Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 1: Once Upon a Time

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Does it seem to anyone else like Ulti is kind of operating under a "knowing Chris is town" kind of attitude or am I reading too much into that

I think Ulti just likes me.
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MZero11 posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

yeah that chris response felt off but I also don't like how quickly he got votes

kind of agree but also would scum but extend that far this early against literal Chris? Seems suicidal

Are we talking about me or Chris? Or but?
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I thought Ulti liked me too and then he voted me. Imagine the hurt I felt.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

pezloco posted...

You know provided they don't have ALL the powers at once.

stop making me google that one jack o'neill pic

Never! It's a great pic/gif
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Lopen posted...

Vote: Carmarija

Lea said I was funny and well...

You're a Basham.

Sorry.

Apology accepted in advance good sir :)

Lopen posted...

Do I actually need those ##s or what)

ye
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pezloco posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

pezloco posted...

You know provided they don't have ALL the powers at once.

stop making me google that one jack o'neill pic

Never! It's a great pic/gif

Also I lost the game.
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Lopen posted...

##Vote: Carmarija

(Do I actually need those ##s or what)

I believe so

Also when changing votes, remember to ##unvote with appropriate bolded options

Cheers

I have no idea who Camarija is but I like their style.
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Votals (as of post #350)

(3) Sir Chris: Tom, Ben, puns
(2) Ben: Chris, Corrik
(1) No Lynch: pezloco, (Tom), (Lopen)
(1) MZero: Lea
(1) Ulti: (Lopen), Hb
(1) Lopen: Ulti
(1) Lea: Cam
(1) Cam: Lopen
(0) Puns: (Lea), (Corrik), (Ulti)

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I won't ever apologize to you unless Lea flips as SCUM Danny Basham. Or possibly Doug Basham.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Chris is having some memories of really "slow starts" that then unfolded into better games starting day 2.

What is this referring to.

Tom is town having an adventure, Ben is scum, Puns is town trying to find his way to a temple in a snowy storm, the shadows of my legacy his only refuge from the blistering cold winds that assault his mind.

Corrik although a bit weary as the hand of fate has been unkind to him, chooses boldness over cowardice in his pursuit of the outcast Ben.

The others look on, hoping that their stances would be heard before the greater township when the storm passed and they were all gathered into the square. All but one, of course.
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turbopuns3 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Chris is having some memories of really "slow starts" that then unfolded into better games starting day 2.

What is this referring to.

I just remember vividly reading games of yours where your day 1 play was less than stellar and then suddenly you came alive.
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Let's put the game in front of us:

Playerlist (21 alive)
1. Pezloco - haven't read
2. UltimaterializerX - haven't read
3. Lea3Lea - Not Mafia with MKZero// Feels self-aware // Uncertain
4. Red13n - haven't read
5. Benjamin - Engaging, looking for answers rather than stirring the port // Town
6. SBell (Obellisk) - haven't read
7. Camarija - Town Opera Singer
8. MZero - Not Mafia with Lea3Lea// accused of post fluff// Lean Town
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados) - Town
10. 5tarscream - haven't read
11. Hbthebattle - haven't read
12. Death (HtaeD) - haven't read
13. Tom Bombadil - haven't read
14. TheSultanOfSlam - haven't read
15. Lopen - Dirty read but feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff
16. turbopuns3 - Probably a Town Gambit opener
17. eaedwards - haven't read
18. Corrik - Probably Town if my tinfoil is correct
19. Luis_Sera - haven't read
20. Lolo_Guru - haven't read
21. dowolf - haven't read

Lopen posted...

I won't ever apologize to you unless Lea flips as SCUM Danny Basham. Or possibly Doug Basham.

plot twist: danny neikirk (why yes I did have a quick review on wikipedia)
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I kinda thought someone would try to leap on the Mzero bandwagon, but not a single nibble thus far. How notable

benjamin3740 posted...

Question seems irrelevant. Do you think Chris' reason for liking Tom is not enough?

I don't like "Scum ____ wouldn't do this" arguments because that's exactly why they would do it

In other words it's WIFOM
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MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Question seems irrelevant. Do you think Chris' reason for liking Tom is not enough?

I don't like "Scum ____ wouldn't do this" arguments because that's exactly why they would do it

In other words it's WIFOM

Incorrect, by the way.

Tom is not a good enough player to attempt WIFOM with me as an opponent. Source: Knowing Tom for over a decade.
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Does anyone really have good day 1 play? I mean... really. Aren't they always 46 hours of buffoonery followed by 2 hours of running around with heads cut off and scrambling onto a lynch?

And Tom I'll have you know I knew Danny was the Damaja without the help of wikipedia. That's how strong my references are.
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rude
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Puns is so town. Scum Puns ain't jumping on a Chris train day one.

