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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 9:52:51 PM
#151:


turbopuns3 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Puns, walk me through your thought process for claiming here as opposed to say, trying to draw a kill. Something more fleshed out than "meh"


I'm miller?


That's not a thought process. You think you're highly likely to be scanned? More so than being able to draw a kill by being generally one of the better players? Especially because as you lampshade you don't want a long lived role?
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turbopuns3
06/18/19 9:53:13 PM
#152:


Lopen posted...
What benefit to town do you think town knowing you're miller asap gives turbopuns3


It's literally decade old meta or something.
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Obellisk
06/18/19 9:53:15 PM
#153:


turbopuns3 posted...
Obellisk posted...
Lopen posted...
Positive expected value it's a gambling (/LIFE) thing. Blame meisnewbie he likes the term.


Ahh, thank you.

Yes I agree ultimately lynching Ulti day one does have a +EV


Ulti is 100000000000% town


I'm not saying he's town or scum. I'm just saying lynching him will pay off over time.
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Lopen
06/18/19 9:53:16 PM
#154:


turbopuns3 posted...
Ulti is 100000000000% town


That hurts the EV do you have data to support that percentage or are you rounding
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pezloco
06/18/19 9:54:35 PM
#155:


UltimaterializerX posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Given Hans opening posts (which I am never not reading in full again), Im not paying a lick of attention to flavor in this game. Han is smart enough to where hell just dick with people for using flavor meta.

Obellisk posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Obellisk posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
One issue I do have with Puns's claim is that it seems to imply that the roles are authors, but my role (and the sample role) are characters with a book.


Is almost like we should not meta the flavor.

Well, actually, my theory is that scum will all be authors and not characters, making Punss role make a lot more sense in that situation.


Oh I see. Well that is certainly a theory. However I don't think our host would screw the scum team by not telling them that and letting them walk into a massacre when they claim authors.


Look how painstakingly written Han's opening was. He also specifically said don't meta. I'll still do it a little just for fun, but it's not going to be fundamental to anything I look at.

Being the "author" but not the author might be exactly why from a meta point of view (in addition to the flavor Puns already gave us) the role is miller.
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benjamin3740
06/18/19 9:55:10 PM
#156:


Lea3Lea posted...
Obellisk posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Oh, I know Ben is alluding to the great literary classic, Hansel and Gretel, by LAYING BREAD CRUMBS, but I stand by my question


Now that it's been a bit.
I can't help but not like that lone post of his.


Since he hasn't actually followed it up with the trademark Ben charm, or anything, it does feel kind of "hello I am technically present"

Hey hey, I'm just now in the process of reading the 3 pages we have so far. I'll talk more when I'm in the present!

Also, since we haven't played in a while I feel like I need to get this out now - im beyond college and working a job that keeps me pretty busy in the working ours of the weekday, so I can't be nearly as active as I used to be. I end up having to go to bed early now too ;0;

But yeah I've been lynched the last two games for lower activity than what people were used to but I've been town every time, so just letting you know
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turbopuns3
06/18/19 9:55:33 PM
#157:


Lea3Lea posted...
That's not a thought process. You think you're highly likely to be scanned? More so than being able to draw a kill by being generally one of the better players? Especially because as you lampshade you don't want a long lived role?


Last game I was town vanilla and I tried dropping power hints throughout day 1.

The result was in scum chat they literally said "let's use X power on a town who we'd otherwise never consider touching at all" and I was that town
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Obellisk
06/18/19 9:55:41 PM
#158:


Pez, I just think any meta at this point is foolish.
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benjamin3740
06/18/19 9:55:44 PM
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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 9:56:21 PM
#160:


turbopuns3 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
That's not a thought process. You think you're highly likely to be scanned? More so than being able to draw a kill by being generally one of the better players? Especially because as you lampshade you don't want a long lived role?


Last game I was town vanilla and I tried dropping power hints throughout day 1.

The result was in scum chat they literally said "let's use X power on a town who we'd otherwise never consider touching at all" and I was that town


So...great success?
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Lopen
06/18/19 9:56:42 PM
#161:


turbopuns3 posted...
It's literally decade old meta or something.


