Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 8: Dedicated to Delseban Part II: The Musical

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5tarscream posted...

I dont think Cam and Corrik arent aligned because not even Corrik would be this rude to a teammate just to throw of the scent.

Corrik-Cam spat isn't in the top 50 of all time fake scum arguments. Do better. Spiral and Sbell would sit there and plan their fake arguments out on the scum board prior to the game starting.

I attacked MenuWars, our roleblocker, for the entire 48 hour period of day 1 until Menu was about to ragequit because he was so pissed off I was gonna get him lynched and nearly did.

Don't think Cam's exaggerated reaction is someone actually being rude to him or anywhere near a not possible scum-scum ploy. That would be a hella weak fake argument. Which speaks to how silly the actual argument is in the first place.
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5tarscream posted...

Maybe reds role is better than mzeros to scum?

Again. No. This is a bad argument.

I mean, it is likely from a town perspective and you are likely town. But, this argument doesn't make sense. Think about it.
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I think it is unlikely Tom and pez are scum together.
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That sounds about appropriate given how Pez felt about you in return last game.
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Cam asked me to consider Luis when I was King

Dude is just town
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Corrik7 posted...

I think it is unlikely Tom and pez are scum together.

Those two would be unbeatable I imagine.
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Pairs? Uh...

Lea/Corrik: Mostly just metaing Luis's final post, here.

Red/Corrik/Lea/Ulti is probably my top 4. Mostly gut at this point. Ulti I think I alluded to yesterday . Lea is almost entirely gut plus Luis's final post. I have no idea what is triggering that gut, but it's there.

Though I would also like to note that I don't feel nearly as confident in Cam being town as the rest of you. Compounding lots of information is not that hard to do as scum >_>

Honestly Tom and Pez scum together wouldn't surprise me. It feels like there's some deliberate avoidance going on there, for some reason.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Chris vote Lopen

ScareChan posted...

I bend the knee for no one

Also all this confirms is that dowolf/ chris is not scum together

I know, buddy. I know. We were on the same page. And they killed you for it. Cuz... Dowolf seemed to want Chris to shoot scare as seen by...

dowolf posted...

man no one falls for my traps i need to get better at trap game.

whatever. Scare seriously needs to stop sucking this pattern of someone attacking me for exactly these reasons has literally not happened in exactly one game that i've played in the past couple years and it was because I was scum and knew what people "wanted" from "town wolf" and just gave them that.

anyways I have the conch!: Chris have fun.

ScareChan posted...

Giving it to chris was the only way he was for sure not getting lynched

Chris is basically giving him a pass for giving him the power, thats not as certain with anyone else

Lopen posted...

I suggest force claims on everyone who contributed to the initial dowolf chaos wagon

So

Scare
Ben
Cam
red13n
Lea (no free pass)

Also SBell for good measure just because.

Bad post.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I want everyone to come up with... three unaligned pairs

I don't see the cam red or cam corrik things as uh "wolf theater"

Two low hanging fruit is all I can give you before the coffee kicks in (and I'll be leaving about the time it does)
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Cam asked me to consider Luis when I was King

Dude is just town

Did he? Hmm. that's pretty good for him yeah.
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Corrik7 posted...

I know, buddy. I know. We were on the same page. And they killed you for it. Cuz... Dowolf seemed to want Chris to shoot scare as seen by...

what? i specifically didn't want to shoot scare i wanted someone to say they'd shoot scare for me because scare was super obvious town right there.

like i'm pretty sure I said that explicitly what are you doing.
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Alright pez ill give you 1 more shot. Who do you want deeper depth on oll try really really hard before i have to go @pezloco
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Corrik7 posted...

Activity. I could pull posts if I re-read day 1, but he did more than I expected him t

>Lopen wants to know your location
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I can even do a whole players list run down before i go if everyone would like
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

2. Your top four scum suspects

Red ulti pez sbell Lea as a bonus
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Not finding much more to comment on. Chris i've always sucked at finding pairs that can't be scum together. So I treat my reads as independent until there are fewer players. I feel like that gives higher utility for my time in D1 and D2. Once the ratio of scum to town is brought closer to 50/50 that's when I typically look closer about exactly how people interact together. There's a lot more data and a lot less noise. I think the noise comes from having proportionally more town alive.

@Corrik7 I'm not sure why you think Red might be town after everything. I'm honestly not sure if you're just being contrary to get reads on people. But it sounds like you're just using effort to measure Red. I don't think effort is the right way to measure scum Red.

Red wasn't scum last game because he didn't post much D1 and D2. He didn't post much because he was at Disney. He was scum because of how he was lurking. He was scum because he posted "content" that wasn't actually very helpful. Red D1 here did the same thing lots of "helpful" content that isn't actually helpful and a measurable uptick in activity.

