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TopicSurvivor Offseason Topic #1: Prelude to the War
wg64Z
02/06/20 10:13:11 AM
#159
I'm not sure why Cirie got an insane amount of air time, but I am none the less PUMPED for this season. I just pray the twists don't ruin it.

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TopicWhat game should I do a playthrough topic for my 30th birthday?
wg64Z
01/03/20 2:38:12 PM
#18
Mario 3 and Final Fantasy turn 30 (For NA releases) this year as well. Do one of those!

Or Mario World if we're talking Japan.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/03/20 9:26:41 AM
#410
I'd say it's more legitimate than using external tools to beat it, but I wouldn't feel good saying I beat the whole game. But if you do, that's great!

Again why are you asking us when it's really only up to you to decide if you beat it or not?

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 10:37:11 PM
#397
You mean the topic titled as a question asking for opinions as opposed to the original Tweet which declared a statement?

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 10:35:17 PM
#395
StealThisSheen posted...
When you make a blanket statement like "If you cheated you didn't beat the game," what kind of discussion are you expecting, exactly?

People discussing their own opinions and criteria on the matter, and not trying to ask someone for constant examples in an attempt to poke holes in their logic. But I guess that is dumb of me to expect.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 10:33:34 PM
#393
Its something you decide for yourself.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 10:31:46 PM
#390
Discussion is fine but it's just boiled down to "WELL IS THIS CHEATING THEN?!"

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 10:30:55 PM
#389
MZero11 posted...
You literally just said using the whistle counts because they beat World 8 with pure skill. So if someone uses save states or rewind in World 3 or something and beats World 8 without them it should count too. Why is skipping World 3 entirely more legitimate than beating it with save states?

This is an extremely simple concept that you refuse to understand. One was beat without any external cheats, the other was not. That is all.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 10:26:34 PM
#385
This is getting sad. For a group of people who say "Who cares?" you sure need a ton of validation from every single fringe case and example.

Use your own criteria. That's it. Just because a game is buggy or laggy doesnt make it impossible, just difficult (And probably not much fun, so why are you playing it?).

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 3:56:07 PM
#352
As beat? No. This isn't hard to understand, why are you having trouble getting this?

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 3:42:44 PM
#350
Why is that so baffling? At least with the whistles they still need to actually beat the entire final world, which are the hardest levels in the game so far. Not only that, they would have skipped most of the other instances of getting supplemental items and powerups to deal with these levels. The entire challenge of World 8 still has to be beaten with pure skill.

...Unless of course they abuse state/save rewind in which they remove all difficulty and consequences.

That being said, I don't think they COMPLETED the game doing that. To complete the game I'd view it as every single intractable tile on each world map showing that cleared M.

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TopicTop 25 games of the decade, period. Exclamation mark!
wg64Z
01/02/20 3:10:48 PM
#50
Tag

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 2:51:24 PM
#347
tazzyboyishere posted...
Since you're attempting to be pedantic, I feel you should know this isn't what was said.

I know. That's why I said "if". It was designed to be beatable is the point I'm making.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 2:12:04 PM
#345
Uglyface2 posted...
Castlevania: The Adventure. There is a screen on the second stage with three falling platforms. Its sole purpose is to artificially extend the life of the game. Im sure there are YouTube videos, but Im not looking them up at work.

Again, it's beatable though. If it was solely designed to kill you it would be a room of spikes.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 12:03:29 PM
#343
Doesn't mean it's unbeatable, just means it's difficult. I've seen this argument made a lot and it's pretty flimsy.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/02/20 8:01:53 AM
#339
Uglyface2 posted...
I used the save state feature on the 3DS to get through one screen that was broken and buggy that was designed to force players to start the game over once they ran out of lives. I dont care what people say, Ill cheat and not bat an eye.


