Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Diablo and Vanille vs. Dark Samus

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Diablo and Vanille have challenged Dark Samus to a fight! Location of the fight: Impact Crater - The source of Tallon IV's phazon corruption surrounding a deceased Leviathan. All doors are open, whilst enemies will not spawn. Watch your step - phazon is lethal to the touch. Attackers will start by the teleporter, with defenders starting at Metroid Prime's boss room. Which side will win?


Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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-This match will end in 24 hours.
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Vanille is as seen in the postgame of Final Fantasy XIII, equipped with Nirvana-Belladonna Wand, Tetradic Crown, Ribbon, Magus's Bracelet, and Magistral Crest, all at max level. She has fully mastered the Ravager, Medic, and Saboteur sections of the Crystarium, and may freely switch between the roles. She may not cast Raise, Death, nor use any Techniques.

Diablo is as he appears in Diablo 3 and Heroes of the Storm, with all of his attacks and abilities, although cannot turn into his shadow form.

~VS~

Dark Samus is as she appears in her boss fight in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, although she cannot turn invincible, turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

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The world's greatest threat is back...wait, am I talking about Diablo, Damus or Vanille's accent? FIGHT!
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@ScareChan
@MajinZidane

The floor is yours.
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Definitely need arguments here.
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Terrain isn't great for my team, but its also not too big and fairly connected. Its basically a game of :"The floor is Lava" which my team should figure out quickly enough, and as soon as they realize it Vanille is going to be casting heals to make sure they are doing OK.

Diablo also has his teleport skills so even then it shouldnt be too much to overcome. As soon as Damus shows herself she is only getting off a shot at most before my team sees where she is. Bone cage is a huge thing here as it will basically lock her in place. Even if you dont buy bone cage Diablo has a lot of moves that stun and slow an enemy as does Vanille. Her deprotect and deshell is going to be very useful here.

Vanille makes the difference with heals and debuffs even with the terrain dissadvantage
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Damus flies >_>

Bone cage is completely worthless here.
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Pain, Imperil, Slow, and Daze are also things that should be useful from Vanille
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Match looks like Damus might not be favored, but in this terrain she has all of the tools to win the match

Terrain:

http://vgmaps.com/Atlas/GCN/MetroidPrime-ImpactCrater(In-GameMap).png

A few big rooms with some hallways connecting bigger and smaller areas, which is covered in ~phazon~

Phazon:

https://youtu.be/XFxmk2_6OzQ?t=280

You only need to watch for 5 seconds to see two things: 1) the helmet readout talking about how phazon is fatal after a brief time and 2) the damage it deals Samus when immediately when she touches it (note: Samus is wearing her armor-suit which is specifically designed to withstand phazon and she still takes damage and recognizes that it's fatal to touch).

Damus is made of phazon, so she is immune to its effects (usually in game phazon heals Damus, but that is locked behind character upgrade). Diablo and Vanille are probably not made of phazon, so not immune to its effects. Traveling in this terrain will lead to some phazon exposure for all of the mercs, which is bad news to Not-Damus. If a fight breaks out near/in phazon, super bad news.

Hype package:

Damus is really, really good. She has a lot of the offensive output that most of us are familiar with from Samus, so I won't go into all of the specifics about her long-range and AOE blaster attacks, but let me tell you a bit about her special feats that make her a really powerful combat merc.

Damus can fly:

http://i.imgur.com/Ys0tp4h.webm

Damus is really mobile in a firefight:

http://i.imgur.com/lTYhgDa.webm

Damus can turn invisible, forcing Samus to change visors to see her - in one of the invisibility modes Samus cannot see her at all but can only track her movement (something about Dark Visor and Echo Visor)

http://i.imgur.com/RA6TbVO.webm
http://i.imgur.com/2V7yujI.webm

Damus can make two clones of herself, and does so in the MP3 boss fight that this merc is based on in the write-up:

http://i.imgur.com/42t1637.webm

Damus can use phazon in the terrain as a sheid to protect her from attacks:

http://i.imgur.com/rKWrhGY.webm


The stealth/flight/mobility will allow her to kite through the small corridors (she can turn into ball-mode like Samus if necessary), force fights into the air in larger corridors where she can rain from above, and she'll be able to retreat if needed. Vanille is toast; let's say she's weakened and not killed by the phazon (which is a bit generous), Damus can easily initiate a fight in stealth and take her out quickly. Diablo vs Damus probably won't be as quick, but the phazon + stealth/flight put it over the edge in Damus's favor. Kiting is actually Damus's MO in game -> any time she is losing a fight, she'll turn into her incorporeal form and kind of teleport away. Now she can't enter that form in this mercs fight, but the strategy of kiting until a favorable fight can happen is her go-to move against Samus and if she commits to that here then she'll take the fight easily.
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Damus is absolutely fuckin nothing like Samus in offensive output. >_>

