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dowolf
06/22/19 7:15:19 PM
#101:


Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
htaeD posted...
Random thought occured to me that we could have a busdriver.


Yeah that's just what we fucking need right now. A bus driver on top of a scum redirector?


Bus Driver:
Swap Players A and B

Redirector:
Redirect Lopen posted...
Scare was only the likely scum kill in that we can't account for the source. He seems like a poor scum kill if you paid attention to his reception from town yesterday.

If you think in terms of results scare makes sense as the scum kill. If you think in terms of where night actions are likely going he does not.


Lopen, I had you as a patsy but this concerns me

Who is Town in this post?


Thats a great catch.

this is a bad catch. scumslips are almost invariably wrong. Please look up Freudian slips, specifically the part where they *aren't real*.

not sure whether Cam looks worse for bringing it up or SBell for encouraging it.
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:17:18 PM
#102:


Luis_Sera89 posted...
OK, if it were me I'd lynch puns on principal in the hope it'd stop people claiming Miller Day 1 and inviting the sideshow it brings. If I was feeling more rational I'd say that Ben's claim was very "ehh...", Scare wouldn't be the biggest loss but I'm not leaning scum on him, Lea I'm slowly warming too because I'm having a harder time seeing someone play so brazenly as scum, and who knows about Corrik but there's probably greater gains from keeping him alive than lynching him Day 1.


To me this felt like too much information from Luis, suggesting Scare was an expendable Town "wouldn't be the biggest loss"

Also, I'm quite confident Vigilante wouldn't have gone for Scare

That would be kind of reckless in general
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 7:17:25 PM
#103:


dowolf posted...
not sure whether Cam looks worse for bringing it up or SBell for encouraging it.


definitely the latter imo. it's no guarantee that either is scum but that is an all too familiar scenario
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:18:28 PM
#104:


dowolf posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
htaeD posted...
Random thought occured to me that we could have a busdriver.


Yeah that's just what we fucking need right now. A bus driver on top of a scum redirector?


Bus Driver:
Swap Players A and B

Redirector:
Redirect Lopen posted...
Scare was only the likely scum kill in that we can't account for the source. He seems like a poor scum kill if you paid attention to his reception from town yesterday.

If you think in terms of results scare makes sense as the scum kill. If you think in terms of where night actions are likely going he does not.


Lopen, I had you as a patsy but this concerns me

Who is Town in this post?


Thats a great catch.

this is a bad catch. scumslips are almost invariably wrong. Please look up Freudian slips, specifically the part where they *aren't real*.

not sure whether Cam looks worse for bringing it up or SBell for encouraging it.


I like the color orange

You don't

You and I fundamentally disagree, but my like of orange isn't wrong

It is what it is

Do you understand?
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HanOfTheNekos
06/22/19 7:18:43 PM
#105:


Votals (as of post 100)
(4) Red: 5tar, Lopen, (Lea), Chris, (Ben), (pez), (Tom), pez, (Hb)
(3) MZero: Corrik, Lea, Ben
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(2) Pez: Ulti, (Lea), Tom
(1) Tom: Cam
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

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Lopen
06/22/19 7:26:22 PM
#106:


Camarija posted...
I like the color orange

You don't

You and I fundamentally disagree, but my like of orange isn't wrong

It is what it is

Do you understand?


If I understand you're saying your scum hunting technique is the equivalent of saying Lopen disliking the color orange is a scumslip?
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:29:13 PM
#107:


I'm tempted to sheep Ulti to give him a chance to clear himself

Going to check out my spew notes on Pez quickly

Topic 2 - Post 136
Luis Sera seems to put suspicion on Pez here


You have no idea how disappointed I am to read through all those overnight posts only to have red steal my thunder right at the end. At least partly.

