Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 9: Invasion Of The Clones

(+) Yeah! (+)

If you think the removal of strongman cripples setups I need to teach a hosting setup.
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Ben, To be frank, I thought you'd still be around day 5 too.
Pirate_Harris posted...

*flips table*

Being town sucks.... igcd I thank you for swapping in so great.... but holy shit i applaud scum for not killing me all the time... my abysmal play as a cop is now the lowest of the low imo... I think I should rework how I trust people and actually fucking read the game like I did on day 2... I blame myself for believing scare on day 2, I blame myself for not believing ben on day 4, I swear I never EVVVVERRRRRR will play this bad again...

I give you chris the permission to exile me for being the worst town no no no, the worst cop ever in the history of mafia...

Scare i think you did the best job in steering me to vote for han which wasn't particularly a hard task considering I was at my wits end...

Chris I think you were gone too soon and I needed you badly because you know your stuff and I got lost in translation

Ben I apologise for thinking you were scum and I hole heartly blame myself for scares convincing ways

You weren't the worst cop ever.

But it was clearly a case of the blind leading the blind... so yeah, I take at least half the blame for this!
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Pirate_Harris posted...

*flips table*

Being town sucks.... igcd I thank you for swapping in so great.... but holy shit i applaud scum for not killing me all the time... my abysmal play as a cop is now the lowest of the low imo... I think I should rework how I trust people and actually fucking read the game like I did on day 2... I blame myself for believing scare on day 2, I blame myself for not believing ben on day 4, I swear I never EVVVVERRRRRR will play this bad again...

I give you chris the permission to exile me for being the worst town no no no, the worst cop ever in the history of mafia...

Scare i think you did the best job in steering me to vote for han which wasn't particularly a hard task considering I was at my wits end...

Chris I think you were gone too soon and I needed you badly because you know your stuff and I got lost in translation

Ben I apologise for thinking you were scum and I hole heartly blame myself for scares convincing ways

I thought I was a fine scan, at least
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Pirate if you read in the mafia boards that you were a better team player for scum than Geno, please know that this is not meant with any offence towards you. You did fine, it's just- the people directing you weren't all on your side.
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It removes the possibility for potential balance. Moves and counter moves. Roles and counter roles. Yes, I have a doctor but I have a strongman. That is what I mean by cripple. You want things to be as even and as fair as possible. Let's say we don't have a strongman. Now we need two scum members to cancel out one and that's if we only have one form of protection.
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I'm not gonna ask anyone their opinion on my playstyle because it's very apparent that I didn't do a good job, I was full of piss and vinegar at the start of day 1 and I thought man we have a town chris and that means we have this game in the bag but I was wrong and it was that wrongness that truly made those bad scans
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Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.
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hombad46 posted...

I think Hombad played really well for scum. He was getting obvious on day 4 and 5 with the lengths he'd go to argue why town should be lynched, but at that point he probably realized he could get away with it.

If Geno could get away with literally claiming a newcomer, well... why bother. And yeah, we picked you because you were the most likely to screw us over on that last day, so you were playing pretty well too

That was a classic case of "so scummy that scum would never do it on purpose". And I would fall for it every time
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Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate if you read in the mafia boards that you were a better team player for scum than Geno, please know that this is not meant with any offence towards you. You did fine, it's just- the people directing you weren't all on your side.

Yeah it's no wonder, hbattle when I'm scum I am the best, I guess because I'm a pathological liar irl so I throw a lot of shade on others... and then scum suicide myself when the ruse is up
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I seriously don't know how Geno actually survived
He basically did nothing and had the most bullshit possible claim
Turns out this was because he didn't read half his role PM.
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Chris, any way I could have improved my play other than not being a lazy fuck?
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More direct vote analysis.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I seriously don't know how Geno actually survived
He basically did nothing and had the most bullshit possible claim
Turns out this was because he didn't read half his role PM.

Chris put him in the book of confirmed Town. What do you think the odds of him surviving are if Chris didnt do that?
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Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane
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Next game I am gonna co host instead of playing... I think I need to a lot better and actually watch the game
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Playing is the best way to get better.
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Chris, it IS kind of hard to do vote analysis when there are a lot of Town making bad calls. I only say that because every time I tried, I found myself thinking "Or maybe they're just bad" and gave it up. Like on the day Pendragon should have been killed...I couldnt even fathom how anyone could choose Shonen over him, so I'm left thinking either eveyone is scum, or the lines are really blurred
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red13n posted...

Playing is the best way to get better.

Red, I hate being town because it's so hard to scumhunt when you are believing nearly everyone is town for some reason or another
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.
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GG scum team...

My mind is spent, my body is broken.... lead me to my lynch...
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also banning strongman is dumb. Roles are banned/etc for game balance. Silencer isn't balanced. It removes the ability to talk and vote. Its essentially +1 scum among a host of other issues like basically not allowing a living player to play.

Nothing about strongman broke the game. In fact, had town simply used its powers correctly(So many used on obvious scum), used lynched correctly on 50/50s even once, the game was an easy town win. Town lost because of their own play, not because of any broken role.
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Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.

Alright, I wasn't being confident because a confident pirate is a scum pirate
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benjamin3740 posted...

Chris, it IS kind of hard to do vote analysis when there are a lot of Town making bad calls. I only say that because every time I tried, I found myself thinking "Or maybe they're just bad" and gave it up. Like on the day Pendragon should have been killed...I couldnt even fathom how anyone could choose Shonen over him, so I'm left thinking either eveyone is scum, or the lines are really blurred

Ben, considering how much of the scumteam was new to the game, the answer is that we are both bad AND scum.
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red13n posted...

also banning strongman is dumb. Roles are banned/etc for game balance. Silencer isn't balanced. It removes the ability to talk and vote. Its essentially +1 scum among a host of other issues like basically not allowing a living player to play.