Like unless you want to say 'she has gunz' generically, she really doesn't work the same. She has a combination of strong melee, big kamehameha beams, phazon pillars and machinegunlike phazon fire, whereas Samus works with missiles and powerful single hit beams and her melee is pretty crappy. She also generates clones, which Samus doesn't have.
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Yeah so i suppose my big thing here is - "Can Vanille do anything offensive or does she need to heal constantly"
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MajinZidane posted...

Damus can turn invisible

KanzarisKelshen posted...

turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

arent these kinda the same? jw
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Dark Samus
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Diablo has a lot of self healing abilities from HotS so she doesnt need to constantly heal here.
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I meant herself because of the phazon dot clock
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Eddv posted...

Yeah so i suppose my big thing here is - "Can Vanille do anything offensive or does she need to heal constantly"

Vanille is dead pretty much instantly. Any single Damus clone is way more than she can handle and she's just a human fighting a foe who shoots hyperconcentrated phazon. A lone Damus shot put Samus in a multi-month coma even through her powersuit, even a single stray scattergun hit will kill Vanille. This is really Diablo vs Damus, Vanille is a cheerleader here.
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greengravy294 posted...

MajinZidane posted...

Damus can turn invisible

KanzarisKelshen posted...

turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

arent these kinda the same? jw

No, her incorporeal is something like this:



Which is distinctly different than her invis stuff
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If she's flying she is getting hit with Aeroga


and then a red lightning hose on the tornado sounds pretty fucking nasty
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greengravy294 posted...

MajinZidane posted...

Damus can turn invisible

KanzarisKelshen posted...

turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

arent these kinda the same? jw

if damus is invisible but still corporeal she's kind of just like snake in his stealth suit, you can't see him but if you shot at where he was he'd still get hit
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Eddv posted...

Yeah so i suppose my big thing here is - "Can Vanille do anything offensive or does she need to heal constantly"

Vanille is dead pretty much instantly. Any single Damus clone is way more than she can handle and she's just a human fighting a foe who shoots hyperconcentrated phazon. A lone Damus shot put Samus in a multi-month coma even through her powersuit, even a single stray scattergun hit will kill Vanille. This is really Diablo vs Damus, Vanille is a cheerleader here.

The video I saw wasnt constant phazon damage, there were a lot of safe spots. And its not like Vanille would put herself in front of Diablo
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ScareChan posted...

If she's flying she is getting hit with Aeroga


and then a red lightning hose on the tornado sounds pretty fucking nasty

lol if you think vanille lasts past the first three seconds of the fight

like that's not even worth entertaining

Also Scare, here's something I want a sale on: Damus takes 15 minutes to kill, and this is with Samus having permanent Hypermode (read: that thing that allowed Bass to actually stand up to Sephiroth in a burst form, and is time-limited) for the entire fight. How exactly does Diablo kill Damus considering her durability is probably at least as good as his? Gimme the sale there.
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JeezyMiyagi posted...

greengravy294 posted...

MajinZidane posted...

Damus can turn invisible

KanzarisKelshen posted...

turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

arent these kinda the same? jw

if damus is invisible but still corporeal she's kind of just like snake in his stealth suit, you can't see him but if you shot at where he was he'd still get hit

well yeah but i thought that MAYBE the invisible thing he cited was the incorporeal caveat

i dunno man i played 2 hours of MP3 and i didnt like the wii controls
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The video I saw wasnt constant phazon damage, there were a lot of safe spots. And its not like Vanille would put herself in front of Diablo

You did read the bit where Damus can clone herself right

Do you think Diablo can hold aggro from three Damuses at once and keep Vanille safe still?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

The video I saw wasnt constant phazon damage, there were a lot of safe spots. And its not like Vanille would put herself in front of Diablo

You did read the bit where Damus can clone herself right

Do you think Diablo can hold aggro from three Damuses at once and keep Vanille safe still?