To elaborate, I don't think pez "SK hunting" is sufficient on it's own for me to think he's scum. People can have skewed perspectives. What irked me was his justification for thinking so. red just highlighted it but I think his reasoning is backwards. In a 17 player game I assume 5 scum unless given reason to believe otherwise. A SK doesn't (or shouldn't) fit in 17 because 5+1 SK means town has under two thirds numbers, and 4+1 means the mafia is under 25%. Assuming then, 5 scum, when increasing that to 21 players, without throwing off the balance, the natural course of action would be adding 3 town and 1 scum. I just don't see how you look at that, biased perspective or not, and immediately suspect the addition of an SK unless you know more than you're letting on. No-one is that one-track.

Topic 6 - Post 192
This is the only other time Luis mentions Pez


Pez I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt for the time being, the major issue I had with him is centred on a hypothetical SK, and I don't want to get hung up on that.

Topic 3 - Post 430
This is the only time Pez talks about Luis_Sera

Pezloco posted

Luis_Sera - needs to post more, used to play a long time ago. He was the batman (I think?)

Other notes:
Both Lea3Lea and Sir Chris talk about Luis' style of attacking Pez' IDEA of the SK rather than Pez himself. Lea3Lea finds this suspicious. Sir Chris does not.

For reference:
Topic 2 - Post 247 - Lea3Lea
Topic 2- Post 307 - DoomTheGyarados
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 7:29:23 PM
#108:


It's settled.

##Unvote
##Vote: Lopen


Lock 'im up.
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:29:42 PM
#109:


Lopen posted...
Camarija posted...
I like the color orange

You don't

You and I fundamentally disagree, but my like of orange isn't wrong

It is what it is

Do you understand?


If I understand you're saying your scum hunting technique is the equivalent of saying Lopen disliking the color orange is a scumslip?


I'm saying you have your preferred method of scumhunting, and I have mine
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Lopen
06/22/19 7:30:21 PM
#110:


Would it help if I said I actually like the color orange
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:30:24 PM
#111:


Camarija posted...
I'm tempted to sheep Ulti to give him a chance to clear himself

Going to check out my spew notes on Pez quickly

Topic 2 - Post 136
Luis Sera seems to put suspicion on Pez here


You have no idea how disappointed I am to read through all those overnight posts only to have red steal my thunder right at the end. At least partly.

To elaborate, I don't think pez "SK hunting" is sufficient on it's own for me to think he's scum. People can have skewed perspectives. What irked me was his justification for thinking so. red just highlighted it but I think his reasoning is backwards. In a 17 player game I assume 5 scum unless given reason to believe otherwise. A SK doesn't (or shouldn't) fit in 17 because 5+1 SK means town has under two thirds numbers, and 4+1 means the mafia is under 25%. Assuming then, 5 scum, when increasing that to 21 players, without throwing off the balance, the natural course of action would be adding 3 town and 1 scum. I just don't see how you look at that, biased perspective or not, and immediately suspect the addition of an SK unless you know more than you're letting on. No-one is that one-track.

Topic 6 - Post 192
This is the only other time Luis mentions Pez


Pez I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt for the time being, the major issue I had with him is centred on a hypothetical SK, and I don't want to get hung up on that.

Topic 3 - Post 430
This is the only time Pez talks about Luis_Sera

Pezloco posted

Luis_Sera - needs to post more, used to play a long time ago. He was the batman (I think?)

Other notes:
Both Lea3Lea and Sir Chris talk about Luis' style of attacking Pez' IDEA of the SK rather than Pez himself. Lea3Lea finds this suspicious. Sir Chris does not.