If I said I thought you were theoryclaiming miller to prove it can never be lynched would you take it back
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Obellisk
06/18/19 9:57:21 PM
#162:


benjamin3740 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Obellisk posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Oh, I know Ben is alluding to the great literary classic, Hansel and Gretel, by LAYING BREAD CRUMBS, but I stand by my question


Now that it's been a bit.
I can't help but not like that lone post of his.


Since he hasn't actually followed it up with the trademark Ben charm, or anything, it does feel kind of "hello I am technically present"

Hey hey, I'm just now in the process of reading the 3 pages we have so far. I'll talk more when I'm in the present!

Also, since we haven't played in a while I feel like I need to get this out now - im beyond college and working a job that keeps me pretty busy in the working ours of the weekday, so I can't be nearly as active as I used to be. I end up having to go to bed early now too ;0;

But yeah I've been lynched the last two games for lower activity than what people were used to but I've been town every time, so just letting you know


So this time when your activity is low and we want to lynch you you have a defense that will show you really are town, even though this Tim you rolled the scums?
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Luis_Sera89
06/18/19 9:57:47 PM
#163:


I think that warning about metaing the flavour was supposed to be specifically referring to the opening text featuring the 'Heir' and 'Actress' etc. Those titles aren't literally supposed to fit with the characters in the game.
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turbopuns3
06/18/19 9:58:42 PM
#164:


Lea3Lea posted...
So...great success?


Success at drawing a kill? I was literally alive in final 3???
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pezloco
06/18/19 9:58:51 PM
#165:


Obellisk posted...
Pez, I just think any meta at this point is foolish.


I guess I didn't do a good job of saying that's exactly my point. I was offering another plausible explanation that would draw the opposite conclusion. The point therefore being that meta is WIFOM.
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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 9:59:08 PM
#166:


Corrik7 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
5tarscream posted...
Tag. Lessons starting now. be back in a few hours


Unnecessary checking in post from new guy

According to Han, that makes him town.


I'm guessing there's a story behind that?

He said people that do unnecessary checking in are town because they could have just not done it and pointed to their own inactivity. I disagreed greatly with this line of thinking. The person was town however.


That one example aside, I do disagree with that. So many new scum players, or medium scum players, or veteran scum players, freeze up badly at the start of a game.
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benjamin3740
06/18/19 9:59:12 PM
#167:


Hbthebattle posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Ben, are you a mason?

It depends, are you offering to be my Mason buddy?

Maybe I am, you don't have Scare this game...

Maybe just neighbors. That ought to be simple and non-confusing.

Neighbors it is. But ones that can only talk during the day. And in the topic.

You're all my neighbors! <3
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turbopuns3
06/18/19 9:59:38 PM
#168:


Lopen posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
It's literally decade old meta or something.


If I said I thought you were theoryclaiming miller to prove it can never be lynched would you take it back


No
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Corrik7
06/18/19 9:59:56 PM
#169:


Obellisk posted...
Does anyone remember the game where we had three day one Miller claims.

I think maybe two were legit, one was scum.

It was a long time ago.

Wrestling Mafia. 4 tho. 2 real. 1 scum. 1 town faked.
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benjamin3740
06/18/19 10:01:17 PM
#170:


Hbthebattle posted...
One issue I do have with Puns's claim is that it seems to imply that the roles are authors, but my role (and the sample role) are characters with a book.

First to use his own role to make sense of the flavor. Hb is confirmed town. Classic

HB, WE'VE JUST BEEN UPGRADED TO MASONS BABY *high fives*
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Lopen
06/18/19 10:01:21 PM
#171:


Are you doing that though?
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Obellisk
06/18/19 10:01:36 PM
#172:


Corrik7 posted...
Obellisk posted...
Does anyone remember the game where we had three day one Miller claims.

I think maybe two were legit, one was scum.

It was a long time ago.

Wrestling Mafia. 4 tho. 2 real. 1 scum. 1 town faked.


Is that the game? I didn't think you were even around for that.
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turbopuns3
06/18/19 10:01:41 PM
#173:


Lopen posted...
Are you doing that though?


No
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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 10:03:07 PM
#174:


Lea3Lea posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
5tarscream posted...
Tag. Lessons starting now. be back in a few hours


Unnecessary checking in post from new guy

According to Han, that makes him town.


I'm guessing there's a story behind that?

