Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 8: Dedicated to Delseban Part II: The Musical

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Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

What could Chris possibly have on red

something something kicking in my teeth something something

You still babbling about that
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Okay time to read this day.
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

What could Chris possibly have on red

something something kicking in my teeth something something

You still babbling about that

If you reread Day 1, the timing of Red's comments to make me look weak or bad end up look terrible for him

Corrik7 posted...

Okay time to read this day.

I need to do this too lol

Let's see the goods

That vote on me for voting dowolf being contradictory or whatever was just too much for me man.

I'm not saying you're always bad but it pained me to see that one.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Kinda weird how many people were like "oh Chris has the conch well peace out see you on the flip" (Corrik, dowolf himself, Luis, notably NOT Sbell or Lea)

Not sure I would say this is an accurate assessment of my behavior afterwards.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I have given Corrik enough rope, he has done nothing useful at all he can also be on the short list of death today.

"sure"

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway scum clearly does not have a strongman or I am super, super dead. Scare is clearly a "he's the second best town player" and actually I think could possibly be a Red kill. Red respects Scare a lot and he will often not get caught up in gameflow mechanics to try to bait things and instead go "just kill Scare. We can't kill Chris, so kill Scare."

Doesn't have to be Red but that's the psychological profile we're working with. Last night the collective scum team thought Scare was the best town player they could hope to kill, because his play day 1 wasn't great so they weren't going based off day 1 play.

Don't remember the last time I heard someone say Scare would be a nightkill over Red. Scare usually doesn't rate that high on the list of town targets. I'd venture a shot at scare was because he hinted to something somewhere that most of town missed.

Though, him dying before red does point very much so to the likelihood that red is scum, based on normal board 8 scum teams.

Obellisk posted...

IF we lynch him right now we might be able tostart Day 3 by tomorrow morning.

Not a bad idea if I was scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Why do you think Chris would bus someone with that power, Corrik? Also, I've played against Scum Luis. The man is a monster as scum. I find it hard to believe Chris would bus the dude that hard.

How long ago was it that FFD used a scum lawyer on his teammate (I think a strong one) to confirm himself town.

Why would any of you consider Chris scum after he shot the mafia re-director day 1?

Ride the Town Confirm train to victory.

If Chris is town, I am 100% on board with dowolf being scum. I know how Han thinks and how he wants to buck meta.
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Corrik you say "sure" but what useful things have you done this game?
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I mean you can think it's a bad vote. Dowolf thought it was a bad vote. But don't use voting him to say I wasn't arguing against the lynch cause I was the only one here who was! But sometimes you just gotta make a sacrifice to not have 4 4 vote wagons. It's unfortunate but I think it was the right play.

It may have also been unnecessary but I really just wanted that claim ASAP to get a productive day going because I figured town needed to be off him with some time to think rather than stagnating with a bunch of middling wagons.
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benjamin3740 posted...

So here's all my NOT town reads as of yet.

Mzero
Corrik
Lolo
Death
Pez
Sbell
Lopen

And I expect ALL (4 or 5) of the scum are in there. YEP. All of em.

Eh, maybe 2.

MZero11 posted...

what

The entire game of mafia is based on reads and not knowing 100%

You're really reaching here. The dude killed scum power. And also you can't know "it was a fake claimed pandered to him" unless you are scum yourself!

##Vote: SBell

Good bye salty scum

Dumb. Scum would be high fiving chris and acting like he was so good, whether he was town or scum. They would be the biggest chris fanboys ever coming into the day. And, be some of the happiest ones he was chosen to shoot, in game, day 1. Assuming he is town.

Camarija posted...

TLDR of Luis Spew:

Town:
Camarija,
Lea3Lea,
DoomTheGyarados,
Turbopuns,
Lopen

Probably Town:
Benjamin,
Sultan,
Scare,
Hbthebattle

Slight Lean Town:
Death,
Obellisk

???:
MZero,
Red

LOL:
Tom Bombadi

l!!!!:
Mafia have exactly 6 players, probably no SK, and sorry to disappoint but no lost wolf

Not sure if this was actually said by Luis. But, he interestingly lists no mafia and leaves off 6 names from his list.
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Corrik;;;

That TLDR list I made was made by analyzing posts luis made, people responding to luis, and people generally talking about / around Luis

So this list is more or less MY list of associatives

Meaning, I believe, a lot of players are cleared via association

ok I finally caught up

My biggest issue with Red is that he has been uncharacteristically distant. Remember Persona 5 mafia, where Red was on his A-Game? This is like, the complete opposite of that. Town Red can drive discussion and command town, but red hasn't been doing so this game.