Which game was that? Cause a screen that's designed to make you start over if you run out of lives sounds like a normal Video Game.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/01/20 3:14:07 AM
#331
StealThisSheen posted...
So would you consider somebody who uses a warp whistle to skip to the very last world of Mario 3 to have beaten the game moreso than somebody that uses the built in save states on Switch but doesn't skip anything?

Personally, yes.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/01/20 2:58:20 AM
#328
Skipping things using in game mechanics is totally fine.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
01/01/20 2:49:33 AM
#327
Leonhart4 posted...
Oh, are we moving the goalposts to include guides now?

If you use a guide to beat a Puzzle game like Phoenix Wright I would absolutely think that's cheating.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/31/19 12:06:57 PM
#279
Leonhart4 posted...
Can you really say you beat Mario 1 if you just warped straight to the end?

Did you find them or look them up?

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/31/19 9:03:39 AM
#271
Then you must not care about them enough in those particular instances to say something.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/31/19 8:51:27 AM
#268
Leonhart4 posted...
The whole "if you actually don't care you wouldn't respond!" argument is dumb. I don't necessarily have to be personally invested or offended to have an opinion. I mean, sure if you want to be completely literal, I guess you could say I "care" enough to post about it, but not because I personally feel "under attack" or feel the need to discredit Mike Matei. I just don't like the way he phrases his opinion because it doesn't come across as a guy looking for his own personal validation but rather the opposite.

It's really not. You are a gamer, and you saw a gaming related post and wanted to voice your opinion. That is caring. If it was something that totally had nothing to do with your interests, you would completely ignore it. That is not caring.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/31/19 8:41:02 AM
#266
^ I don't think he's trying to invalidate their "victory" and more so saying he would not see it as such within his own criteria, and was looking for those who agreed with him.

He sees himself as the dude at the wine tasting going through all the bougie motions, and people who state save/rewind as people guzzling the bottle without trying to taste it or appreciate it. Neither are wrong ways to operate, but he doesn't value the latter.

Also wow this blew up overnight. I must say the irony and hypocrisy of those (in this topic and on Twitter) responding with "Who Cares?!" is at an all time high. The mere fact that you responded at all shows you care! If you truly didn't care about a discussion such as this you wouldn't take part. The hardcore anti-gate keeping brigade is starting to become guilty of that which they fight, and are now gate keeping anyone who thinks differently from them.

Set your own criteria, value what you value, and if you truly don't care what anyone thinks that's great! Then ignore this entire issue. If you care to have a discussion (and are open to actually being wrong, that goes for both sides) then stick around and let your voice be heard. Just don't be an anus about it.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/30/19 1:35:57 PM
#147
Right, I understand that. He was just using the NBA as an example which doesn't fit. That was my only point.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/30/19 10:01:46 AM
#142
MZero11 posted...
A lot of games are poorly designed, especially games that are almost 30 years old. Save states can actually improve the experience.

Think of it this way: the Warriors won the NBA title in 2015. Sure, basically all their opponents got injured so it wasn't as difficult as, say, the 2016 Cavs, but they still won. Most people place more value on the 2016 Cavs or 2011 Mavs titles because they were more impressive, but the Warriors title still counts. It's basically the same thing

But one is competitive and the other is a single person's play through which affects no one else. This is why cheating is absolutely forbidden in competitive multiplayer or speed running.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/30/19 8:06:19 AM
#139
HaRRicH posted...
This is off-topic, but since we're talking about beating games @wg64Z you had a good year with Tarvould's Quest:

*Catherine: Full Body has me marking out as somebody who only played the original.
*Stanley Parable's brilliant, glad you gave it a shot.
*The Mario All-Stars relay ran long but had a lot of fun anyway.
*The whole Extra Life marathon was nice to catch up on -- especially liked WWF No Mercy, Jackbox, and Untitled Goose Game.
*Master Quest was nice to revisit.
*Phoenix Wright, aw yeah of course that was good.
*Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes was hilarious.
*Eternal Darkness coming almost all in one swoop was a sweet surprise.