He said people that do unnecessary checking in are town because they could have just not done it and pointed to their own inactivity. I disagreed greatly with this line of thinking. The person was town however.


That one example aside, I do disagree with that. So many new scum players, or medium scum players, or veteran scum players, freeze up badly at the start of a game.


To wit, Mzero asked a question to someone and didn't follow up which implies he didn't actually care about the answer, and isn't really commenting aside answering my question by not commenting on Puns. Like obviously there aren't many posts, but you can still have some thought on how Puns claimed beyond parroting the party line about judging on play not the claim.

##Unvote

##Vote: mzero

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Tom Bombadil
06/18/19 10:03:32 PM
#175:


I skimmed up until nowish but while I re-read more thoroughly it's time for discussion questions

1. Pezloco: who is scum
2. UltimaterializerX: if you had to policy lynch one name on this lynch with no info who would it be
3. Lea3Lea: hey welcome back nice name how's life now
4. Red13n: am I going to vote you day one for inactivity again
5. Benjamin: what should I know about you?
6. SBell (Obellisk): why would scum ever shoot a bg claim
7. Camarija: what should I know about you?
8. MZero: you gonna be more active this time?
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados): what do you think of corrik and ulti
10. 5tarscream: how you feeling about mafia in general?
11. Hbthebattle: what should I know about you?
12. Death (HtaeD): what should I have done with a guilty scan on me last game
13. Tom Bombadil: why did you sign up for this during mom visit+family reunion week
14. TheSultanOfSlam: what did you learn from hosting and observing?
15. Lopen: who would be a -EV policy lynch
16. turbopuns3: how psyched are you after last game
17. eaedwards: should I turn heel on pez and cohost UCA mafia with you y/n
18. Corrik: weren't you gonna quit maf?
19. Luis_Sera: why is mafia better than mercs
20. Lolo_Guru: what do you think Sultan is gonna play like
21. dowolf: do I get to nail you this game
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Corrik7
06/18/19 10:04:54 PM
#176:


Thanks Tom for a list of a bunch of questions, half of which don't pertain to this game of mafia. Seems like real Town behavior there.
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MZero11
06/18/19 10:04:58 PM
#177:


Corrik7 posted...
Obellisk posted...
Does anyone remember the game where we had three day one Miller claims.

I think maybe two were legit, one was scum.

It was a long time ago.

Wrestling Mafia. 4 tho. 2 real. 1 scum. 1 town faked.


I think it happened in Chrono Cross too. Me and Ulti were legit and I think pjbasis claimed miller too (shocking)
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benjamin3740
06/18/19 10:04:59 PM
#178:


Obellisk posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Obellisk posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Oh, I know Ben is alluding to the great literary classic, Hansel and Gretel, by LAYING BREAD CRUMBS, but I stand by my question


Now that it's been a bit.
I can't help but not like that lone post of his.


Since he hasn't actually followed it up with the trademark Ben charm, or anything, it does feel kind of "hello I am technically present"

Hey hey, I'm just now in the process of reading the 3 pages we have so far. I'll talk more when I'm in the present!

Also, since we haven't played in a while I feel like I need to get this out now - im beyond college and working a job that keeps me pretty busy in the working ours of the weekday, so I can't be nearly as active as I used to be. I end up having to go to bed early now too ;0;

But yeah I've been lynched the last two games for lower activity than what people were used to but I've been town every time, so just letting you know


So this time when your activity is low and we want to lynch you you have a defense that will show you really are town, even though this Tim you rolled the scums?

Sure, but since I'm town im gonna be using that exact same defense because I don't want to be lynched a third time in a row!
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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 10:05:20 PM
#179:


Life is fantastic but I feel a little cheated I'm the only one who doesn't get a mafia question
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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 10:05:48 PM
#180:


MZero11 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Obellisk posted...
Does anyone remember the game where we had three day one Miller claims.

I think maybe two were legit, one was scum.

It was a long time ago.

Wrestling Mafia. 4 tho. 2 real. 1 scum. 1 town faked.


I think it happened in Chrono Cross too. Me and Ulti were legit and I think pjbasis claimed miller too (shocking)


Irrelevant reminiscing
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pezloco
06/18/19 10:05:54 PM
#181:


Obellisk posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Obellisk posted...
Does anyone remember the game where we had three day one Miller claims.