I have also softened on Lopen, because my faith in Chris's ability to give accurate reads.

One other interesting tidbit is why Chris may have survived. In scumchat for Endgame, Corrik was super anti killing Han, partially because he thought Cam was the cop, partially because he thought Han wasn't that strong, and most importantly, partially because he wanted to let the big town players get a chance to play the game. It's not a definite guarantee Corrik is scum, but it's worth looking into.
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turbopuns3 posted...

And corrik come on. Chris is not scum here.

And it's not because it's "too crazy" for Scum Chrisnin a vacuum. But he signed up saying he wouldn't have a lot of time to play so it seems quite the leap to say he'd tank his power day 1 to try to set himself up for the long game.

Reason Chris isn't very far behind me in scum skill. Nothing is too crazy for chris.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Let's look at pre-conch vote totals.

(4) Dowolf: (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death, (Ben), (Lea), (Sultan), Lopen
(3) Lea: (Cam), (Corrik), (Cam), (puns), (Chris), Tom, Hb, (5tar), (Scare), (Scare), (Ulti), Ulti
(2) SBell: (Corrik), (puns), (Lea), Chris, puns, (Lopen), (Lea)
(2) red: Cam, pezloco, (Lopen), (Lea), (Lea), (Lopen), (Lea)
(2) Ben: (Chris), (Corrik), (Lea), (dowolf), 5tar, (Chris), Luis
(1) MZero: (Lea), (Lea), (Lea), (Ben), (dowolf), (Cam), (Lea), (Lea), (Death), (Lea), (Lea), Lea
(1) Sir Chris: (Tom), (Ben), (puns), (Sultan), (Scare), Corrik, (puns), (Lea)
(1) Scare: (5tar), (puns), (Lea), dowolf
(0) Lopen: (Ulti), (Hb), (SBell), (Scare), (SBell), (Ulti)
(0) Tom: (Ulti)
(0) pezloco: (Ulti), (red)
(0) Hb: (Chris), (Lea), (puns), (Tom), (Corrik), (Death), (Cam), (Corrik)
(0) Sultan: (pezloco), (SBell), (Luis)
(0) Puns: (Lea), (Corrik), (Ulti), (Scare), (Lea)
(0) Cam: (Lopen), (Lea), (Sbell)
(0) Death: (Lea), (Chris)
(0) Lolo: (Lea), (Cam)
(0) Corrik: (Sultan)
(0) No Lynch: (pezloco), (Tom), (Lopen)
(0) Luis: (Lea)
(0) Ulti: (Lopen), (Hb), (Scare)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

Lopen is calling the dowolf lynch garbage.

A lynch he was on.

Sorry Chris I love you but this is just too much man. If Lopen flips town I'm going to be stunned.

Lopen posted...

Honestly though like... the difference between "lean town" and "very townie" is very significant. I wasn't exactly putting Luis on any town lists. If he had a train vs say Chris or frankly even dowolf (preclaim, because that lynch was garbage) I would have went for him.

(4) Dowolf: (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death, (Ben), (Lea), (Sultan), Lopen

I mean jeez.

##Unvote
##Vote: Lopen

Interesting. Is this comment in context?

Lopen posted...

Actually read the topic and not just vote totals you will see why I did it. I argued against that lynch the whole time, then sighed, threw my hands up and said "can you just claim so we can lynch actual scum"

I'll have to re-read the exchange to see if that holds up. Ulti, do you have post numbers?

UltimaterializerX posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Pez

Works for me.

And if he flips scum I am taking a hard look at people who said on day 1 his lynch was a bad idea.

Or not...?
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Lopen posted...

Proof of my theory to myself and because I felt no risk in doing so. Also being a lightning rod can be a useful scum hunting tool. One I like because I can just focus on myself and get leads.

Softclaim of lightning rod?

Lea3Lea posted...

Oh, he may lean town on you, but that in no way implies he actually thinks you're town~

##Unvote

##Vote: Pez

I think this will be more productive than Corrik

Literally zero conviction in his vote on me. Also, refused to vote Chris day 1 when I said to, but instantly jumped on when he could be the third vote instead of just the 2nd.

benjamin3740 posted...

Pez and Corrik BOTH sound like juicy avenues at the moment. I want to get Corrik's reasoning for stating Puns can't be Miller first. I gave him a day and that's enough

##Vote: Corrik

Reasoning: He cannot be miller this game. There are no millers this game. Signed. Sealed. Delivered. Put it in your dumb little book. No role rishing.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I feel like 5tar is the town Corrik is trying to imitate when he voted me earlier.

