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Not Dave
08/31/11 7:45:00 PM
#201:


so Justice League felt like really bad fanfiction...

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 7:47:00 PM
#202:


Care to explain?

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #200
I got the Geoff Johns Omnibus for 55% off today at Midtowncomics. Sold out now, probably should've mentioned this earlier >_>


One day I may get that, but NTT is higher priority! Johns' Titans was one of my first full comic runs, though. Great stuff. SHame everything fell apart after he left.

**** Beechan. ****ing Henderson. ****ing Krul.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 7:49:00 PM
#203:


I thought it felt like perfectly fine fanfiction, but not something that's gonna lead the charge of the DCnU, the big pillar of this incredible moment in the comic book industry's history, etc.

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ShadowHalo17
08/31/11 7:49:00 PM
#204:


I definitely understand the bad fanfiction vibe, because it still doesn't feel real. It's gonna take a while to get situated and to see this new reality as the actual DC Universe.

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 7:56:00 PM
#205:


All I really care about is that I enjoyed reading it. And still did when I read it for a 3rd time just now!

We've just had a 60 issue Justice League run which never went over mediocre. Before that were 2 amazing starts that resulted in some of the best books in DC history, that floundered to pretty much garbage after the original writer left. Just having an enjoyable Justice League book is making me giddy.

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:03:00 PM
#206:


Oh hey Voodoo color pages.

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Yep, it's a Ron Marz book alright. Not complaining.

"T+"

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ZenOfThunder
08/31/11 8:03:00 PM
#207:


You know what DOES sound like bad fanfiction? The summary for X-Men #44 from Marvel Previews:

Storm needs Cyclops' help with a special mission, but it ends up being much more than they bargained for. Oh, and they kiss. WHAT?!?!

I am not s***ting you this is literally the summary Marvel went with and published

like add some tags in and it'll be like something from fanfiction.net

Storm needs Cyclops' help with a special mission, but it ends up being much more than they bargained for. Oh, and they kiss. WHAT?!?! stormclops ooc lime femdom

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:05:00 PM
#208:


Astonishing X-Men has fallen far. And to think, I stop reading because of Xenogenesis, and that ends up being the best thing to come out since then!

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:06:00 PM
#209:


ANOTHER NEAT TWITTER NOTE

Johns, Lee, and Snyder all say Animal Man is the best New 52 book.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/31/11 8:11:00 PM
#210:


From: KimPilgrim | #209
ANOTHER NEAT TWITTER NOTE

Johns, Lee, and Snyder all say Animal Man is the best New 52 book.


Finally, a recommendation that actually makes sense.

I think I'll be buying Stormwatch, Aquaman, Batwoman, and Animal Man. I want to limit myself to five books so........I'm thinking Frankenstein, Demon Knights, or Red Hood.

tough choice

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/31/11 8:14:00 PM
#211:


Geoff Johns
@DrDetfink Love Thomas Wayne...you may see more of him...


Oh jeeze

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:16:00 PM
#212:


From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #211
Geoff Johns
@DrDetfink Love Thomas Wayne...you may see more of him...


Oh jeeze


Oh what

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:17:00 PM
#213:


...5 books a month?

That's kind of ridiculous!

I'm overbuying for the #1's but when I start cutting for my standard monthly pull I'm getting it down to 24.

When you figure that all you gotta do to make it up is buy 1 less video game a month and skip on fast food twice...

If you're dead set on 5, though, Frankenstein is the safe choice there. But I'd rather you get Outlaws!

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/31/11 8:20:00 PM
#214:


I'd love to be able to buy every book I wanted each month, but I'm a full-time college student with no reliable source of income!

And I gotta start somewhere...

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:21:00 PM
#215:


Oh well with no job then yeah.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 8:24:00 PM
#216:


We need to see more Thomas Wayne, because he's totally wasted potential as it is.

and I've been secretly shipping StormxCyclops for YEARS, so I'm all for this Astonishing X-men #44. Although I agree, Astonishing has been bad since Whedon left.

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ZenOfThunder
08/31/11 8:27:00 PM
#217:


the idea of storm x cyclops doesn't irk me, it's that the summary sounds like it was written by my 14 year old hyper female asian cousin for her fanfiction.net account

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:28:00 PM
#218:


Literally the only time I have gotten excited about Astonishing since Whedon left (not counting Armor...existing anywhere, since every other book seems to not even acknowledge her) was when Wallflower appeared and I was like "Oh my god Wallflower is back" and then on the next page she EXPLODED INTO A MEAT MOUNTAIN.

And I can safely say that that was the first and last time the phrase "**** YOU WARREN ELLIS!" will ever be thought by me.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 8:30:00 PM
#219:


Also, Mohawk Storm, which is the Storm from the periods I love(Paul Smith-John Romita Jr-Marc Silvestri-Jim Lee era of hundred of so issues). Everybody pops off at the thought of Claremont/Byrne X-men, but I really feel he came into his own later, he grew as a writer, his stories got more interesting, more risk-taking. Comparing Silvestri/Outback Era X-men with Byrne/Cockrum X-men, and the latter just feels old fashion and outdated.