For reference:
Topic 2 - Post 247 - Lea3Lea
Topic 2- Post 307 - DoomTheGyarados


I want to say this probably makes Pez look Town, not Mafia
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 7:36:56 PM
#112:


Camarija posted...
I want to say this probably makes Pez look Town, not Mafia


I definitely disagree with this
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 7:38:25 PM
#113:


By that I mean, I don't think it makes Pez look either Town or Mafia. It is such an insignificant amount of information as to be, well, insignificant.
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:39:56 PM
#114:


Spew Cleared Players:
3. Lea3Lea
7. Camarija
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados)
16. turbopuns3

Probably Town:
1. Pezloco
5. Benjamin
11. Hbthebattle
14. TheSultanOfSlam
15. Lopen:
On the surface level, it looks like Lopen supports Luis and vice versa, but I think Lopen was a patsy being taken for a ride
19. Dowolf

Slight Lean Town:
6. SBell (Obellisk)
12. Death (HtaeD)

Remaining:
2. UltimaterializerX
4. Red13n
8. MZero
10. 5tarscream
13. Tom Bombadil
17. Corrik
18. Lolo_Guru

I guess I'll start with Ulti
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:41:13 PM
#115:


turbopuns3 posted...
By that I mean, I don't think it makes Pez look either Town or Mafia. It is such an insignificant amount of information as to be, well, insignificant.


He seems to be wanting to correct Pez about the setup

Leading him to, I believe, TMI about there being exactly 6 Mafia, and therefore Pez must be wrong

It makes Pez look disproportionately uninformed
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:42:13 PM
#116:


*TMI = Too Much Information

This is especially relevant where Mafia accidentally slip privileged information into the game thread
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dowolf
06/22/19 7:43:26 PM
#118:


Lopen posted...
Camarija posted...
I like the color orange

You don't

You and I fundamentally disagree, but my like of orange isn't wrong

It is what it is

Do you understand?


If I understand you're saying your scum hunting technique is the equivalent of saying Lopen disliking the color orange is a scumslip?

that is in fact what he is saying.

Not sure how this led to Punz voting Lopen but here we are.
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dowolf
06/22/19 7:44:23 PM
#119:


Cam, too much information is what your spews are.

it's just buckets of information with no real purpose other than to make relevant information harder to extract.
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 7:44:47 PM
#120:


dowolf posted...
Punz


I'm imagining a much edgier version of me
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:48:18 PM
#121:


dowolf posted...
Cam, too much information is what your spews are.

it's just buckets of information with no real purpose other than to make relevant information harder to extract.


You're buckets full of joy lol
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dowolf
06/22/19 7:48:42 PM
#122:


nah, it's more like Catz and Dogz.

so super adorable.
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:48:51 PM
#123:


Just quickly looking at Ulti; they're probably Town
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:52:00 PM
#125:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Camarija posted...
Just quickly looking at Ulti; they're probably Town

Damn bro I used to be fat enough to count as 3 people but I'm down to like 1 and 7/12ths people these days.


haha :D

You started day 1 posting up a storm

You followed up today more or less not suffering from posting dropoff

Also I quickly looked at you doing some sort of surface analysis so that was cool to see

But yeah, congrats on the weight loss!
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Lopen
06/22/19 7:53:11 PM
#126:


Cam which player in particular did you mean when you called Ulti town. Did you mean dowolf?
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Lopen
06/22/19 7:55:14 PM
#128:


Zzzzzz
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Camarija
06/22/19 7:56:18 PM
#129:


Lopen posted...
Cam which player in particular did you mean when you called Ulti town. Did you mean dowolf?


I meant Ulti in particular being likely Town

As for who I'm talking to in particular, I'm talking to the thread in general, for anyone who will listen

I think dowolf is likely Town, but I'm not certain why they're discouraging my analysis
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dowolf
06/22/19 7:57:45 PM
#131:


man this push onto Lopen after we just identified some of the reasoning as being garbage is yuck. Time to push back a bit, I think.

