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I think you're a little harsh on Sting, for that matter. Guy seemed fine out there tonight. Didn't seem out of shape to me-- he even did some flying stuff. I'd also disagree he's particularly stale... Sting's kind of timeless as a "legend" character at this point. Unless you just mean "old" instead of stale. But if a guy can still wrestle at 52 I say let him do his thing. It's not like Sting's burying Roode or anything-- and I'd be shocked if Sting won this exchange in the end. Feud probably ends after this PPV and Sting... I dunno what Sting moves onto but yeah.

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From reading the results it looked that Joey Ryan only got screwed out of being hired cause he pissed off Tazz

if that's the case then 1) wait to see how the story goes BUT 2) your rant works because it's not even a worked shoot...it's a complete work.

well this episode made gut check useless cause Ryan is awesome (WSX VET YEAH) and Silva is not but I digress

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I think Sting is just as stale as Cena.

He's this abomination of character traits he's amassed over the years that do not work when mixed together at all and make him come across like a massive tool.

And just like Cena he dresses like an idiot. <_<

I don't think Sting is "burying" Roode, in that I don't think it's his choice to go out there and pick up clean wins over the Champion, but the BOOKING is harming Roode.

It would be one thing if Roode hadn't already beaten Sting, but he has!

Angle and Anderson are both indeed much better choices, and Angle would bring a ton of symmetry to the Roode reign considering how the heel turn began.

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I feel like the Botchamania intro has never been more appropriate than this week.

WWE: BOREDOM

TNA: SUFFERING

But there IS an alternative!

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iPPV THIS SATURDAY

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SDR/Saturyne vs. The Batiri
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BE THERE!

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I disagree the booking is harming Roode, because Sting is still presented as a threat.

Your perception is that Sting is washed up and over 50 and therefore shouldn't be relevant or a threat-- I think that's skewing your perception of the harm done by the losses. (I also think that's skewing your perception of his performance in the ring but I digress) That's not the real of the situation though-- that's not how it's presented. It's presented that "this is a Sting who has refocused himself and is stronger than he's been in years"-- so that Sting is a threat Roode has not yet faced. Thusly it makes sense for him to first get the better of him, despite Roode's previous win.

Honestly you kinda remind me of those people who thought OMG ROCK BEATING CENA KILLS CENA'S MOMENTUM AND POPULARITY because their perception was that Rock was an actor and not involved with the business but that's not how WWE presented it at all. It was "super power vs super power" and one super power won-- no harm done. Now it's "persistent champion vs reinvigorated challenger" and in that case it's all about who wins the war, not the battles.

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And Sting is absolutely miscast in that role, because that's EXACTLY what they're gonna do with James Storm.

Or at least it's what logically follows.

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I'm willing to stay out of the Gut Check thing, because I feel there's no winning that argument, but Sting? Sting is done. That match at the top of the card was bad even ignoring the questionable booking decision.

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There are ways you can run similar stories and have them build off each other rather than detract.

Not that TNA will necessarily do this but there's no reason that Storm also doing this is necessarily a bad thing.

And of course there's also a possibility that Storm's route is significantly different in some way.

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I don't see how Storm's path can be any different barring some swerve.

Well, aside from him succeeding where Sting (hopefully) fails.

But it's like edwards said, Kurt Angle is RIGHT THERE.

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That match was perfectly serviceable. Sting wasn't sucking wind. He was doing enough moves that the match didn't boil down to "punch punch punch." Didn't look stiff. Was there something specific that was wrong or can I just assume you guys are both just projecting "50 years old" onto your perception of Sting's ring work.

I mean don't get me wrong I'm not saying "Sting is just as good as he was 15 years ago" I'm just saying "Sting is still good enough to have a good match with a guy who doesn't suck (ie Roode)"

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From: sonten1 | #452
From reading the results it looked that Joey Ryan only got screwed out of being hired cause he pissed off Tazz

if that's the case then 1) wait to see how the story goes BUT 2) your rant works because it's not even a worked shoot...it's a complete work.

well this episode made gut check useless cause Ryan is awesome (WSX VET YEAH) and Silva is not but I digress

I think I want to see Taz wrestle in 2012 even less than Sting.

