Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 9: Invasion Of The Clones

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Shonen_Bat posted...

Hey, I don't want to call anyone out or offend anyone, but why is this game taken as seriously as it is? The stakes are pretty low and games seem to be reasonably frequent.

It really depends on the group of people you're playing with.
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Hombad's just doing so much in the way of thinking that he just wouldn't have a reason to do if he were scum.

Doop thats just how I am. I over analyze everything.

And... huh. No wonder FD and Ben thought vanillas had no flavor. Thats a pinch of spice at best
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hombad46 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

How in the goddamn did you guys pull off that in the last 2 hours I wasnt there
Jesus Christ I thought Pen was screwed

Wtf

IGCD saved us

This feels like cheating but I would have done the same thing if I wasn't playing Smash all day.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Fifthly, I like how when it became obvious there was a doctor and an RB and a BG no one turned to the horrible lightning rod claim and be like Um, there's no way. Not one person did this. I am not going to degrade HB, you play to your audience after all, but shame on town.

I did say this. But I didnt do anything beyond that because of the balance already being weird with only two claimed scanners
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Shonen_Bat posted...

Hey, I don't want to call anyone out or offend anyone, but why is this game taken as seriously as it is? The stakes are pretty low and games seem to be reasonably frequent.

If anyone ever tells you winning isnt everything, they are lying to themselves.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

How in the goddamn did you guys pull off that in the last 2 hours I wasnt there
Jesus Christ I thought Pen was screwed

Wtf

They didn't, town just played it very poorly. Again, no offense guys, you play to win and you won but like... town killed their power for the most part not scum.

The EoD switch to Bat and Terra were unforced errors really.

Also you had a very good day 1, gj HB. Was not nearly as impressed with you and hom when you kept doing mental gynmnastics to vote town but no one alive noticed so

Yeah I did kinda think it was weird I was "confirmed town" and nobody but sultan questioned that in the first 30 minutes
Buttttttttttttttttttttttt it helped me win the game so I guess I don't care?
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Honestly, I thought I was dead to rights all day. "Bad Town" or whatever you want to say, but I think that's the best fast-talking I've ever done as Scum. Which isn't saying much, but I'm still a little proud.
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"Unblockable" is just the term I used because I often get the difference between a strong man and a assassin confused. I essentially wanted it to go through the roleblock or doctor. I would have allowed the BG to go through.

I don't think you can ban those roles either, Chris. You have become a victim of your own success. You tout that you are top 5 town play in the world and you are going to be killed because of it. You suddenly put a crutch on every setup going forward by putting a ban on it. I'm not the best public speaker so you are going to debate this and my arguments going forward will not look as good but what I am saying here is a fact man. You play in a game you're going to be killed. It happens but in the end, like you told me, it's not that big of a deal it is just a game.
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is your newbie topic still around chris
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I can actually do whatever I want. I single handedly made games for over 2 years be limited to 17 players. Basically I guess hosts can choose between their crappy strongman or me in the game.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

is your newbie topic still around chris

It purged when I got sick, have a google doc though will work on it privately and publish it complete
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

is your newbie topic still around chris

It purged when I got sick, have a google doc though will work on it privately and publish it complete

pity

i really need some more help
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Chris, for the record, I wanted to not kill you Night 1 to see if we could get Han to attempt to lynch you.
I was sadly shot down, I thought that would have been interesting.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Chris, for the record, I wanted to not kill you Night 1 to see if we could get Han to attempt to lynch you.
I was sadly shot down, I thought that would have been interesting.

A day 2 with Han and Chris alive would have probably been the fight of my life.

sounds fun
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Screw everyone who was calling Shonen "100% confirmed scum" all of day 4 for some reason. Never be confident again -___-
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I can actually do whatever I want. I single handedly made games for over 2 years be limited to 17 players. Basically I guess hosts can choose between their crappy strongman or me in the game.