I think maybe two were legit, one was scum.

It was a long time ago.

Wrestling Mafia. 4 tho. 2 real. 1 scum. 1 town faked.


Is that the game? I didn't think you were even around for that.


It might've happened more than once. I know more than one miller was a thing in AIMafia. But I think we stretched the meta more frequently there. I sincerely miss wacky games we had there.
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Lopen
06/18/19 10:06:41 PM
#182:


No Lynch is a -EV lynch so stop making that joke

##Unvote btw

(Probably Luis he has a good scum detector)
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Corrik7
06/18/19 10:06:49 PM
#183:


There are no Millers this game however so maybe we can just not waste time and lynch puns now.
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Lopen
06/18/19 10:07:36 PM
#184:


I just want to know the logic behind claiming miller day 1
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Obellisk
06/18/19 10:07:56 PM
#185:


Tom Bombadil posted...
6. SBell (Obellisk): why would scum ever shoot a bg claim


I assumed BP meant weak protection. I assumed bg wouldn't exist. I wanted to claim a role that wouldn't out town. I thought maybe scum would just shoot me to get rid of the possible protection. It failed. Then again so did our host. Thems the breaks.
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benjamin3740
06/18/19 10:08:37 PM
#186:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I skimmed up until nowish but while I re-read more thoroughly it's time for discussion questions

1. Pezloco: who is scum
2. UltimaterializerX: if you had to policy lynch one name on this lynch with no info who would it be
3. Lea3Lea: hey welcome back nice name how's life now
4. Red13n: am I going to vote you day one for inactivity again
5. Benjamin: what should I know about you?
6. SBell (Obellisk): why would scum ever shoot a bg claim
7. Camarija: what should I know about you?
8. MZero: you gonna be more active this time?
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados): what do you think of corrik and ulti
10. 5tarscream: how you feeling about mafia in general?
11. Hbthebattle: what should I know about you?
12. Death (HtaeD): what should I have done with a guilty scan on me last game
13. Tom Bombadil: why did you sign up for this during mom visit+family reunion week
14. TheSultanOfSlam: what did you learn from hosting and observing?
15. Lopen: who would be a -EV policy lynch
16. turbopuns3: how psyched are you after last game
17. eaedwards: should I turn heel on pez and cohost UCA mafia with you y/n
18. Corrik: weren't you gonna quit maf?
19. Luis_Sera: why is mafia better than mercs
20. Lolo_Guru: what do you think Sultan is gonna play like
21. dowolf: do I get to nail you this game

Why'd you feel the need to ask EVERYONE a question?

And im not really sure what kind of answer you want from me. Im not new to mafia if that's what you're interested in
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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 10:08:40 PM
#187:


Lopen posted...
I just want to know the logic behind claiming miller day 1


Puns did sort of answer when I pressed him on this. What did you think of his response?
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dowolf
06/18/19 10:09:17 PM
#188:


busy. will hopefully post more from phone tomorrow. but will be from phone so mixed bag???

anywho i refuse to vote for roommate before we are actually roommates this ruins the whole point.

Tom Bombadil posted...

21. dowolf: do I get to nail you this game

i claim tails doll.
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turbopuns3
06/18/19 10:09:37 PM
#189:


Corrik7 posted...
There are no Millers this game however so maybe we can just not waste time and lynch puns now.


Ok town read diminishing

What the fuck are you on about
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MZero11
06/18/19 10:10:04 PM
#191:


Lea3Lea posted...
To wit, Mzero asked a question to someone and didn't follow up which implies he didn't actually care about the answer, and isn't really commenting aside answering my question by not commenting on Puns. Like obviously there aren't many posts, but you can still have some thought on how Puns claimed beyond parroting the party line about judging on play not the claim.


I mean, there wasn't really anything to follow up with. Ulti admitted it wasn't the best idea. I'm not going to beat the dead horse over it

I had no issue with Puns' claim
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Corrik7
06/18/19 10:10:37 PM
#192:


turbopuns3 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
There are no Millers this game however so maybe we can just not waste time and lynch puns now.