And I don't usually make time to watch games I haven't played before, but REmake 2, River City Girls, and even Mixed-Up Mother Goose had me tuning in. I watched ya'll a lot this year and I look forward to more soon.

(just a suggestion: Night in the Woods is both a good game and would probably be a good fit for ya'll if you like reading for characters like you did for Phoenix Wright)

Wow thanks a bunch! It's been a crazy year for us, we just threw up a year end review highlights video as well if you're interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3xKCKOUrZI

We'll take a look into Night in the Woods, we're getting ready to start up some new Quests.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 6:26:52 PM
#90
Beat? No. Complete? Yes.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 5:43:50 PM
#84
StealThisSheen posted...
This is 100% belittling, though, so, uh...

You're acting like an elitist asshole, dude.

Yeah I'll take that one, that was a bit much. But again it was viewing it from my own criteria. If yours is different, own it. I can't feel proud or say I beat a game if I abused state save or rewind. If you can, that's great. Do it! I apologize if I came off abrasive.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 5:32:03 PM
#81
Yes, based on my own personal criteria. If you have a differing one that's totally fine. I'm not belittling you whatsoever.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 5:14:10 PM
#76
Really at the end of the day just consider completion based on your own criteria. The poll was mostly curiosity of where the majority lies. If you think cheating in a game is totally fine and you consider it beaten proper, all the power to you. I personally like a challenge in my games, and wouldnt consider a game beaten if I cheated. But theres no gate keeping or refereeing going on.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 5:06:51 PM
#74
Oh man, I really should. The Dark Souls of Daddies.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 4:48:18 PM
#68
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
150% yes.

If you beat the game, you beat the game.

Right. Except not because one way you cheated. So the game beat you.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 11:39:26 AM
#40
HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
yes and there's no downside for including accessibility options and you should not care if other people use them if you don't like them

I don't care, in fact if it helps people play some of the classic retro games I'm all for it. Doesnt mean I'm gonna consider it a win if they cheat to do it.

Im also not actively refereeing or even asking people HOW they beat a game once they tell me, cause I really dont care. It's just a thought I keep to myself and figured would make for a decent discussion (which honestly, it has!)

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 9:58:36 AM
#28
Maniac64 posted...
Did you play the game start to finish?

Then you beat it.

Finished it* (if you cheated)

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 9:44:11 AM
#26
Dancedreamer posted...
So you'd say that since the Mario 64 speedruns that use glitches don't beat the game the 'intended way', that they aren't really legitimately beating the game?

And on the other hand, a game like Far Cry 4. You can beat the game by doing almost nothing. A way the developers actually intended a means of victory. You even see the credits!

Both those examples are things that are in the game as it originally shipped though.

Speed runs also have seperate categories for that very reason, usually glitched and glitch less.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 9:19:11 AM
#22
And even in Mega Man a 1up is essentially a "save" before a boss since it means you dont need to beat the whole level again unless you burn through all your lives.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 9:10:07 AM
#18
Leonhart4 posted...
I sleep pretty well because I don't get my sense of self and accomplishment out of beating video games.

But then again, I'm not someone who ever plays a game on the hardest difficulty to begin with. Crushing difficulty is not something in games I find fun.

Really? Damn dude I definitely love the sense of accomplishment that comes along with beating a really hard game. It's an incredible feeling! If your only playing to advance the story you could always just watch a silent LP on YouTube.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 9:04:13 AM
#12
I mean if someone is grabbing extra cash from the bank in Monopoly every turn I'm not going to call them a winner if they end up beating me.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 7:54:06 AM
#5
Speed runners should do it before a really hard trick in order to safety save or try it again without having to risk a soft lock or reverting to the last in game save.

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TopicIf you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?
wg64Z
12/29/19 7:33:00 AM
#1
If you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?