Well, like with picking Corrik and Shad over Ulti. Games will likely go on without you because like in the game itself plurality is key and no one should should reveal their setup to appease you before the game starts.
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Hbthebattle posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

How in the goddamn did you guys pull off that in the last 2 hours I wasnt there
Jesus Christ I thought Pen was screwed

Wtf

They didn't, town just played it very poorly. Again, no offense guys, you play to win and you won but like... town killed their power for the most part not scum.

The EoD switch to Bat and Terra were unforced errors really.

Also you had a very good day 1, gj HB. Was not nearly as impressed with you and hom when you kept doing mental gynmnastics to vote town but no one alive noticed so

Yeah I did kinda think it was weird I was "confirmed town" and nobody but sultan questioned that in the first 30 minutes
Buttttttttttttttttttttttt it helped me win the game so I guess I don't care?

Yeah I was confused how that happened but I didnt ask since why would I? I looked back and it seems to be because you were the first to say the town flavor
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Hbthebattle posted...

Chris, for the record, I wanted to not kill you Night 1 to see if we could get Han to attempt to lynch you.
I was sadly shot down, I thought that would have been interesting.

Confirmed vig innocent scanned Chris solos your team tbh
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benjamin3740 posted...

Screw everyone who was calling Shonen "100% confirmed scum" all of day 4 for some reason. Never be confident again -___-

Guess that ISO I did on him paid off
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eaedwards6400 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I can actually do whatever I want. I single handedly made games for over 2 years be limited to 17 players. Basically I guess hosts can choose between their crappy strongman or me in the game.

Well, like with picking Corrik and Shad over Ulti. Games will likely go on without you because like in the game itself plurality is key and no one should should reveal their setup to appease you before the game starts.

We banned silencer. We can ban strongman.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Chris, for the record, I wanted to not kill you Night 1 to see if we could get Han to attempt to lynch you.
I was sadly shot down, I thought that would have been interesting.

Would have been fun but we had the game setup with a need to get chris out for safety. On top of the fact that too many town were literally just not playing the game d1 and lynching whoever chris said(Town made it a lot harder on themselves because there really werent many thoughts put out day 1 by town itself).
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For real though Ben, why did you think I was scum for so long? Asking for future games.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Screw everyone who was calling Shonen "100% confirmed scum" all of day 4 for some reason. Never be confident again -___-

To be fair many of us who did so knew full well he was town
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red13n posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Chris, for the record, I wanted to not kill you Night 1 to see if we could get Han to attempt to lynch you.
I was sadly shot down, I thought that would have been interesting.

Would have been fun but we had the game setup with a need to get chris out for safety. On top of the fact that too many town were literally just not playing the game d1 and lynching whoever chris said(Town made it a lot harder on themselves because there really werent many thoughts put out day 1 by town itself).

Dont forget that we nearly lost our strongman day 1. After that we had to use him
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Anyway Chris, can you review the scumteam too? I'd like feedback so I know where I can improve.
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You guys were really naked in your town murdering. You got away with it here but that's asking for trouble in further games. Seriously. Super murdery of town.

That and that claim of yours was really bad.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I can actually do whatever I want. I single handedly made games for over 2 years be limited to 17 players. Basically I guess hosts can choose between their crappy strongman or me in the game.

Well, like with picking Corrik and Shad over Ulti. Games will likely go on without you because like in the game itself plurality is key and no one should should reveal their setup to appease you before the game starts.

We banned silencer. We can ban strongman.

Silencer is a role that can kill the one thing games need. Activity. A strongman is a tool that scum has to counter the doctor. It is strategy. Like I said this is more to do with than it does about the role itself.

You're like Sandra from Survivor ( spoiler she won twice ) and only made it 6 boots because she was such a big threat they threw their own immunity to get rid of her. You're too good for your own good.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You guys were really naked in your town murdering. You got away with it here but that's asking for trouble in further games. Seriously. Super murdery of town.

That and that claim of yours was really bad.