Have literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.

5tarscream posted...

##Vote: Red

I want to see more from red.

Lopen posted...

##Unvote: SBell
##Vote: Red

I want to see more from red.

Some of the worst votes I have ever seen.
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Corrik if you make a statement like " There are no millers this game. Signed. Sealed. Delivered. " you better back it up
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Question for the crowd: How likely is it that Luis in topic two tells scum buddy red "darn, Red stole my thunder on Pez."

How many of Pez and Red are MORE likely to be scum based off this interaction? #136 Luis post there for the record.

Below is the quote you're talking about

You think that's a Mafia/Mafia interaction?

I mean, you know my thoughts on Red so probably

Should note that about half of the players never talk about or interacted with Luis, and Luis didn't interact with them

But Red is probably one of those players that you can't just ignore, even if it's your teammate

I'll look for any further Red interactions

Luis_Sera Posted...
You have no idea how disappointed I am to read through all those overnight posts only to have red steal my thunder right at the end. At least partly.

To elaborate, I don't think pez "SK hunting" is sufficient on it's own for me to think he's scum. People can have skewed perspectives. What irked me was his justification for thinking so. red just highlighted it but I think his reasoning is backwards. In a 17 player game I assume 5 scum unless given reason to believe otherwise. A SK doesn't (or shouldn't) fit in 17 because 5+1 SK means town has under two thirds numbers, and 4+1 means the mafia is under 25%. Assuming then, 5 scum, when increasing that to 21 players, without throwing off the balance, the natural course of action would be adding 3 town and 1 scum. I just don't see how you look at that, biased perspective or not, and immediately suspect the addition of an SK unless you know more than you're letting on. No-one is that one-track.

I guess what I got out of THAT particular post was that:

Mafia have exactly SIX (6) Mafia, and they don't anticipate any Serial Killer

Also, no lost wolf lol

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Corrik. Buttered up chris all day but didnt actually "follow orders" but maybe him buttering up chris was his play to look town knowing he knew that chris was town?

Was prepared to follow him to the ends of the earth until he was clearly not scumhunting for significant portions of the day and trying to park a vote on HB (who he claimed was so scummy that he wouldn't his vote off him til he proved otherwise) who he didn't even list as scum later on in the day after HB did nothing at all of the sort Chris said he was looking for.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I feel like 1-2 of these people are just super paranoid and then at least one scum was like "I know what I'll do...!"

Also I know what Corrik's town role is btw. If he does not claim this exact role he is scum.

lol *rolls eyes*

MZero11 posted...

I kind of still think Corrik is town cause usually when he threatens to go inactive he's town from what I remember

Bad reasoning. Way beneath your typical town logic.

MZero11 posted...

but if Corrik doesn't start playing I won't defend him from being lynched tbh

And this is pretty much a contradiction of above. Really scummy set of posts.

turbopuns3 posted...

Man I really want to know what Chris thinks Corrik is. Sadly I think even if I vote Corrik it will affect nothing.

Correct. Your votes hold no sway over me. I could not care less.
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Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

What could Chris possibly have on red

something something kicking in my teeth something something

You still babbling about that

If you reread Day 1, the timing of Red's comments to make me look weak or bad end up look terrible for him

Nobody has to try and make you look weak or bad. You do that to yourself easily enough.

Thus, I doubt the truth of this comment.
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

What could Chris possibly have on red

something something kicking in my teeth something something

You still babbling about that

If you reread Day 1, the timing of Red's comments to make me look weak or bad end up look terrible for him

Nobody has to try and make you look weak or bad. You do that to yourself easily enough.

Thus, I doubt the truth of this comment.

I think you live in a parallel reality and that's cool

Lopen posted...

Corrik you say "sure" but what useful things have you done this game?

What useful things have you done this game? I mean... why say something when you can't quantify what good things are? I can't speak to anything you did that was useful more than I.
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Is Corrik always belligerent as Mafia?

Or is he also belligerent as Town?

Hbthebattle posted...

My biggest issue with Red is that he has been uncharacteristically distant. Remember Persona 5 mafia, where Red was on his A-Game? This is like, the complete opposite of that. Town Red can drive discussion and command town, but red hasn't been doing so this game.

I have also softened on Lopen, because my faith in Chris's ability to give accurate reads.

One other interesting tidbit is why Chris may have survived. In scumchat for Endgame, Corrik was super anti killing Han, partially because he thought Cam was the cop, partially because he thought Han wasn't that strong, and most importantly, partially because he wanted to let the big town players get a chance to play the game. It's not a definite guarantee Corrik is scum, but it's worth looking into.