Also if we assume that activity is indicative of his scum play then we should take his activity this game with a grain of salt because scum Red would know people would be watching for his activity after the flak he was getting for being inactive D1 and D2 of last game no matter what his excuses were. So, his activity so be a null tell in that context.

##vote: Red

Since I'm going to be gone all day I'm leaving my vote here. FYI, I don't particularly care what he claims. He's had enough time to work up a fake claim. There are of course exceptions, but I doubt anything he'd claim would be meaningful to me. Press him to claim or not. I think B8 relies too much on that tactic.
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Corrik7 posted...

is play this game lacks desire

as opposed to last game when I kept forgetting he was playing?
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Hbthebattle posted...

I wouldnt shoot til the last 5 minutes if I had the shot, and only after I had fully explained my reasoning.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hmm, I think I shall lynch...

... Someone who has voted me today!

DoomTheGyarados posted...

(1) Sir Chris: (Tom), (Ben), (puns), (Sultan), (Scare), Corrik, (puns), (Lea)

But not Tom. Or Sultan.

Bens, Scare, Corrik, Lea, Puns.

One of you shall DIE today

Hbthebattle posted...

Everyone, out of the 5 in chriss target, please list them from scummiest to least scummy.

Lea
Puns
Corrik
Ben
Scare

My boy HB instantly pumped within a damn minute he had a "hey, we should all influence Chris post", let me look town by saying please list them scummiest to scum in it, and pretty much an implied muwahaha at the end for how much this seemed to care and how little thought he gave this to produce this within a minute. Everyone being town in this 5 wouldn't surprise me at all.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Am I allowed to edit to fix typos in the rules my phone self does not proof read.

Pretty sure no
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dowolf posted...

Honestly Tom and Pez scum together wouldn't surprise me. It feels like there's some deliberate avoidance going on there, for some reason

I have been pushing him all game? And he's put up pez walls in response?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Chris, promise to at least explain your decision before shooting, alright?

Another I swear I am town post.

Lopen posted...

I'm disappointed I was hoping for more forced claims and/or theatrics. I shouldn't have supported giving him the power

^ if that group is all town and Chris is town... This post reeks.

Lopen posted...

Also doesn't help that I think that list of people that voted you is a weak set to consider lynching.

Again.

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik7 posted...

HB just came off as the most excited person of all time when Chris said that.

Lol, I have zero doubt that either Chris or Dowolf is scum. If Chris is town and doesn't smite, Dowolf. Then tsk tsk. If Chris is scum, he is shooting me alrdy and just putting on theatrics.

*yawn*

Back to grinding mats in kingdom hearts 3 and checking the draft.

40% chance someone who I think is particularly scummy, and I (hopefully) am not as risk. Why shouldnt I be excited.

Called out being excited so plays into it. Smart.

Hbthebattle posted...

I have a bad feeling Chris is shooting someone not in those 5, though.

Oh noes he might not shoot the group I now likely suspect is all town! Ahhhh the horror!
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Corrik7 posted...

My boy HB instantly pumped within a damn minute he had a "hey, we should all influence Chris post", let me look town by saying please list them scummiest to scum in it, and pretty much an implied muwahaha at the end for how much this seemed to care and how little thought he gave this to produce this within a minute. Everyone being town in this 5 wouldn't surprise me at all.

You're arguing as if the set of people on this list was an arbitrary one determined by HB, instead of being the set of people who voted Chris.

like wtf.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

dowolf posted...

Honestly Tom and Pez scum together wouldn't surprise me. It feels like there's some deliberate avoidance going on there, for some reason

I have been pushing him all game? And he's put up pez walls in response?

oh i know. i dunno.

It's like, your interactions feel like two north-aligned magnets pushing against each other?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Chris if you shoot a town you better be scum or I will mercilessly mock you

Hbthebattle posted...

I will heckle Chris all I want, thank you very much

Soft goad. From hb of all people.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Who is hyped for my choice?

Good news: Not someone who voted for me :)

Hbthebattle posted...

Chris if you fuck this up I will mock you. Fair warning.

My boy HB so upset.
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dowolf posted...

Corrik7 posted...

My boy HB instantly pumped within a damn minute he had a "hey, we should all influence Chris post", let me look town by saying please list them scummiest to scum in it, and pretty much an implied muwahaha at the end for how much this seemed to care and how little thought he gave this to produce this within a minute. Everyone being town in this 5 wouldn't surprise me at all.

You're arguing as if the set of people on this list was an arbitrary one determined by HB, instead of being the set of people who voted Chris.

like wtf.

I am arguing within 60 seconds that HB magically had them sorted from scum to scummiest with a paragraph of words and with his absorption of Chris' list and the idea.

Or, moreso I am arguing a giddy HB was so excited Chris was talking about a list of all town that he hurriedly put out a look at me I am town post and just randomly threw a list down that didn't matter because all town.