3 Damsuses, some of which he may not be able to see because they're invisible
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

ScareChan posted...

If she's flying she is getting hit with Aeroga


and then a red lightning hose on the tornado sounds pretty fucking nasty

lol if you think vanille lasts past the first three seconds of the fight

like that's not even worth entertaining

Also Scare, here's something I want a sale on: Damus takes 15 minutes to kill, and this is with Samus having permanent Hypermode (read: that thing that allowed Bass to actually stand up to Sephiroth in a burst form, and is time-limited) for the entire fight. How exactly does Diablo kill Damus considering her durability is probably at least as good as his? Gimme the sale there.

Pretty much all his attacks heal him and he has aoe . He has access to non ability apocalypse and that can do work combined with his other moves like red lightning hose.
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Apocalypse literally never hits unless someone else is CCing dudes in HotS for the record

His attacks healing him helps though - I do need a sale on damage, though, because like...the fact Damus took 15 minutes of Samus hypermoding her in the face to die is super freakin' impressive. It's arguably the single best durability feat in Mercenaries this side of Ultralisks having a mission where they canonically tank nuclear missiles. Damus' defense is so absurd that I need some hype that Diablo's faster attacks can actually hurt her - else she'll dance circles around him and grind him down long before she dies.
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I'll try to dig up some of Damus's cooler attacking feats to make Kanz and Gravy happy:

Breaking this cool bridge:



Homing phazon:



Scattergun:



Here's some more homing phazon action while using phazon as a shield:



Killing some bounty hunters in ONE SHOT:


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Can Dark Samus heal at all
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLNb0Jd4_ws

So the way I see it, Damus versus a buffed Diablo, cus there's no way Vanille is insta-gibbed, is pretty f'd.

Diablo
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MajinZidane posted...

Breaking this cool bridge:

Bridges
Gates

What convenience structures of man are safe from this onslaught
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Dams, i hope.
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MenuWars posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLNb0Jd4_ws

So the way I see it, Damus versus a buffed Diablo, cus there's no way Vanille is insta-gibbed, is pretty f'd.

Diablo

Oh i didn't even have to post this myself

Nice
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Apocalypse literally never hits unless someone else is CCing dudes in HotS for the record

His attacks healing him helps though - I do need a sale on damage, though, because like...the fact Damus took 15 minutes of Samus hypermoding her in the face to die is super freakin' impressive. It's arguably the single best durability feat in Mercenaries this side of Ultralisks having a mission where they canonically tank nuclear missions. Damus' defense is so absurd that I need some hype that Diablo's faster attacks can actually hurt her - else she'll dance circles around him and grind him down long before she dies.

I feel like you are hinging on mechanics too much there . Apocalypse is hitting at least once in an fmv setting
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MenuWars posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLNb0Jd4_ws

So the way I see it, Damus versus a buffed Diablo, cus there's no way Vanille is insta-gibbed, is pretty f'd.

how is Vanille not insta-gibbed when there's phazon around in the terrain that hurts her and she can't see the 3 Damus clones? lol
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Lopen posted...

MajinZidane posted...

Breaking this cool bridge:

Bridges
Gates

What convenience structures of man are safe from this onslaught

lol, I just wanted to show you some of her POWERFUL ATTACKs =)


(but none of them are)
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Diablo masking as a samus clone to get behind her and gank her would be a very sick ending btw
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vanille and diablo

ffxiii is powerful, the character is a debuffer, healer and spellcaster here

diablo can shield her, and is beefy enough to take direct hits while they're both farting out magic or whatever
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Of note is that those bounty hunters don't die, you fight them later. The blast knocked everybody comatose though and began corrupting them, so it was some hefty-ass shit.

Anyway, tentative vote for Dark Samus here. The absurd level of tankiness, combined with speed and flight to get away from Diablo, plus how nasty Phazon is and her attacks in general are is very solid. This match takes a hella long time (no less than 10 minutes of straight battling IMO), but she takes it.

Lopen posted...