Nothing about strongman broke the game. In fact, had town simply used its powers correctly(So many used on obvious scum), used lynched correctly on 50/50s even once, the game was an easy town win. Town lost because of their own play, not because of any broken role.

Oh this was not about this game. I am sick of dying night 1
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Pirate_Harris posted...

red13n posted...

Playing is the best way to get better.

Red, I hate being town because it's so hard to scumhunt when you are believing nearly everyone is town for some reason or another

Pick someone and question them.

Don't be afraid of being wrong.
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And again, I'm on the "not every game should have a strongman".

You've seen me say the same thing about roleblocker.

Same goes for town roles(Doc+Bodyguard+town roleblocker is getting a little ridiculous guys. Seriously, its triple protection from nightkills).
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Maybe ToS medium is a role you guys should think about adding in- it would allow the dead to have some form of play even after dying.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh this was not about this game. I am sick of dying night 1

my advice, convince other people to actually play. You had to die this game not because of being right, but because town simply wasn't playing. Its not doing b8 any good to "sheep chris" as you saw from how the rest of the game went. Day 1 was frustrating because town was literally not playing. There was no reason to engage any of them because they werent engaging period.
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Hbattle, Hombad, Saul, pend, terra, geno and LoLo... this is a town pirate... despite how blind my play was... remember this when I play with you again...
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Also we dangled scare in front of you and you backed off from the lynch.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

red13n posted...

Playing is the best way to get better.

Red, I hate being town because it's so hard to scumhunt when you are believing nearly everyone is town for some reason or another

Pick someone and question them.

Don't be afraid of being wrong.

I hate being wrong because that makes me look bad and then I get pressured and then I die
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red13n posted...

Also we dangled scare in front of you and you backed off from the lynch.

Inactives also piss me off. I deal with a lot in this community that I dont elsewhere. Imagine for a moment a game with no inactives, town talking with me, and no strongman
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.

Alright, I wasn't being confident because a confident pirate is a scum pirate

Then make it just Pirate.
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Especially on day 1, if you are town, you have a better chance of being right than anyone unless someone has the role "Host Confirmed Town" or something.
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Red are you referring to me? Because I didnt mean to be doing nothing. I just was very confident Chris was town and actually thought it was a bold play to support him. We didnt agree on everything either - like Doopliss for example.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Red are you referring to me? Because I didnt mean to be doing nothing. I just was very confident Chris was town and actually thought it was a bold play to support him. We didnt agree on everything either - like Doopliss for example.

Partly. Once you commit to only lynching who another person chooses, its pointless to engage you unless actively trying to kill you.
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Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.

Alright, I wasn't being confident because a confident pirate is a scum pirate

Then make it just Pirate.

I can try doop and that's all I can guarantee
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Chris, if you want to stop dying so much, just continue your Chris lessons (tm) and make us all as good as you so you aren't the obvious NK anymore.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.

Alright, I wasn't being confident because a confident pirate is a scum pirate

Then make it just Pirate.

I can try doop and that's all I can guarantee

Good, that's all anyone can ask for.

You'd think I could ask for Town to listen to me on just ONE of four goddamn lynches but apparently I can't ask for that so that just leaves trying.
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Or we ban regular strongman. Come up with better ideas. Reward skillfully selecting targets.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Red are you referring to me? Because I didnt mean to be doing nothing. I just was very confident Chris was town and actually thought it was a bold play to support him. We didnt agree on everything either - like Doopliss for example.

Basically, when you do that, in the future you have no rapport with town. You trust chris is town, town trusts you that chris is town maybe.

but with no chris, does town still trust you are town? nope.

you are now met with skepticism the rest of the game, even if they are leaning town you could have done better.

Full engagement is way better than the half-effort you gave there.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Or we ban regular strongman. Come up with better ideas. Reward skillfully selecting targets.

or you know, you end up with power, we know your power, and now we cant kill you because you are auto-doc target. The fact is this isn't a role problem, its a player problem.

Board 8 isnt going to get better if they play every day like they did this day 1.
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I mean, and it happened to us this game, we'd already had protection die. We shot at power, and town had another protection up their sleeve.

is that somehow a skill? Were we supposed to assume double protection with a roleblocker?

you are talking about skillful shots but mostly its a "Chris doesnt want to die". Its a you issue, not a larger issue.
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Then roleblock me. Or have a power where if you know my role it can be a strongman.

Truth be told I am never dying to a regular strongman again because it just is no longer worth my time to sign up without assurances.
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I'm sorry guys.
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red13n posted...

I mean, and it happened to us this game, we'd already had protection die. We shot at power, and town had another protection up their sleeve.

is that somehow a skill? Were we supposed to assume double protection with a roleblocker?

you are talking about skillful shots but mostly its a "Chris doesnt want to die". Its a you issue, not a larger issue.

Btw you had 6/18 so yes. Assume power for town as 6/18 is bad tbh
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm sorry guys.

not your fault; you got thrown in at the end of game.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Btw you had 6/18 so yes. Assume power for town as 6/18 is bad tbh

we were very light power for the most part. And again, town had triple kill protection.
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red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Btw you had 6/18 so yes. Assume power for town as 6/18 is bad tbh

we were very light power for the most part. And again, town had triple kill protection.

yes but with strongman that's basically 6/17 so

numbers definitely matter
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anyway, I probably should have expected 6 scum
still have the setup from tiny toons and that was up there in scum% as well.
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