4 scum?

Mzero
HB
Dowolf
Pez

In that damn order.

Lopen likely a slot behind.
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It would be great if my HB read was right.
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Sultan and 5tar I am convinced are town for now. Same with Tom. Puns townpower. Only one kill at night suggests Chris town for now. Could be poisoned. If he lives into the game deep and no dowolf scum flip, kill with fire.

Red I still think is town.
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I like how I am at my A+ town game and people are still like "man Chris could be scum..."

I mean that. I love the fear.
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man the idea that someone couldn't put an order to 5 people in a minute is just

weird.
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^ don't worry, bud. A reason you are on the scum list also.

I see you.
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i see me too.

what a coincidence!
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I like how I am at my A+ town game and people are still like "man Chris could be scum..."

I mean that. I love the fear.

I wouldn't insult you by thinking you wouldn't shoot a scum mate for confirmation.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

As previously alluded to it's mostly his tone doesn't feel right. I don't have much quantifiable to give you but I rarely do when I peg him. That said I like him a bit better today and the sk hunting argument has always been junk

So the big problem I've had here is that you're okay on Red for a long time.

216, topic 4
Tom:
-Chris and Red are very good off that list
-But I lean scum on Chris and town on Red

"he's doing stuff day 1!" when asked for elaboration

Specifically, until mid topic 4, you're pretty good with red. Late topic 4, we come to this point

438, topic 4
Pez:
Are you actually reading the game? I thought you had been around more this game. I've made my opinion of Tom very clear I thought. I literally asked the rest of the game to look at Sultan because I thought his read of Tom was cheap and easy after Chris, 5tar and I discussed our reads of Tom prior to Sultan's post. I don't think town Red does this

##Unvote: Sultan
##Vote: Red

@Tom_Bombadil I ask you this. If Red knows about roommate powers why is he still bringing up SK stuff after you said it's a null tell? Does this feel at all to you like Red being genuine scum hunting?

Tom seems swayed by this, and it reflects in his list given in the first page of topic 5. However

Topic 5: Post 9

Tom:
1. Pezloco: Lean scum but some of that might be lack of time to post.
4. Red13n: Was a fan until Pez's attack, now reserving judgment

Why would an attack from someone you lean scum on be that important to your formation of an opinion on a person? Further a red lynch gets support right about here, early topic 5, and Tom ignores it completely, despite being present. We then bridge to Tom answering top 5 scum...

Topic 6, post 137
Tom:
Pez Chris ulti uhhhh Ben Lea?

Now Pez has become top scum for not much tangible reason. Strange Tom would still consider his argument against red to hold sway, particularly when at that point many others have chipped some stuff in on red. I'm not really sure about any of this. It feels a lot like Tom is realizing scummate red looks scummy, and arbitrarily latching onto an argument from a guy to distance himself from him, yet fabricating a suspicion of the guy making that argument to give himself an out if he needs to.