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That Roode vs. Sting match tonight was baaaaad

I'm actually NOT going to pin that one entirely on Sting, because my major problem with it was the RIDICULOUS abuse of the lumberjacks.

I literally yelled "STOP THROWING HIM OUTSIDE, THEY DON'T LIKE HIM, WE GET IT!!!!" at the TV

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Well I agree lumberjacks were overused to the point where they hurt the match but I thought Sting actually did look like he was in better shape than he'd been in a while.

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rey is suspended?

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CM Punk defeated Kane, Mark Henry (with Tony Atlas), Montel Vontavious Porter, Shelton Benjamin, Kofi Kingston, Christian and Finlay (with Hornswoggle)[22]

time for another wellness scandal!

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BTW I dunno if anyone else saw the lengthy Heyman rant/motivational speech on Twitter tonight but here goes:

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I look at some of these pics, and I realize how blessed I was in my career. Some guys have to wait forever for a lucky break.

I managed @AustinIdolLive and Tommy Rich at the age of 21. Also The Orig Midnights, which I got to do on @ESPN.

Got to book Windy City at 22 years old. Eddie Gilbert's assistant booker at same age.

Got to debut in WCW on TBS at 23 years old. http://pic.twitter.com/0zAOn40l

So I was @JRsBBQ color commentator at 23 years old. NO ONE IS GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT!

I will admit, with all modesty, I #Hustled my ass off, and GOT MYSELF the opportunity with ambition, politics, and pure assertiveness.

Even "down periods" would give me the chance 2 work w/ people like Mean Mark. U know him as "The Undertaker" @WWE http://pic.twitter.com/zC1uUZnH

At 26, I managed @SteveAustinBSR, Rick Rude,Arn,Eaton, Zbyszko ... The Dangerous Alliance (didn't forget @Madusa_Rocks) http://pic.twitter.com/j5vvMfgU

I'm working with these legends, these giants of the industry, these absolute top guys in my 20s ...

In today's system, most super talented people spend a great portion of their 20's just trying to make it onto the main roster ...

... and yes, that has to change ...

I got to take over the creative of #ECW a week after my 28th birthday http://pic.twitter.com/bihGY6Kp

By the time I became @JRsBBQ commentator on @WWE #Raw in 2001, I was 35 years old. STILL a "kid" ...

... but I was already a veteran with decades in the business, and yet a 35 year old today would just be getting that chance ...

... and working with @JRsBBQ on #RAW allowed me to commentate Wmania 17 and @SteveAustinBSR vs @TheRock ...

By the time I worked with Brock Lesnar, which has become my best known managerial role, I was 36 years old ...

I look at some of these pics and videos #HustleTweeters send me, and I realize what an amazingly blessed career I've had ...

I've had more lucky breaks, more open doors, more perfect-storm-timing-opportunities than anyone else I've known.

These pics don't just remind me of "accomplishments," they remind me of what a lucky bastard I've been to be able to ...

(continued) work with these magnificent people, and play these roles, under these various circumstances.

I've hit the lottery so many times, it's easy to just "expect" the next opportunity, or get a sense of entitlement.

But I've never felt entitled. Always blessed. Privileged. Lucky as all Hell.

And yet, I know how much hard work goes into it, and how you have to SCORE with your opportunities.

The next generation in this (or any other business) doesn't just need to "Step Up," they need to "Stand Up" and "Get Noticed!"

Think it was easy for @CMpunk? Think it was easy for @WWEDanielBryan? They had to scratch and claw and fight for every ...

(continued) inch of turf they could pry away from the previous generation, who made them f***in' earn it!!!

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It's not about backstabbing. It's not about kissing ass. It's not about pulling a hot stunt and getting momentary publicity.

It's about creating your own opportunity (like @SteveAustinBSR did with "Stone Cold") and working harder than every1 else looking ...