Also a literal Chris train, what year is this?

Why do you think Chris is Town?

When did I say Chris was town?

turbopuns3 posted...

Ulti for the record

I would a absolutely jump at the opportunity to bus Chris if we were scum together

Nothing at all holding me back from that

I don't honestly believe this. Also your vote on him makes me think you're town and you're.... telling me not to think you're town? Huh?

Lea3Lea posted...

Does it seem to anyone else like Ulti is kind of operating under a "knowing Chris is town" kind of attitude or am I reading too much into that

I never said Chris was town and this post here reeks of perspective slip. I said Puns is town because Scum Puns doesn't jump on that train. At no point did I say Chris is town.

You scum there broette?

You don't say it, but it seemed implied since I don't know why you would think Scum Pun wouldn't vote a Scum Chris. I mean obviously Chris is going to say a Scum Tom would never vote a Town Chris, but it's a weird argument for someone who's not Chris to make.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I have no idea who Camarija is but I like their style.

Likewise Old Chap!

When the time comes I'd like to unite votes

Camarija posted...

feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff

What? I'm a seasoned veteran I should know better than to ask.
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*derek neikirk, who replaced one of 'em when they were wearing masks under heyman
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pezloco posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

I learned my lesson when I got heat last game for too many ****posts
and ignored it this game to make just as many jokes

IMO, you're making the same amount of jokes, but you're less fluffy. In particular your posts are more carefree. This means that the content you're giving is more genuine. You're way less hesitant so far compared to last game.

How good are you at reading Tommy boy? I picked up in the end of last game and this one that you used to be roommates, so I'm inclined to feel pretty good about Tom reading this
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Tom Bombadil posted...

pezloco posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

I learned my lesson when I got heat last game for too many ****posts
and ignored it this game to make just as many jokes

IMO, you're making the same amount of jokes, but you're less fluffy. In particular your posts are more carefree. This means that the content you're giving is more genuine. You're way less hesitant so far compared to last game.

see I thought I was really doing a good job of faking all of that last game so I don't see a ton of difference in my own play

but I guess if we knew and could fake our own tells we'd all be better players

Go reread my D1 stuff on you last game if you're curious about what I see differently. You were making the same types of post but they had a different level of thought in them. And it was something I could see in your phrasing maybe? You feel much more normal this game so far. Plus I think Chris' read about your vote is spot on too. I only see you voting Chris if you're both scum and he told you to.

Or, because it's going to be my theme, I could see you doing it as SK to pocket Chris. :)
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Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.
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Lea3Lea posted...

I kinda thought someone would try to leap on the Mzero bandwagon, but not a single nibble thus far. How notable

It is notable that scum used this same argument last game!
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Lopen posted...

Camarija posted...

feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff

What? I'm a seasoned veteran I should know better than to ask.

With respect, seasoned veteran

I feel that a Mafia may just as easily ask in private mafia chat

And with your admitted season veteran status, none of the regulars would buy your feigned ignorance

I believe that you legitimately did not know how the voting works

I'm one of the only players who therefore wouldn't know about you or your status, and able to give you this dirty read

It's flimsy, but it's something

Lopen posted...

Does anyone really have good day 1 play? I mean... really. Aren't they always 46 hours of buffoonery followed by 2 hours of running around with heads cut off and scrambling onto a lynch?

And Tom I'll have you know I knew Danny was the Damaja without the help of wikipedia. That's how strong my references are.

Ehh, varying degrees, but largely correct. Your best bet in general is to force interactions and force reactions based off of those to get large data samplings. Less "Look at me" and more "leave a legacy to dig through."
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Tom you should pick a fight with Gyarados I think you'll win this one. Throw enough jokes at him, call him Shaniqua, and he'll crumple like a house of cards.
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MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Question seems irrelevant. Do you think Chris' reason for liking Tom is not enough?

I don't like "Scum ____ wouldn't do this" arguments because that's exactly why they would do it

In other words it's WIFOM

But do you think its not enough FOR CHRIS? Chris said he thinks Tom is town lock for ___ reason. Instead of telling Chris you think his read is wrong and that it's WIFOM you tried to insert info you thought would make Chris doubt Tom? At least, that's the only reason I can see why you would ask the question you did. It's not like you genuinely wanted insight from Chris and his thoughts on the posts since you already knew he thought Tom was town and for reasons you say here are just WIFOM and wrong
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MZero11 posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

I kinda thought someone would try to leap on the Mzero bandwagon, but not a single nibble thus far. How notable

It is notable that scum used this same argument last game!

Are you calling me scum, dear Mzero, or merely hoping someone else will do it for you?

