Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 1: Once Upon a Time

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@Corrik7

Is chris scum? Or is chris super scum?

benjamin3740 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

Hint: My own range must be larger than you currently think it is!

No? You could in theory still be town under the parameters I have laid out, I just don't think it is the most likely course at the moment given what I've seen. You don't understand ranges.
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Oh hell i am not going to have fun reading through 400 posts.

Leafeon13N posted...

Oh hell i am not going to have fun reading through 400 posts.

Hi red it is important that we connect early

I look forward to your analysis

Just skip em then. It's 2 hours into day 1 do you really think it'll have useful information?
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benjamin3740 posted...

MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Question seems irrelevant. Do you think Chris' reason for liking Tom is not enough?

I don't like "Scum ____ wouldn't do this" arguments because that's exactly why they would do it

In other words it's WIFOM

But do you think its not enough FOR CHRIS? Chris said he thinks Tom is town lock for ___ reason. Instead of telling Chris you think his read is wrong and that it's WIFOM you tried to insert info you thought would make Chris doubt Tom? At least, that's the only reason I can see why you would ask the question you did. It's not like you genuinely wanted insight from Chris and his thoughts on the posts since you already knew he thought Tom was town and for reasons you say here are just WIFOM and wrong

I never said it was wrong. and I think Chris is capable of having more than one reason for his read
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Camarija posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Camarija posted...

Let's put the game in front of us:

Playerlist (21 alive)
1. Pezloco - haven't read
2. UltimaterializerX - haven't read
3. Lea3Lea - Not Mafia with MKZero// Feels self-aware // Uncertain
4. Red13n - haven't read
5. Benjamin - Engaging, looking for answers rather than stirring the port // Town
6. SBell (Obellisk) - haven't read
7. Camarija - Town Opera Singer
8. MZero - Not Mafia with Lea3Lea// accused of post fluff// Lean Town
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados) - Town
10. 5tarscream - haven't read
11. Hbthebattle - haven't read
12. Death (HtaeD) - haven't read
13. Tom Bombadil - haven't read
14. TheSultanOfSlam - haven't read
15. Lopen - Dirty read but feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff
16. turbopuns3 - Probably a Town Gambit opener
17. eaedwards - haven't read
18. Corrik - Probably Town if my tinfoil is correct
19. Luis_Sera - haven't read
20. Lolo_Guru - haven't read
21. dowolf - haven't read

Cam, I notice you're falling into the trap of calling everyone active town, but that's not always a good judge.

I don't disagree

I'm using the post count parameter this game

I feel there are many players who may yet fit into the Mafia shaped boxes, but I'll do what I can with what I have

Logically, I'll have more Town reads than Mafia reads because there are naturally more Town than Mafia so that may also play into it

Right now I'm just trying to get my bearings to figure out some sort of Town Core

In your experience, do you believe Mafia normally post more early?

Mafia who are naturally active players generally make efforts to be active early on, yes. Players who are less naturally active tend to post less when scum and only become more active when poked.
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Votals (as of post #406)

(3) Sir Chris: Tom, Ben, puns
(2) Ben: Chris, Corrik
(1) No Lynch: pezloco, (Tom), (Lopen)
(1) MZero: Lea
(1) Ulti: (Lopen), Hb
(1) Lopen: Ulti
(1) Lea: Cam
(1) Cam: Lopen
(0) Puns: (Lea), (Corrik), (Ulti)

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

You missed one element there. While you might know someone's range. They don't always know they're own range. I was serious when I said I could see a SK Tom come at you that way. I think it's not probable. But I think it could happen.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Oh hell i am not going to have fun reading through 400 posts.

Hi red it is important that we connect early

I look forward to your analysis

At this rate its going to be like 800 before i get off of work.

Lea3Lea posted...

MZero11 posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

I kinda thought someone would try to leap on the Mzero bandwagon, but not a single nibble thus far. How notable

It is notable that scum used this same argument last game!

Are you calling me scum, dear Mzero, or merely hoping someone else will do it for you?

No cause Town Han entertained that logic as well

Just saying it's notable!
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Lopen posted...

Just skip em then. It's 2 hours into day 1 do you really think it'll have useful information?

##Unvote
##Vote: Lopen
Don't encourage players to overlook information.
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Why are we hunting SK.

Lopen posted...

Tom you should pick a fight with Gyarados I think you'll win this one. Throw enough jokes at him, call him Shaniqua, and he'll crumple like a house of cards.

yeah I got this he's goin down the only thing I'm better at than mercs is yellin' at people

oh hey we're doing the roommates thing early this time

I kinda feel like Ben is reaching but I am also just tempted to sheep chris for old times' sake
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I encouraged him to overlook fluff. You can't scare me with your vote, mom.
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pezloco posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

You missed one element there. While you might know someone's range. They don't always know they're own range. I was serious when I said I could see a SK Tom come at you that way. I think it's not probable. But I think it could happen.