If (when) red flips scum I'm thinking Tom is a slam dunk follow-up, myself.
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I don't think Chris or dowolf are scum but it's not of f the table either
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1. Pezloco, pezlo tunnel on me seems to be something he wants to deal with it pretty badly. He votes for red and it doesnt look that bad but seems like its mostly based on paranoia? Pez breaking from the tunneling looks good but i think he stopped more for the reason no one will follow him to my easy misslynch overall lean scum on pez for pez
Bullet points
A. His tunnel on me is bad
B. His vote on red is nothing but perinoa from last game and it shows
C. Very protective of Tom roommate powers or not its not a good look maybe protecting a scum power beacuse Tom looks scummy to me still ill exsplain later
2. UltimaterializerX - ulti looks good to me playing very cool this game has given some pretty solid reads and looking alot less jumpy and paranoid though last time i really like Ulti day 1 ans day 2 i found he was scum with corrik though corrik refusibf ti vote for him when he could have been the days lynch but no one cared but for now Town lean heavy for ulti
3. Lea3Lea- i really like lea today and the end of the day yeaterday. She was very jumpy ans vote switched a ahit ton day 1 but she ended up finally sticking to thinking luis was scum and was the very 1st to point out luis looking scummy and i think partly helped with the lynch of luis atleast loosely
4. Red13n- im paranoid on why red is still here as well but dont want to base my whole day on it red is more actively hunting this game then he did in my wwe game so maybe he is town or maybe trying to switch it up a bit to not play the same scum game. For now i dont have the greatest read on red but wouldnt say he is scum but dont have him town either so oll say neutral
5. Benjamin- first id like to say ben ia far less active this game then games where he has been town if i remember correctly when i was scum with him he was a little more stand offish that game as well. Ben im not sure of his reads though he is doing that om gonna give 5 names of who could be town then im going to go and reread the ones who couldnt be town and go from their kind of thing possibly having a scum buddy or 2 in his list. This game im far less sold on him being town then games of past usually ben is a pretty wasy read for me if i had to put a shot on it id say Ben is likely scum this game.
6. SBell (Obellisk)- sbell i coild possibly see as scum this game he seems to be lurking or lying in the weeda and jumps up makes a few breif points then leaves again. Not the greatest lead on him but seems kind of odd id say scum lean until proven innocent
7. Camarija- cam i hate but love reading your content all at the same time alot of info but so fucking hard to read i cant read you very well beacuse your numbery making me go back and look to see what youre actually saying is very hard on me to understand i get the gist and kinda move on from your post unless inwant to know more about it and actually go back and look some shorter to the loont post woild be nice read IDFK slight town read??
8. MZero- to be honest idk hasnt been the most active player but content when he is here seems okay ill say neutral?
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados) chris got the scum kill but i still got alot of paranoia on it but maybe you guys are right they picked scare figuring he would be protected. I think still worth looking into and not let off the hook just yet chris is very capable when given a 1 kill shot to kill a scum team mate to "confirm he is town" i think he is probably town though his reada today and exsplanation on luis are much better then what he was offering yesterday that made me susspect him initially so id say like before 75% town
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10. 5tarscream- dont know 5tar very well in mafia but have interactions with him outside of mafia he seems very genuine this game and i think this guy is probably town
11. Hbthebattle- Dont like the claim dont like the play feels to me like dajavu of endgame all over again. Looking back his reads seems to be kind of go with the flow kind of thing but he does actually give me some credit this game wich is nice but dont want that to change my mind that someone actually understands my reads lol so id say dajavu hard scum lean
12. Death (HtaeD)- could go either way honestly idk dont reaally have a read here
13. Tom Bombadil- my gut has hardcore been telling me he as been scum all game i dont like his reads, he is always quick to get off topic with a joke or some kind of meme or something pez doesnt like my read on tom and always brings it up i could see a link their. To be more specific tom seems to have that non comital thing everyone keeps talking about and just seems to be find a lynch that would benift him more then actually looking for scum but this is a 70% gut 30% read TOM is Scum I know Tom from other things and none od his play seems genuine to me
14. TheSultanOfSlam- i feel like im being pretty obvious town this game but still got a pez who doesnt know me so it is what it is
15. Lopen- could be a scum member? Im not familiar with lopen in mafia im not sure what to think about him but other points on him seem kind of good to me??? Slight scum lean??? Sorry this is probably my worst read on who i might think is scum
16. turbopuns3- my neighbor senses are tellomg me town playing alot like he
17. Corrik- scum. I gave alot of thoughts about this i could give me but change my mind i guess??
18. Lolo_Guru -is he even playing this game?
19. Dowolf- basically conformed town right??
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dowolf posted...

man the idea that someone couldn't put an order to 5 people in a minute is just

weird.

Hey I fail that test all the time. Or at least I never feel satisfied with a list I would put up that quick.
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Lopen posted...

Why would an attack from someone you lean scum on be that important to your formation of an opinion on a person?

Because it's pez (or Chris). I have said before they're worth listening to even if they're scum and I've not been 100 percent on either
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Sorry for my giant walls i know i hate them as much as the next guy
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

red is more actively hunting this game then he did in my wwe game so

Lopen would like to know your location
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I feel like if you had some legitimate suspicion of red you'd read other arguments against him from people you don't suspect are scum to help you along with that, as there were a few. Also really don't like the escalation of suspicion on Pez for not much reason-- again, seems like you dialing it up to make an escape valve more plausible.
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Three pairs who aren't scum together

1. Puns/Ben
2. Puns/Ulti
3. Puns/Lopen

Reasoning: I am town

Four scum:

I decline to answer

Sultan can you name a single bit of hunting red has done?
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None of them really spoke to me much unless you want to have the he's doing more no he's not talk again

But there's Chris now so there's somebody I don't think it's scum

Hey pezio there's a sultan attempt now!
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Tom Bombadil posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

red is more actively hunting this game then he did in my wwe game so

Lopen would like to know your location

My location?? Im about to go axe throwing??
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turbopuns3 posted...

Three pairs who aren't scum together

1. Puns/Ben
2. Puns/Ulti
3. Puns/Lopen

Reasoning: I am town

Four scum:

I decline to answer

Can I just point out I murdered scum yesterday.
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It's a joke because he has been yelling at me for like five pages for similar thoughts

I made the same joke with....ulti? A bit ago
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Can I just point out I murdered scum yesterday.

It's like you said day 1. You can and will still consider my responses in your super computing.

I'm playing selfishly this game, for the fuck of it tbh

Do not underestimate the significance of what it means when the number in my username increments as it pertains to my mafia world view

How do you believe you are being selfish by failing to cooperate with alive town Chris day 2

I am a unicorn
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