Felt red was town day 1. A bit miffed now by Chris and his exchange but moreso by Red's silence afterwards. Feels odd and unfluid for town.

And, yes, but surely I wouldn't shoot my good buddy, Scare. Especially when I read him well enough to know when he is power or not.

Also assumes I have control of the scum actions.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik if you make a statement like " There are no millers this game. Signed. Sealed. Delivered. " you better back it up

I did. It is delivered.
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I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Red and I have never lost as scumbuddies btw

What the hell guys I am backreading but this caught my eye.

This needs an asterisk.

Fuck everything.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik if you make a statement like " There are no millers this game. Signed. Sealed. Delivered. " you better back it up

I did. It is delivered.Corrik7 posted...

. A bit miffed now by Chris and his exchange but moreso by Red's silence afterwards.

miffed NOT* by
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Camarija posted...

I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh

Then you shouldn't play mafia, because these are comments that are making it clear you are not intending to actually play the game. You are just trying to settle personal vendettas or whatever.

Has no place in mafia. It's not playing to win, if true.
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red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Red and I have never lost as scumbuddies btw

What the hell guys I am backreading but this caught my eye.

This needs an asterisk.

Fuck everything.

?
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh

Then you shouldn't play mafia, because these are comments that are making it clear you are not intending to actually play the game. You are just trying to settle personal vendettas or whatever.

Has no place in mafia. It's not playing to win, if true.

So far you've been non stop combative since the start of the game

You clearly haven't reevaluated or realized my lack of associations with Luis

Red is another story

But mate, you do this every game it seems and it's just tiresome

Cam has been really angry with me and I honestly am totally puzzled as to why.
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Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh

Then you shouldn't play mafia, because these are comments that are making it clear you are not intending to actually play the game. You are just trying to settle personal vendettas or whatever.

Has no place in mafia. It's not playing to win, if true.

So far you've been non stop combative since the start of the game

You clearly haven't reevaluated or realized my lack of associations with Luis

Red is another story

But mate, you do this every game it seems and it's just tiresome

You mean, you got caught with faulty logic in every game you played with me because you make illogical arguments? That again is on you.

Saying you would kill someone in the game regardless of their alignment is not playing to win. Especially when you are saying it about red who not a single person has ever said ill things about.

Han, Red, Ulti, and others very regularly mock or insult me in games. You have never once seen me utter the words you just have. That is because it has no place in mafia.

What is so combative about my postings with you? Sounds to me like you can't handle some simple pressure or deconstruction of your arguments. If you are looking for a bunch of teddy bears to agree with you and pat you on the back every time you post, you are gonna be sorely disappointed or exploited by board 8 scum teams so many times it is silly.

Man up.
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red13n posted...

Cam has been really angry with me and I honestly am totally puzzled as to why.

Because you threatened aggravated assault against him. And fetistized it or something.

*rolls eyes*

Red, you should probably claim. You response to Chris' whatever was very lacking and the votes are there in actuality and spirit.
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red13n posted...

Cam has been really angry with me and I honestly am totally puzzled as to why.

You fetishized physical violence against me

You don't do that and expect me to be happy with you

The timing of which was when I was pushing Luis_Sera

The funniest thing is that he is trying to use that obvious joking banter with you as a reasoning he is town. You tried to weaken him as he pushed scum! lol
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh

Then you shouldn't play mafia, because these are comments that are making it clear you are not intending to actually play the game. You are just trying to settle personal vendettas or whatever.

Has no place in mafia. It's not playing to win, if true.

So far you've been non stop combative since the start of the game

You clearly haven't reevaluated or realized my lack of associations with Luis

Red is another story

But mate, you do this every game it seems and it's just tiresome

You mean, you got caught with faulty logic in every game you played with me because you make illogical arguments? That again is on you.

Saying you would kill someone in the game regardless of their alignment is not playing to win. Especially when you are saying it about red who not a single person has ever said ill things about.

Han, Red, Ulti, and others very regularly mock or insult me in games. You have never once seen me utter the words you just have. That is because it has no place in mafia.

What is so combative about my postings with you? Sounds to me like you can't handle some simple pressure or deconstruction of your arguments. If you are looking for a bunch of teddy bears to agree with you and pat you on the back every time you post, you are gonna be sorely disappointed or exploited by board 8 scum teams so many times it is silly.

Man up.