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:31:00 PM
#220:


Mohawk Storm just seems hilarious to me.

By the way, that New Avengers preview going around in this week's Marvel books is IMPRESSIVELY awful.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/31/11 8:32:00 PM
#221:


Oh hey, what's with this? Remember the new character who appeared on the first covers released for JLI and then was edited out?

http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=20048

Now it's someone else! And still not mentioned in the solicit.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 8:36:00 PM
#222:


From: KimPilgrim | #218
Literally the only time I have gotten excited about Astonishing since Whedon left (not counting Armor...existing anywhere, since every other book seems to not even acknowledge her) was when Wallflower appeared and I was like "Oh my god Wallflower is back" and then on the next page she EXPLODED INTO A MEAT MOUNTAIN.

And I can safely say that that was the first and last time the phrase "**** YOU WARREN ELLIS!" will ever be thought by me.


That WAS pretty funny, but man that thing was so decompressed. That damn action scene took up the first 1 1/2 half issues, and the payoff was terrible. Not to mention it took Jimenez off the otherwise great "American Son" story arc ASM AND it took like, a f***ing year for the whole thing to come out.

It's funny and a little sad seeing books that were specifically made for a popular creator just kinda limp on afterwards with no real direction. It happen to Spider-Man after Macfarlene left, it happened to Sensational Spider-man once Jurgens left after only 6 issues(he got tired of all the editorial interference and s***ty stories, basically, damn you 90s Spider-Man), it happened to Batman and Robin when Morrison left(although I guess that was the Dick/Damain team-up book? It never really had a consistent team or direction after Grant left though), now its happening to Astonishing X-men.

There's 8 f***ing X-men team books come November. Just cancel Astonishing, Legacy(since Carey's leaving), X-men, and just call it a damn day.

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the icon ownz all
08/31/11 8:37:00 PM
#223:


Who's on Adjectiveless? Pak?


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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 8:40:00 PM
#224:


Pak is on Astonishing X-men, now that he isn't doing Hulk or Herc(*sniff*)

Gischeler is on X-men. Yeah, I don't know who the f*** that is, either. Bachalo isn't even doing the artwork anymore, that book just needs to go.

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the icon ownz all
08/31/11 8:42:00 PM
#225:


Oh. Pak is also doing Alpha Flight!

I'm not sure why I'm saying that like it's a good thing. I like it, but mostly for the referential humour and that it's new Alpha Flight.


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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 8:45:00 PM
#226:


I'm sure John Byrne hates it. To be fair, I think John Byrne hates everything.

It does have Van Lente helping though, and they were great together on Incredible Herc. Plus, Eaglesham is good, as long as he isn't drawing Reed Richards.

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ZenOfThunder
08/31/11 8:49:00 PM
#227:


who is this John Byrne guy? We get in this comic called John Byrne's Next Men every month. we only get one issue and it gets put aside for this one guy and once we forgot and sold it to someone else and he lost his s***

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:50:00 PM
#228:


But But But VAMP JUBES TEAM BOOK.

OK I don't actually think it will be good. Just keep Vampilee on X-23 and I'll be content.

Hasn't Gischeler been writing that book since #1, though?

...Yep, no faith.

Who wrote Wolverine & Jubilee? Get that guy in here.

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:52:00 PM
#229:


From: ZenOfThunder | #227
who is this John Byrne guy? We get in this comic called John Byrne's Next Men every month. we only get one issue and it gets put aside for this one guy and once we forgot and sold it to someone else and he lost his s***


Well he kind of, you know....LAUNCHED post-crisis Superman for years.

He's become a complete nutcase, though, or so I've heard. And a misogynistic ass.

But hey, he did some good **** in the day.

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ZenOfThunder
08/31/11 8:52:00 PM
#230:


oh right, I know that name now. I've def read some of his comics

is Next Men any good?

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:53:00 PM
#231:


Wait, was it a misogynist or a homophone

Or both

Oh whatever

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:53:00 PM
#232:


From: ZenOfThunder | #230
oh right, I know that name now. I've def read some of his comics

is Next Men any good?


I have heard some people say it is great and some people say it is terrible

Does that help

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ZenOfThunder
08/31/11 8:54:00 PM
#233:


that one guy who actually reads it at my shop seems to enjoy it

he also looks like an aardvark

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:54:00 PM
#234:


Oh, it was Immonen and Noto who did Wolvie and Jubes.

Yeah, get them on some more ****ing books.

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the icon ownz all
08/31/11 8:56:00 PM
#235:


Most people really like the early Next Men books and are more critical of current Next Men book. I'm still undecided on the current run, but the last two issues have been pretty bad.