Good to know. Was the claim bad because Lightning Rod would have been overkill in a game with three protectives already?
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To be fair; my surgery was on the day this game started; was stuck to my phone all day 1 (why mostly questions, I was trying to keep myself focused), was low on blood through day 2... work started back up by day 3's end and having 56hrs/week when it's not requested put me on a low drive by the end of today.

so yeah.

until I actually get in a different line of work

no more mafia

though it was fun to argue again
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Strongman is a skill-less role. Mafia should be about skill. Mafia should earn their night kills. Why would I even bother signing up in a community where if i am town I am cut down.
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The solution is to get players who are just as dangerous as you are. If you're one of the world's top 5 town, who are the other 4?
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Pendragon71037 posted...

For real though Ben, why did you think I was scum for so long? Asking for future games.

You weren't playing reactively. A lot of that can maybe be contributed to you being busy IRL, but there were huge moments that you just didn't acknowledge at all. The best way for me to townread someone is to see a genuine reaction they have. When you posted, it was all very calculated, and you usually stuck to just giving your reads. You didnt react strongly to almost getting mislynched as doctor, you didnt really react to Han and Scare's day 2, instead basing your reasoning off their day 1. No normal town would do that. Reads can change on a dime. No normal town would choose to not defend them-self on purpose either. That was a different thing i didnt like.
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I dont have a list handy. It was more of a broad stroke statement.

But I will argue against strongman all day. It is so thoughtless. Why does it need to be night 1 ability.
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Ugh. I thought I was playing better this game than I ever have as Town, but I still only managed to get half the scum team right.

In my defense, the only lynch this game I was in favor of was the only lynch that hit scum.
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Perhaps the solution is not to ban it but to nerf it. Instead of removing it, make it unusable on N1, for example.
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I'll at least do my part.

I vow to never use strongman again
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I used a variant where it was a strongman if mafia guessed the person's role right. I thought that was clever and made role fishing more user friendly.
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"For the record, Ben, if you ever read this, we werent sure about Terra being Doc."

Ah. Well it was apparent at some moment early day 4, even before Pen changed his claim to doctor. Because everyone else had already given away they were Vanilla, except Terra who hinted he was power

I assumed scum was more on top of that than me
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benjamin3740 posted...

"For the record, Ben, if you ever read this, we werent sure about Terra being Doc."

Ah. Well it was apparent at some moment early day 4, even before Pen changed his claim to doctor. Because everyone else had already given away they were Vanilla, except Terra who hinted he was power

I assumed scum was more on top of that than me

Honestly he was hinting so strongly that he was that I almost thought he was vanilla trying to mislead us into killing him
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Wouldn't the Doc LIE about being the doc and pretend to be vanilla?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Wouldn't the Doc LIE about being the doc and pretend to be vanilla?

Not always.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Strongman is a skill-less role. Mafia should be about skill. Mafia should earn their night kills. Why would I even bother signing up in a community where if i am town I am cut down.

I will continue to say your conquest about the Strongman is about you. You've become larger than life on this board in terms of mafia.

benjamin3740 posted...

I'll at least do my part.

I vow to never use strongman again

Look at this fool. Even outside of the game you have followers.

If it is truly about skill then why do we have any roles? It all should be 100% about the things we read in game then. That's what you're essentially saying.

I will not sit here and pretend to be a good player. I'm just telling you this is about you. You have found a place to consistently play a game you love and are good at but because you are so good at it you will be the main target 90% of the time. Because let's say we ban Strongman for you, you survive 3/4 days people are still going to question why you are still alive because you're too big of a threat. It is true, it is so true that scum teams have used it as strategy. I understand the disappointment that comes from being killed day 1 all the time but we cant cripple our future setups just for you.

Frankly, you ought to just sign up as a replacement because we can never seem to get through a game without one anymore.
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Nothing wrong with replacing in, yeah.