Third party range is its own thing and not enough data points will ever be gathered to reliably know it. I do think we can agree Tom knows enough to know "oh god don't want to mess with Chris."
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MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Question seems irrelevant. Do you think Chris' reason for liking Tom is not enough?

I don't like "Scum ____ wouldn't do this" arguments because that's exactly why they would do it

In other words it's WIFOM

But do you think its not enough FOR CHRIS? Chris said he thinks Tom is town lock for ___ reason. Instead of telling Chris you think his read is wrong and that it's WIFOM you tried to insert info you thought would make Chris doubt Tom? At least, that's the only reason I can see why you would ask the question you did. It's not like you genuinely wanted insight from Chris and his thoughts on the posts since you already knew he thought Tom was town and for reasons you say here are just WIFOM and wrong

I never said it was wrong. and I think Chris is capable of having more than one reason for his read

Why'd you ask Chris for his thoughts on other Tom posts though?
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Lopen posted...

I encouraged him to overlook fluff. You can't scare me with your vote, mom.

Who says everything there is fluff?
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My range is roughly five mafia metres

Hbthebattle posted...

Camarija posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Camarija posted...

Let's put the game in front of us:

Playerlist (21 alive)
1. Pezloco - haven't read
2. UltimaterializerX - haven't read
3. Lea3Lea - Not Mafia with MKZero// Feels self-aware // Uncertain
4. Red13n - haven't read
5. Benjamin - Engaging, looking for answers rather than stirring the port // Town
6. SBell (Obellisk) - haven't read
7. Camarija - Town Opera Singer
8. MZero - Not Mafia with Lea3Lea// accused of post fluff// Lean Town
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados) - Town
10. 5tarscream - haven't read
11. Hbthebattle - haven't read
12. Death (HtaeD) - haven't read
13. Tom Bombadil - haven't read
14. TheSultanOfSlam - haven't read
15. Lopen - Dirty read but feels Town due to asking about the voting stuff
16. turbopuns3 - Probably a Town Gambit opener
17. eaedwards - haven't read
18. Corrik - Probably Town if my tinfoil is correct
19. Luis_Sera - haven't read
20. Lolo_Guru - haven't read
21. dowolf - haven't read

Cam, I notice you're falling into the trap of calling everyone active town, but that's not always a good judge.

I don't disagree

I'm using the post count parameter this game

I feel there are many players who may yet fit into the Mafia shaped boxes, but I'll do what I can with what I have

Logically, I'll have more Town reads than Mafia reads because there are naturally more Town than Mafia so that may also play into it

Right now I'm just trying to get my bearings to figure out some sort of Town Core

In your experience, do you believe Mafia normally post more early?

Mafia who are naturally active players generally make efforts to be active early on, yes. Players who are less naturally active tend to post less when scum and only become more active when poked.

Agreed!

In any event, thanks for the heads up

I'll try not to lean too heavily on alignments via activity / post count

Focusing on the devil in details instead etc.

Looking forward to poking the bears!

Leafeon13N posted...

Why are we hunting SK.

Best post is best

I think it was 93% fluff. If you were really pro-town you'd pull out the 7% of good posts and post them here for red to read to save him some time.
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Pez has a pet SK theory based off meta and he wanted to apply it. I would say we're not really hunting SK
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

What is everyone's range
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benjamin3740 posted...

MZero11 posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

yeah that chris response felt off but I also don't like how quickly he got votes

kind of agree but also would scum but extend that far this early against literal Chris? Seems suicidal

Are we talking about me or Chris? Or but?

I mean the speed at which Chris got votes made me uneasy but also not sure it's the work of scum because it's a bit bold to go after Chris with this much time to make them look like fools
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Really a spooky train. If eight more people vote Chris, he'll die! We're going a mile a minute here

Leafeon13N posted...

At this rate its going to be like 800 before i get off of work.

Nonetheless

two town and one scum, easy solve tbh.

Corrik7 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

What is everyone's range

Not going to bother going in depth on that tonight.
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Well fudge monkey 8 pages i did a skim will do more of a true read tomorrow.

So far the miller claim doesnt sit that well with me exsphally being like i believe it was hb said it clearly states in the sample role pms as well as my role pm they are characters not authors. But the metta aside i dont like puns thus far seems like a very frantic puns more so then the laid back puns id exspect from my former neighbor.