... for the big break, the next chance, the golden opportunity.

This isn't a pep talk. It's the lay of the land as I see it in today's sports entertainment industry.

I would have written a blog, but who knows if anyone will click on the link?

And while this may be a "stream of consciousness" diatribe, it's a message to those who may be getting frustrated ...

... a message to those who may be wondering "will I ever get that chance? that break? that opportunity?"

DON'T WAIT FOR IT TO COME TO YOU! RELY ON YOURSELF!!!

Do you think @SteveAustinBSR relied on anyone? Did HHH? Did @TheRock? Did Hulk Hogan? Did @CMpunk?

With great humility, I ask you, did I? F*** NO. If there was no opportunity, I created my own, pushed my way in ...

... manipulated the circumstances to beg, borrow, plead, blackmail, bribe, cajole, threaten, bulls*** and/or manufacture ...

All I wanted was a mic in my hand and a time frame in which I had to deliver my message. I knew I would score.

I've seen it in this business for ages.

I saw @ShawnMichaels go from tag team wrestler to greatest all around in-ring performer ever. Think it was easy for him?

I remember when Shawn and Marty were blackballed in the business, and could only work in Ala-f***in-bama.

Think it didn't take @ShawnMichaels everything "and then some" to break out of The Rockers and get a chance as "HBK"?

AMBITION. ASSERTIVENESS ... and the ABILITY TO BACK IT UP is what it takes to create the next generation of main eventers.

The talent is there. The opportunity has never been more widespread. The need for new main eventers is readily apparent.

"DOCILE" and "COMPLACENT" and "HUMBLE TO A FAULT" won't cut it.

While a dose of humility is always needed, that "main event confidence" is just as important.

And it's time for the next group of superstars to stake their claim and create their own generation for others to follow.

Period. Excla-f***in-mation point. The lecture is over. Pontification has ended. Hope I've been of help 2 ANYONE who follows this acct.

... and maybe even to someone who doesn't!

We now return to our regularly scheduled nonsense, #HustleBootyTempTats, and shameless @HeymanHustle website links!

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From: TimJab | #466
rey is suspended?

Yes

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agh synchtube what the hell

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Going back to Gut Check for a second, I have to insist that the quality of the opponent DOES matter. A lot.

My main complaint with the first guy getting signed after having lost to Robbie E is that they talk about potential. But what potential do you have if you just lost quickly and cleanly to the lowest guy on the card. If you can't beat Robbie E, exactly who ARE you going to beat?

Meanwhile, having a competitive match against Austin Aries instantly vaults you AT LEAST into same general category as the entire rest of the X-Division. Based on what we've seen so far, if either guy were to be put in a match against say, Zima Ion, the first guy would certainly be expected to lose, but the second guy could totally have a chance at winning.

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From: Jakyl25 | #454
I think Sting is just as stale as Cena.

He's this abomination of character traits he's amassed over the years that do not work when mixed together at all and make him come across like a massive tool.

And just like Cena he dresses like an idiot. <_<

I don't think Sting is "burying" Roode, in that I don't think it's his choice to go out there and pick up clean wins over the Champion, but the BOOKING is harming Roode.

It would be one thing if Roode hadn't already beaten Sting, but he has!

Angle and Anderson are both indeed much better choices, and Angle would bring a ton of symmetry to the Roode reign considering how the heel turn began.
There is one factor that makes Sting ok for the role even if they are obviously planning something different for storm in that Roode has to contend with this monster of his own creation. This isnt Victory Road Sting or the Sting he systematically destroyed, its Sting the beast.

The trouble is this now means Storm's return has to do something a bit different, but i think it had to anyway. Storm cant come back angry, thats why he lost to Roode in the first place. So booking mechanics-wise its fine. I still wouldve used Angle since Roode still hasnt actually beat the guy, but maybe thats next.

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Jakyl25 posted...

And I don't know if anyone at TNA will come out and say it, but I will.

Sting is done.

Sting is washed the f*** up.