Ok town read diminishing

What the fuck are you on about

You lying about your role? If you are town, you need to fess up because you will be lynched today otherwise. You are not miller and I know this as a fact.
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Lea3Lea
06/18/19 10:11:44 PM
#193:


MZero11 posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
To wit, Mzero asked a question to someone and didn't follow up which implies he didn't actually care about the answer, and isn't really commenting aside answering my question by not commenting on Puns. Like obviously there aren't many posts, but you can still have some thought on how Puns claimed beyond parroting the party line about judging on play not the claim.


I mean, there wasn't really anything to follow up with. Ulti admitted it wasn't the best idea. I'm not going to beat the dead horse over it

I had no issue with Puns' claim


Then what was the point of asking?

You don't have an issue with the way he claimed because _______ ?
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pezloco
06/18/19 10:11:57 PM
#194:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I skimmed up until nowish but while I re-read more thoroughly it's time for discussion questions

1. Pezloco: who is scum
- - It's day 1. I'm withholding judgment on a lot of players. But I have a good town feeling about one player in particular. I'll say more D2 if it's necessary at that point.

13. Tom Bombadil: why did you sign up for this during mom visit+family reunion week
- - This is my fault. I'd say I'm sorry, but that wouldn't be true. I'm smiling too much. Yay roommate mafia.

17. eaedwards: should I turn heel on pez and cohost UCA mafia with you y/n
- - I will be upset and hurt. Maybe get Dr Kane to chokeslam you when I come visit in a month?

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Lopen
06/18/19 10:11:59 PM
#195:


Gonna be honest I don't quite follow the logic of why breadcrumbing power making scum less likely to shoot you makes claiming miller a good idea

At least I think that's what he said
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dowolf
06/18/19 10:12:44 PM
#196:


turbopuns3 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
There are no Millers this game however so maybe we can just not waste time and lynch puns now.


Ok town read diminishing

What the fuck are you on about

to be fair haven't played with Corrik in a while but this 100% seems like Corrik.
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turbopuns3
06/18/19 10:13:01 PM
#197:


Corrik7 posted...
You lying about your role? If you are town, you need to fess up because you will be lynched today otherwise. You are not miller and I know this as a fact.


...

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benjamin3740
06/18/19 10:13:04 PM
#198:


Corrik7 posted...
There are no Millers this game however so maybe we can just not waste time and lynch puns now.

So do you think he's scum if he's lying?
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Tom Bombadil
06/18/19 10:14:15 PM
#199:


UltimaterializerX posted...
You, of all people, know that millers dont suck here given theyre practically confirmed town.


this is a decent point

Lopen posted...
+EV pro day 1 stratz


ngl my plan was to come here and policy lynch ulti (after ye olde NL vote) but then you were actually in this game and eh we probably don't need two of those and you're already off it anyway

UltimaterializerX posted...
So if youre actually serious about policy lynching for no tangible in-game reason (I can link to the postgame admission from last game as proof) let me know and Ill stop caring. No point being active if I literally just get auto lynched no matter what.


this is kinda early to be this whiny about it though

UltimaterializerX posted...
I do owe him a blowjob. Not even gonna front. Last time was 99% me being a dick and him 1% just responding because I vomited personal issues at him. Not proud of it and Id love a chance to show I am not the same guy but what can you do.


THE FACE TURN~~~

pezloco posted...
vote: No lynch


hey han this vote got missed I think I need it for my sneak NL rush

pezloco posted...
Did you really just say you're going to do the bare minimum? We had such a productive D1 last game. Let's do it again.


he posted more after this! I was about to jump him for that post too but (fake edit: oh you caught that later the same post)

UltimaterializerX posted...
I dont believe for one second Town Lopen makes such a ridiculous play.


I don't think you really understand his reasoning (or care)

seven quote blocks is the limit right
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Corrik7
06/18/19 10:15:17 PM
#200:


benjamin3740 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
There are no Millers this game however so maybe we can just not waste time and lynch puns now.

So do you think he's scum if he's lying?

It is irrelevant. He is lying. It has been outted he is lying. He needs to actually claim now, and it can be assessed from there. You don't get to fake claim to the game and get away without claiming. By policy, he is to be lynched if he doesn't reclaim his actual role and I expect much support with votes regarding this.

As scum or town, he dies today without claiming his actual role. He doesn't get away with that fake claim today.
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