Also Tom isnt nessisarily sitting the best with me but its more or so a hunch.

Looking town id say so far i like what ive seen out of Cam and chris but will get a better look later.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I ruled a universe. As Ba'al.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L6i5AwVAbs" data-time="

we mentioned SK like once don't worry (although I do enjoy the general concept of SK)
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turbopuns3 posted...

@Corrik7

Is chris scum? Or is chris super scum?

Strongest town read I have in the game after you and I. Will follow him off a cliff this game.
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Use this topic at 450 posts:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77801500

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Pez has a pet SK theory based off meta and he wanted to apply it. I would say we're not really hunting SK

That...sounds suspiciously like hunting SK to me.

Also i dont want to or have time to read through right now, has puns taken back that millier claim yet!

##Unvote

##Vote: Ben

You know hbthebattle

You took a lot of offense to me saying skip the first few pages

Pick out a few posts you thought were meaty from the first 400 posts. Like you clearly saw something there that was very worth getting some input on, right?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

Hint: My own range must be larger than you currently think it is!

No? You could in theory still be town under the parameters I have laid out, I just don't think it is the most likely course at the moment given what I've seen. You don't understand ranges.

If you think I can make jokes about the OFFICIAL BOOK OF CONFIRMED TOWN as town, and also make a post warning about my future lack of activity when I'm town, then why call me scum at all?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Lopen posted...

Just skip em then. It's 2 hours into day 1 do you really think it'll have useful information?

Okay this dude really is scum. Openly admits to anti-town behavior with his terrible reason for voting me, and now openly tells people skipping posts is okay. That is just bad play.

Nah in 435 he is clearly trapping HB with a relaxed stance that if you look closely has no holes in it to exploit. Truly high level town play from the ever dangerous Lopen.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Lopen posted...

Just skip em then. It's 2 hours into day 1 do you really think it'll have useful information?

Okay this dude really is scum. Openly admits to anti-town behavior with his terrible reason for voting me, and now openly tells people skipping posts is okay. That is just bad play.

It is bad play, but I am sure he is being facetious.
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read (clap emoji) the (clap emoji) game (clap emoji)

which reminds me I am gonna be at a family reunion fri-sun and probably behind on the game the whole time!!
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UltimaterializerX posted...

now openly tells people skipping posts is okay

You too. Pick out some important must not skip posts from the first 400. Prove to me that you're not just trying to start a dumb train off of "bad etiquette"
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Leafeon13N posted...

Why are we hunting SK.

Because!

But on a serious note, in my experience board mafia ignores third party possibilities too much. So, if I can say it enough times then hopefully it'll stick in people's minds and they'll use it in their reasoning for the rest of the game, instead of unknowingly (sometimes knowingly) assuming it can't happen.
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Lea3Lea posted...

##Unvote

##Vote: Ben

What a shame
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benjamin3740 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically every player has their limitations. It is called a "range" - and if you know a player well enough you know their range. My range, for example, is disgustingly largely and that's what makes me difficult to contend with and to really "know." Tom on the other hand can never, ever, win a prolonged in topic argument with me. Now look at Tom's further reaction to my proclamation of he is town? Annoyance. I give him a chance to take his early game gambit and go packing but instead of redoubles his effort. This is always a losing contest for a scum Tom because the more direct interactions you give me as a player the more deadly and precise I become, thus my play improving dramatically as the game goes along. Scum Tom really would never choose to speed along my learning curve in a game with him by pressing the issue.

So no, not subject to WIFOM.

Hint: My own range must be larger than you currently think it is!

No? You could in theory still be town under the parameters I have laid out, I just don't think it is the most likely course at the moment given what I've seen. You don't understand ranges.

If you think I can make jokes about the OFFICIAL BOOK OF CONFIRMED TOWN as town, and also make a post warning about my future lack of activity when I'm town, then why call me scum at all?

Let's say a town range is the numbers 1-80 and the scum range is 60-100

81-100 is always scum
1-59 is always town

60-80 is where things get more interesting. I would say right now I have you in the low 70s on that scale, which means you are approaching but not precisely never town territory.

Simple.
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Tom do you have any roommate power reads right now my trust in pez has been immediately tested.

is third party even a thing that happens these days though

then again I get the vibe that this is gonna be one of those "**** your meta" setups
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benjamin3740 posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Unvote

Vote: Ben

What a shame

What do you think my motives are here?

Tom Bombadil posted...

is third party even a thing that happens these days though

then again I get the vibe that this is gonna be one of those "**** your meta" setups

If you got that vibe, why did you believe the miller claim?
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Oh god (pun intended (pun intended)) chris and corrik are both scum.