Sting can't wrestle a good match anymore.

Sting should not be headlining PPVs.

Sting should not be getting World Title shots.

You wanna put him in a tag match and let him do his spots off the hot tag? Fine. You wanna use him as a nostalgia act against Hogan on the undercard to maybe sell a couple more PPVs and get the rising stars more spotlight? Fine.

But the guy just doesn't have it anymore.

It'll be by the thinnest of margins, but I would bet a small amount of money that Cena vs. Big Show will be the better of the two matches.

This is one of the biggest things that make me not want to watch TNA. I love Sting. He is my 2nd favorite wrestler of all time (HBK is #1). I cannot stand the idea of watching an over the hill washed up Sting in action. The idea hurts me. I remember watching Flair after he was washed up and I can't stand the thought of watching the Stinger like that. It would tarnish that legacy. I am happy to watch him do promos as a crazy GM or whatever but please don't make him get in the ring and wrestle a full match.

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omg Damien Sandow's pin cover.

So good.

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...That one's almost as good as the No Way Out one.

Almost. I love ADR.

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Wow, Impact's ratings were DOWN 10% last night.

Couple that with Raw's lowest rating in years and it's a bad week to be a wrestling show!

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lol Sin Cara's theme is remixed. What?

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omg Damien Sandow's pin cover.

So good.
literally came in here to post this.

so good.

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So, going back to gut check for a second. I've got a couple suggestions. If they want to be "real" they should go all the way and make it even more real.

1. In a REAL competition like this, you wouldn't have the guys compete against opponents of wildly different skill levels. The gut check guys should face the same guy each week. Preferably an experienced veteran. This would be a great role for Devon if he didn't have the TV title.

2. That guy should be one of the judges, so he can comment on their in-ring performance.

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Ziggler/Sheamus was all sorts of fantastic

Punk/Kane was entertaining to watch

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Today was Michelle Beadle's last show on Sportsnation and ESPN, so they had a send off at the end.

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I really liked Punk/Kane actually. I was surprised. Hate when Punk goes for the GTS and fails though.

Ziggler/Sheamus put on nice matches with regularity. Another one I hope Ziggler seriously feuds with at some point.

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Today was Michelle Beadle's last show on Sportsnation and ESPN, so they had a send off at the end.

Look for the black guy around 2:30

I was summoned?

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Jakyl25 posted...

Wow, Impact's ratings were DOWN 10% last night.

Couple that with Raw's lowest rating in years and it's a bad week to be a wrestling show!

It's a busy sports week. >_>

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From: SmartMuffin | #491
totally on the wrong side


Edge is a traitor lol

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Edge was always a Devils fan

he was at the all star game as wwe champ one year (I think his first reign when he won on NYR) and he was there cheering for Brodeur

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well he should be a leafs fan

but theyre not in the same division so i guess he can be both

but in general arent canadians supposed to hate all the american teams?

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From: GTM | #493
Edge was always a Devils fan

he was at the all star game as wwe champ one year (I think his first reign when he won on NYR) and he was there cheering for Brodeur
Oh I was talking wrestling vs other sports because as stated earlier that wrestling ratings were down this week. lol

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From: SmartMuffin | #485
So, going back to gut check for a second. I've got a couple suggestions. If they want to be "real" they should go all the way and make it even more real.

1. In a REAL competition like this, you wouldn't have the guys compete against opponents of wildly different skill levels. The gut check guys should face the same guy each week. Preferably an experienced veteran. This would be a great role for Devon if he didn't have the TV title.

2. That guy should be one of the judges, so he can comment on their in-ring performance.

It sounds like you're trying to take it in a more proper kayfabe direction, which is totally not what TNA is going for here.

They're trying to present it as REALLY real, as in "not fake like the rest of the show is fake" like Tough Enough, except that in reality (REALITY reality) it's still a work.

Lopen disagrees and thinks that Gut Check as it exists now still entirely exists within the regular kayfabe and doesn't expose the business at all, and maybe you do too, but I just cannot accept that personally.

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