Frankly, I like replacing in; it's always less stressful to read these topics as an observer.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Frankly, you ought to just sign up as a replacement

This just seems like it would lead to another lame metagame tbh

"man it looks like conversation's pretty dead and no one has any leads
lemme replace real fast and let Chris demolish the scumteam with the 3-4 days of knowledge he has on them"
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Doopliss_Power posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Frankly, you ought to just sign up as a replacement

This just seems like it would lead to another lame metagame tbh

"man it looks like conversation's pretty dead and no one has any leads
lemme replace real fast and let Chris demolish the scumteam with the 3-4 days of knowledge he has on them"

not if the scumteam gets him to replace one of theirs first!
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I think Hombad played really well for scum. He was getting obvious on day 4 and 5 with the lengths he'd go to argue why town should be lynched, but at that point he probably realized he could get away with it.

You guys killed me at the right time though. When I got nightkilled, Chris PM'd me and told me to guess the 4 scum or I'm a failure. I removed everyone that I thought was FOR SURE town and was left with the exact scum team. I wish I had thought to try doing that in the game topic, but I really didnt expect to get night killed that night, and assumed I had more time on later days. I didnt want to start revoking the BOOK OF CONFIRMED TOWN on day 4 either, because I've never done that as town before, and people were starting to suspect me. I wanted to wait till after Pen flipped so I'd look a little more trustworthy.

ALSO HB AND GENO WERE ADDED BY CHRIS, SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY THE BOOK IS STILL 100% ACCURATE AND NOT COUNT THAT UGH ;0;
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*flips table*

Being town sucks.... igcd I thank you for swapping in so great.... but holy shit i applaud scum for not killing me all the time... my abysmal play as a cop is now the lowest of the low imo... I think I should rework how I trust people and actually fucking read the game like I did on day 2... I blame myself for believing scare on day 2, I blame myself for not believing ben on day 4, I swear I never EVVVVERRRRRR will play this bad again...

I give you chris the permission to exile me for being the worst town no no no, the worst cop ever in the history of mafia...

Scare i think you did the best job in steering me to vote for han which wasn't particularly a hard task considering I was at my wits end...

Chris I think you were gone too soon and I needed you badly because you know your stuff and I got lost in translation

Ben I apologise for thinking you were scum and I hole heartly blame myself for scares convincing ways
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eaedwards6400 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Strongman is a skill-less role. Mafia should be about skill. Mafia should earn their night kills. Why would I even bother signing up in a community where if i am town I am cut down.

I will continue to say your conquest about the Strongman is about you. You've become larger than life on this board in terms of mafia.

benjamin3740 posted...

I'll at least do my part.

I vow to never use strongman again

Look at this fool. Even outside of the game you have followers.

If it is truly about skill then why do we have any roles? It all should be 100% about the things we read in game then. That's what you're essentially saying.

I will not sit here and pretend to be a good player. I'm just telling you this is about you. You have found a place to consistently play a game you love and are good at but because you are so good at it you will be the main target 90% of the time. Because let's say we ban Strongman for you, you survive 3/4 days people are still going to question why you are still alive because you're too big of a threat. It is true, it is so true that scum teams have used it as strategy. I understand the disappointment that comes from being killed day 1 all the time but we cant cripple our future setups just for you.

Frankly, you ought to just sign up as a replacement because we can never seem to get through a game without one anymore.

It's because I had a scum DAY KILL strongman in the previous game, and regret it. Lol
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I think Hombad played really well for scum. He was getting obvious on day 4 and 5 with the lengths he'd go to argue why town should be lynched, but at that point he probably realized he could get away with it.

If Geno could get away with literally claiming a newcomer, well... why bother. And yeah, we picked you because you were the most likely to screw us over on that last day, so you were playing pretty well too
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Frankly, you ought to just sign up as a replacement

This just seems like it would lead to another lame metagame tbh

"man it looks like conversation's pretty dead and no one has any leads
lemme replace real fast and let Chris demolish the scumteam with the 3-4 days of knowledge he has on them"

not if the scumteam gets him to replace one of theirs first!

This reminds me that I almost made the ULTIMATE REPLACEMENT role in Danganronpa mafia to be a role where after you died you could join the replace list. But then I thought people might suicide to get them back in on purpose
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