He wrote the best Fantastic Four (sorry, Kirby), and worked with Claremont during Claremont's creative peak. Byrne has written pretty much everything, but he's a dick.


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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 8:57:00 PM
#236:


John Byrne, wrote and drew a lot of popular comic books in the 70-90s, including Claremont's X-men, writing AND drawing a legendary run on the Fantastic Four, rebooting Superman after COIE, Sensational She-Hulk that was doing 4th wall breaking Marvel style before Deadpool even existed, etc. He kinda fell off the boat in the 90s with Next Men and the whole industry falling apart and s***, but he did some very good comics with Gail Simone(JLA Classified, Action Comics, All-New Atom).

Mostly known now a days for being a douchebag about a lot of things, as he has been for years ever since he referred to the gay marriage issue as "F***** Queer homos can just leave the me the f*** alone and do whatever they want" way back in the day.

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:57:00 PM
#237:


Didn't he write that Superman issue where Superman and Big Barda did a porno together?

And not in a "Bwa-ha-ha" Giffen and DeMatteis kind of way.

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 8:59:00 PM
#238:


I had no idea he drew All-New Atom. Hmm.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 8:59:00 PM
#239:


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Here's a pretty good example why Mark Millar was just a poor choice for the Fantastic Four.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 9:01:00 PM
#240:


From: KimPilgrim | #237
Didn't he write that Superman issue where Superman and Big Barda did a porno together?

And not in a "Bwa-ha-ha" Giffen and DeMatteis kind of way.


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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 9:02:00 PM
#241:


From: TheKoolAidShoto | #239
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Here's a pretty good example why Mark Millar was just a poor choice for the Fantastic Four.


I would assuredly rather read something similar to the cover than anything Millar tossed out! Well, wait, no date on the cover, was that pre or post Morrison Millar?

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 9:02:00 PM
#242:


From: TheKoolAidShoto | #240
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Yep

That's the one

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/31/11 9:07:00 PM
#243:


From: KimPilgrim | #241
I would assuredly rather read something similar to the cover than anything Millar tossed out! Well, wait, no date on the cover, was that pre or post Morrison Millar?


It was right before Hickman's run, actually. Sales of FF weren't doing so hot, and the book was in a downturn after the great Waid/Wieringo run(although I liked McDuffie's run, mostly). So Marvel just threw Millar/Hitch on the book, hoping their success from the Ultimates would work their magic on the series.

Well it didn't! Hitch's artwork looks pretty damn rough after the first story arc, lots of bad characterization and stupid plot directions abound, wasn't very pretty. It just felt like Millar didn't have the strongest grasp on what makes these characters great, and the cover is a pretty clear indication of that. "Fantastic Four as a family? lol how laaaaame"

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 9:09:00 PM
#244:


Wow.

Really glad I said "**** it I'll just start with Hickman".

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KimPilgrim
08/31/11 9:35:00 PM
#245:


OH I almost forgot.

From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #221
Oh hey, what's with this? Remember the new character who appeared on the first covers released for JLI and then was edited out?

http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=20048

Now it's someone else! And still not mentioned in the solicit.


That's Lady Godiva. Guess what's her face from Flashpoint Booster Gold got the cut!

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RayDyn
08/31/11 9:37:00 PM
#246:


From: KimPilgrim | Posted: 9/1/2011 12:35:17 AM | #245
Guess what's her face from Flashpoint Booster Gold got the cut!


Alexandra? Pity, I kinda liked her, but then again, she did die.

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KimPilgrim
09/01/11 12:23:00 AM
#247:


**** I am being annoyed by

No colored previews for Green Arrow or Batwing to put in these writeups yet.

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KimPilgrim
09/01/11 12:43:00 AM
#248:


Alright here's Saturday's **** sans the intro.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N1laxxcgO7zrOqIQ6Q_VU0qz8tE9mp0jwzmK0NYinz8/edit?hl=en_US

Only major changes was with Halo's Green Arrow because of some fact mix-ups, length, and information we've learned since the writeup. Halo if you have an issue with it let me know.

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sephsblade
09/01/11 4:08:00 AM
#249:


icon told me jla was an average comic book

i gave in and bought it anyway

it was average

why do i do this to myself

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ShadowHalo17
09/01/11 6:44:00 AM
#250:


From: KimPilgrim | #248
Alright here's Saturday's **** sans the intro.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N1laxxcgO7zrOqIQ6Q_VU0qz8tE9mp0jwzmK0NYinz8/edit?hl=en_US

Only major changes was with Halo's Green Arrow because of some fact mix-ups, length, and information we've learned since the writeup. Halo if you have an issue with it let me know.


I've only read over the Batgirl write-up so far, and already caught two mistakes, so... maybe you should send me the doc and let me read over all of them and fix the grammatical errors and such, I won't touch anything else or add stuff. I just wanna make sure it's all perfect.

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