Can Dark Samus heal at all

Nope. Considering how beefy she is though, the odds of Diablo winning the damage race are kinda iffy.
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Based on videos I honestly feel diablo has a speed advantage
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She's in full end game gear, and isn't just gonna stand around in phazon, and even if she did, she's gonna get at least one buff off on Diablo, and even if in a straight up one v one, I still take Diablo. He's gone up against bigger game than Damus.
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I feel like you are hinging on mechanics too much there . Apocalypse is hitting at least once in an fmv setting

Probably! But Damus is so tanky that the one opening diablo gets doesn't make a difference. She's much, MUCH beefier than Ridley. The lady is one of the absolute best tanks we got in terms of pure damage-soaking capability, maybe the best.
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Alright so seriously though. Hype packages aside. Important questions for me.

- Does Dark Samus have any healing.
- Usually the clone things have a catch, like the clones are glass cannons or it takes some sorta resource or it can't be done often. Is there one here.
- Kanzaris says "it takes 15 minutes of attacks to kill Dark Samus" does she have actual cutscene durability feats or is this just boss energy hype cause I don't know how seriously to take boss battle mechanics.

BONUS QUESTION

- Does Dark Samus "feel" would Diablo's TER ROR actually have any effect on her whatsoever.
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Kanz how well would damus hold up without her suit?

Like the gate if diablo gets in Meele range it's possible he cracks the suit or Helmut. How does she fare after that?
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BOSS ENERGY HYPE baby

its a BOSS ENEMY vs BOSS ENEMY lets go
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MenuWars posted...

She's in full end game gear, and isn't just gonna stand around in phazon, and even if she did, she's gonna get at least one buff off on Diablo, and even if in a straight up one v one, I still take Diablo. He's gone up against bigger game than Damus.

What's the bigger game? Damus corrupted entire planets. She oneshotted Samus, who herself would have a solid match with Diablo even in this terrain. On top of that, buffs expire, and this is not going to be a battle either side wins quickly because both power players are outrageous tanks. I really don't get these arguments, they feel completely warped from what would probably happen here.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

She oneshotted Samus

Could you elaborate on the circumstances behind this. I mean, she obviously doesn't oneshot Samus in the end as Samus wins so it sounds kinda loaded.
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ScareChan posted...

Kanz how well would damus hold up without her suit?

Damus is the suit.

See: Nightmare
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ScareChan posted...

Kanz how well would damus hold up without her suit?

Like the gate if diablo gets in Meele range it's possible he cracks the suit or Helmut. How does she fare after that?

It's not a suit. It's her body. Damus looks like Samus' powersuit but has absolutely no tech on her. All that she can do she can do by natural prowess from being a super evolved version of Metroid Prime.

- Usually the clone things have a catch, like the clones are glass cannons or it takes some sorta resource or it can't be done often. Is there one here.
- Kanzaris says "it takes 15 minutes of attacks to kill Dark Samus" does she have actual cutscene durability feats or is this just boss energy hype cause I don't know how seriously to take boss battle mechanics

The clones are glassier than Damus but they don't explode instantly - it takes concentrated fire, IIRC like 10-15 seconds of hitting them with Phazon to the face to make them go boom. So stray AoE ain't popping them unless you think a random firestomp from Diablo >>>>> Samus' best damaging moves.

As for cutscene durability, she pops up a whole bunch of times across MP3 and pretty much totally no-sells you throughout - I think in the prologue planet when she nukes all the bounty hunters they launch attacks at her to no effect too. It's pretty well sold that what hurts Damus is the fact Phazon vs Phazon generates a degenerative reaction...and Diablo has no phazon moves. Damus' writeup is legit pretty dumb because it's not 'proofed' like Ridley's to say 'conventional attacks damage her as Samus' SSJ mode would'. >_>
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If Vanille had a physically defensive set but all her magic defense isnt going to help at all with this defensive set.
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Lopen posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

She oneshotted Samus

Could you elaborate on the circumstances behind this. I mean, she obviously doesn't oneshot Samus in the end as Samus wins so it sounds kinda loaded.

I'll do ya one better and post the event with a vid. Gimme a min.
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I have the vid RIGHT HERE

https://youtu.be/ecWJBum2jSc?t=2204
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You're talking to me about warped arguments when you're arguing someone that jobs to Samus on the regular, can single handedly obliterate the literal "Lord of Terror".
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