I just saw the Man Up and I'm ignoring this post lol

You seem to be hyper engaged which is cool, but your style is probably not the best for a cooperative communication game

honestly, i had no idea who you were pressuring, but there was repeated talk of murdering inactives which we(b8) know hasn't been a scumtell in all of our recent games but is something you(the outsider) keep actively meta'ing the opposite. I was making sure you were aware of our meta and trying to get your attention because you literally recently lost a game by ignoring all of the advice on b8 meta that was left to you.
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also this is literally a game of murdering people. It is metaphorical violence. You really shouldn't be getting all angry 24/7 over it.
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red13n posted...

honestly, i had no idea who you were pressuring, but there was repeated talk of murdering inactives which we(b8) know hasn't been a scumtell in all of our recent games but is something you(the outsider) keep actively meta'ing the opposite. I was making sure you were aware of our meta and trying to get your attention because you literally recently lost a game by ignoring all of the advice on b8 meta that was left to you.

Whatever your intentions were, the way you did whatever you did was really shitty

I think you crossed a line in the game

I don't expect you'll recognize your fault here

And I don't expect anyone will hold you to a higher standard

I hope you never do this to anyone again

red13n posted...

also this is literally a game of murdering people. It is metaphorical violence. You really shouldn't be getting all angry 24/7 over it.

I feel like I need to refer you to reading the first few posts in topic 1

And again mate

Metaphorical: [insert whatever crime here]

You're skating a really fine line, and I believe really going against the spirit of the game

You're making it personally unfun for me bringing up aggravated assault against me as giving you personal pleasure

It's really messed up and really shouldn't be a part of the game

Camarija posted...

Whatever your intentions were, the way you did whatever you did was really shitty

I think you crossed a line in the game

I don't expect you'll recognize your fault here

And I don't expect anyone will hold you to a higher standard

I hope you never do this to anyone again

i honestly couldn't even tell you what I did. I just know you've been raging at me nonstop.
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Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh

Then you shouldn't play mafia, because these are comments that are making it clear you are not intending to actually play the game. You are just trying to settle personal vendettas or whatever.

Has no place in mafia. It's not playing to win, if true.

So far you've been non stop combative since the start of the game

You clearly haven't reevaluated or realized my lack of associations with Luis

Red is another story

But mate, you do this every game it seems and it's just tiresome

You mean, you got caught with faulty logic in every game you played with me because you make illogical arguments? That again is on you.

Saying you would kill someone in the game regardless of their alignment is not playing to win. Especially when you are saying it about red who not a single person has ever said ill things about.

Han, Red, Ulti, and others very regularly mock or insult me in games. You have never once seen me utter the words you just have. That is because it has no place in mafia.

What is so combative about my postings with you? Sounds to me like you can't handle some simple pressure or deconstruction of your arguments. If you are looking for a bunch of teddy bears to agree with you and pat you on the back every time you post, you are gonna be sorely disappointed or exploited by board 8 scum teams so many times it is silly.

Man up.

I just saw the Man Up and I'm ignoring this post lol

You seem to be hyper engaged which is cool, but your style is probably not the best for a cooperative communication game

Nobody cares.

If you read the scum chat of endgame mafia, I wanted to kill you Night 1 because I said you were the best player on Town. I said you were clearly the best and had a lot of faith in your reads and logic. And, my team made fun of me and said in basically other words that you were terrible, full of yourself, and etc.

So, you had my respect. Then as the game went on, your arguments became increasingly weaker and insane. You tried to use off board meta arguments, you outted yourself as Vanilla with an insane argument which derailed all your reads and respect to the game in your reads, and this happened as you being town and scum deconstructing your arguments.

You broke completely and trolled the game instead of even playing basically for a day or two afterwards.

That was perfection of scum play coupled with poor town play that let me do it. Not to mention you then helped your team lose by arguing impossible set up metas repeatedly late in the game there also.

Then you came into this game talking about imaginary beasts when being disagreed with and talking about how you are trying to signal the scum team as being scum, while saying you are town for doing it. Come on. Your arguments are weak, illogical, and insane. Multiple people are pointing out the insanity of your arguments.

TLDR: I had the highest respect for you. But, you lost it through your own play. Play better. Regain it. Stop playing up a victim card.
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Yeah, I think Corrik is just always Mafia here

He seems 100% interested in trolling me all game than playing it

I'm off

gl with your stuff

*rolls eyes* Just moving on. Can't stand people who always want to act like a victim.

Anyways, Red, are you intending to respond to the Chris argument thing? Or just gonna ignore it?
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Corrik has always been a troll. Has nothing to do with him being mafia.

(this is red firefox is being dumb)