Lopen probably scum because he has way too much fun being the villain for him not to be scum lol
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I actually hate drawing scum in mafia on b8, contrary to belief.

Seems like easy mode.

Serial Killer or Usurper, however, sign me up.
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Camarija posted...

Let's put the game in front of us:

Playerlist (21 alive)
1. Pezloco - haven't read
2. UltimaterializerX - haven't read
3. Lea3Lea - Not Mafia with MKZero// Feels self-aware // Uncertain
4. Red13n - haven't read
5. Benjamin - Engaging, looking for answers rather than stirring the port // Town
6. SBell (Obellisk) - haven't read
7. Camarija - Town Opera Singer
8. MZero - Not Mafia with Lea3Lea// accused of post fluff// Lean Town
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados) - Town
10. 5tarscream - haven't read
11. Hbthebattle - haven't read
12. Death (HtaeD) - haven't read
13. Tom Bombadil - haven't read
14. TheSultanOfSlam - haven't read
15. Lopen - Dirty read but feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff
16. turbopuns3 - Probably a Town Gambit opener
17. eaedwards - haven't read
18. Corrik - Probably Town if my tinfoil is correct
19. Luis_Sera - haven't read
20. Lolo_Guru - haven't read
21. dowolf - haven't read

Cam, I notice you're falling into the trap of calling everyone active town, but that's not always a good judge.
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Camarija posted...

Lopen posted...

Camarija posted...

feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff

What? I'm a seasoned veteran I should know better than to ask.

With respect, seasoned veteran

I feel that a Mafia may just as easily ask in private mafia chat

And with your admitted season veteran status, none of the regulars would buy your feigned ignorance

I believe that you legitimately did not know how the voting works

I'm one of the only players who therefore wouldn't know about you or your status, and able to give you this dirty read

It's flimsy, but it's something

I also believe this

benjamin3740 posted...

pezloco posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

I learned my lesson when I got heat last game for too many ****posts
and ignored it this game to make just as many jokes

IMO, you're making the same amount of jokes, but you're less fluffy. In particular your posts are more carefree. This means that the content you're giving is more genuine. You're way less hesitant so far compared to last game.

How good are you at reading Tommy boy? I picked up in the end of last game and this one that you used to be roommates, so I'm inclined to feel pretty good about Tom reading this

Who wants to answer this?
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Goddammit I know how the voting works I'm a legend of the squared circle. More legendary than both bashams and shaniqua combined. I ruled a universe!
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pezloco posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

pezloco posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

I learned my lesson when I got heat last game for too many ****posts
and ignored it this game to make just as many jokes

IMO, you're making the same amount of jokes, but you're less fluffy. In particular your posts are more carefree. This means that the content you're giving is more genuine. You're way less hesitant so far compared to last game.

How good are you at reading Tommy boy? I picked up in the end of last game and this one that you used to be roommates, so I'm inclined to feel pretty good about Tom reading this

Who wants to answer this?

He's Tom bestest bud forever.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

Hint: My own range must be larger than you currently think it is!
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Lopen posted...

Goddammit I know how the voting works I'm a legend of the squared circle. More legendary than both bashams and shaniqua combined. I ruled a universe!

I ruled a universe. As Ba'al.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Camarija posted...

Let's put the game in front of us:

Playerlist (21 alive)
1. Pezloco - haven't read
2. UltimaterializerX - haven't read
3. Lea3Lea - Not Mafia with MKZero// Feels self-aware // Uncertain
4. Red13n - haven't read
5. Benjamin - Engaging, looking for answers rather than stirring the port // Town
6. SBell (Obellisk) - haven't read
7. Camarija - Town Opera Singer
8. MZero - Not Mafia with Lea3Lea// accused of post fluff// Lean Town
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados) - Town
10. 5tarscream - haven't read
11. Hbthebattle - haven't read
12. Death (HtaeD) - haven't read
13. Tom Bombadil - haven't read
14. TheSultanOfSlam - haven't read
15. Lopen - Dirty read but feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff
16. turbopuns3 - Probably a Town Gambit opener
17. eaedwards - haven't read
18. Corrik - Probably Town if my tinfoil is correct
19. Luis_Sera - haven't read
20. Lolo_Guru - haven't read
21. dowolf - haven't read

Cam, I notice you're falling into the trap of calling everyone active town, but that's not always a good judge.

I don't disagree

I'm using the post count parameter this game

I feel there are many players who may yet fit into the Mafia shaped boxes, but I'll do what I can with what I have

Logically, I'll have more Town reads than Mafia reads because there are naturally more Town than Mafia so that may also play into it

Right now I'm just trying to get my bearings to figure out some sort of Town Core

In your experience, do you believe Mafia normally post more early?