-white Dems is 60%, and among Dems under the age of 45 it's 70% (!).

Now I think it's probably a bad idea to ignore such large amounts of your voter base, but I'm sure some of you would rather pretend that all of these people are Trumpers, nazis, commies, accelerationists, Putin plants, etc.

Poll source, published yesterday:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Not an antivaxxer but I saw the Moderna vaccine at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, Oh, like youre doing now?

I was taken aback, and all I could say was Huh? but he kept cutting me off and going huh? huh? huh? and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like Sir, you need to pay for those first. At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually to prevent any electrical infetterence, and then turned around and winked at me. I dont even think thats a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

Supporting the mass murder of babies with words is bad.

Supporting the mass murder of babies by supplying weapons, and providing international diplomatic cover, is bad.

Supporting the mass murder of babies by accusing those who protest against it of being Putin plants, is bad.

None of this should be acceptable, regardless of whether there's a D or R next to their name.

Because alt-right was considered the go-to dogwhistle term until Charlottesville publicly showed that, hey guess what: it was nazis all along. Before that it was still treated with plausible deniability (at least, to those who weren't paying attention). I even remember some users here openly identifying as such.

This is just another rebrand.

Reed Richards and his family go on the best road trip ever in...

Fantastic Tour

Tight Club