Inspired by the recent controversial argument going down on Twitter involving Mike Matei, Jontron and a few others:

https://twitter.com/Mike_Matei/status/1210959863733530625?s=19

I will clarify, I dont view state saving when you're done playing the game for the day as cheating. But using it to cheat the system to always make the best choice or prevent death is more what I'm asking about.

Discuss.

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TopicSurvivor: Island of the Idols Discussion Topic #3: We are thankful for Noura
wg64Z
12/12/19 10:14:24 AM
#294
Because of Dean, Karishma went out, Elaine went out, Chelsea went out, Kellee went out, and all of them were more interesting characters.

Sounds like a great reason for a jury to vote him as the winner.

As for the Dan thing, I don't want the production crew to burn in a fire or to have Survivor cancelled over this. Yes, they should have acted sooner and because they didn't, someone else was harmed. That is BRUTAL.

However, you also had Missy and Liz LYING about it on camera. So "Believe her always" can go both ways. In this case however it was very clear early on Dan was a scumbag. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't production ask Kellee if they wanted her to remove him or if she wanted to handle it herself? Then they did step in and talk about boundaries and to Dan specifically...and he STILL did something scummy, instant boot justified.

I don't think you should immediately eject someone based on an accusation without some kind of investigation, however Survivor did have taped evidence. I'm torn, but I have to think that production did the best they could with what they knew. There is no possible way they thought it was a good idea to keep him on if everything they heard was true, there needed to be some due diligence. Plus I'm sure Dan is massively lawyer'd up and probably swung that leverage around as much as he possibly could.

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TopicDidn't there used to be some Youtube/Twitch advertising topic dealie?
wg64Z
12/09/19 2:41:26 PM
#2
I had one for B8 content creators but it seemed to do more harm than good sadly. It's impossible to advertise content on forums nowadays.

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TopicLegendary internet personality ProJared is posting new content.
wg64Z
12/03/19 8:19:58 AM
#8
Good video, I watched his entire playthrough of FFV as well.
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TopicBeing friends with a married woman
wg64Z
11/28/19 8:58:56 AM
#34
Which is fine, but saying there is 0 chance of attraction when it already happened is just logically unsound.
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TopicBeing friends with a married woman
wg64Z
11/28/19 8:27:58 AM
#32
Aecioo posted...
One of my best friends is an ex who got married. Her husband is great, and I know there's no chance of attraction because we tried it once and it ended in a trainwreck.

I think as long as there's no chance of having feelings go for it


"There is no chance of attraction because we were attracted to each other once"

Logic.
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TopicI did not know that the term "stan" came from the Eminem song
wg64Z
11/26/19 1:34:41 PM
#11
Its a portmanteau

Stalker - St
Fan - an

Stan
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TopicWhat are your top 10 Games of 2019?
wg64Z
11/18/19 4:00:27 PM
#43
1. Kingdom Hearts 3
2. Link's Awakening
3. Resident Evil 2
4. Super Mario Maker 2
5. Catherine Full Body
6. River City Girls
7. Bloodstained Ritual Of The Night
8. Pokemon Sword
9. Fire Emblem Three Houses
10. World Of Warcraft Classic
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TopicPokemon Sword/Shield Review Zone
wg64Z
11/15/19 3:56:28 PM
#145
...I got Sword. **** the haters I'll decide for myself.
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TopicDisney+ Viewing Topic (Post what you're watching)
wg64Z
11/15/19 3:40:30 PM
#50
Fired up Gargoyles and loving it so far. Never knew Goliath was Keith David.

Mandalorian is fire. Jeff Goldblum's show is also great. Gonna rewatch the Mighty Ducks trilogy as well!
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TopicPokemon Sword/Shield Review Zone
wg64Z
11/15/19 12:50:14 PM
#138
Guys I'm so torn on this. I've never missed a Pokemon release of a main gen in my life.

Will I love this game or hate it? Should I just suck it up and try and give them money?
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