##Unvote: Corrik
##Vote: SBell


For reasons discussed above.
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dowolf
06/22/19 7:58:30 PM
#132:


analysis is great! but you gotta work on that whole brevity thing and having focused "points," if you will.
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 7:59:00 PM
#133:


dowolf posted...
Vote: SBell


/headdesk
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 8:01:21 PM
#134:


You will lynch lopen over my dead body. Do not ruin my weekend with my gf by making me stress over defending obvious town
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Lopen
06/22/19 8:01:52 PM
#135:


If you guys are really too skittish to lynch the clearly fake watcher claim I'm okay with lynching Tom as red being scum makes him look really bad and he's basically scum confirmed to me. Don't really like any other lynch today right now.
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Camarija
06/22/19 8:02:46 PM
#136:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Camarija posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Camarija posted...
Just quickly looking at Ulti; they're probably Town

Damn bro I used to be fat enough to count as 3 people but I'm down to like 1 and 7/12ths people these days.


haha :D

You started day 1 posting up a storm

You followed up today more or less not suffering from posting dropoff

Also I quickly looked at you doing some sort of surface analysis so that was cool to see

But yeah, congrats on the weight loss!

Went from 415 down to 275, back up to 300 because of some severe depression/personal issues lately but I'll get active again. Summer is when I love to be active and go swimming and such.

Can you vote Lopen with me? Puns and I both having a scum lean on the guy gives me a good feeling about this one.


I understand why you're voting there, it makes sense

Lopen and Luis seemed to be an open tag team of sorts

I felt that this post felt like Luis was perhaps pocketing Lopen, and therefore making Lopen likely Town:

Topic 6 - Post 192
Luis_Sera posted...

Lopen is my strongest town reading; I've found myself agreeing with his insights the most, acting like affirmation of my own thoughts of sorts.

Also Lopen seemed open to criticizing Luis:

Topic 5 - Post 199
Lopen posted

I think it's interesting Luis that you'd call Sultan on being wishy washy and non-committal while at the same time calling him scum based on that based on a post voting on Chris of all people.

I mean I do think he's been wishy washy and non-committal I'm just not positive it's a scum thing right now as much as a lack of assertiveness and that post seems like a weird one to get on his case for since it takes some stones to go that way given Chris's general reception among the players at large currently.
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Lopen
06/22/19 8:07:31 PM
#137:


You don't have to defend me Chris no one is going to lynch me it's just Ulti yelling like a town drunk again and puns really liking tertiary colors (orange is part red that's the real reason I have misgivings about it)
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Lopen
06/22/19 8:12:46 PM
#140:


##Unvote
##Vote: Tom


I want to see more from Tom.

Wait actually Tom posts a lot I just think he's scum. In before he claims town tracker who was roleblocked and OH NO WE CAN'T
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 8:14:56 PM
#141:


Tom has done nothing with my confidence in him. You all may proceed.
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 8:17:30 PM
#142:


##Unvote
##Vote: SBell
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Hbthebattle
06/22/19 8:25:45 PM
#143:


If someone was roleblocked, wouldn't they have claimed it by now?
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 8:27:20 PM
#144:


Hbthebattle posted...
If someone was roleblocked, wouldn't they have claimed it by now?


No.
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Obellisk
06/22/19 8:37:04 PM
#145:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
If someone was roleblocked, wouldn't they have claimed it by now?


No.


Even I know not to claim being blocked.

Not that that stops the scum team from blocking me continuously in past games.
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Obellisk
06/22/19 8:40:05 PM
#146:


Hi puns
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 8:42:14 PM
#147:


you're aware I voted you a long time ago right? and only voted lopen as a joke which somehow resulted in dowolf voting you
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Obellisk
06/22/19 8:42:45 PM
#148:


turbopuns3 posted...
you're aware I voted you a long time ago right? and only voted lopen as a joke which somehow resulted in dowolf voting you


Puns come on brother. Who hasn't voted me.
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 8:45:45 PM
#149:


Obellisk posted...
Who hasn't voted me.


(3) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), (puns), dowolf, puns

most people I guess
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Obellisk
06/22/19 8:46:52 PM
#150:


turbopuns3 posted...
Obellisk posted...
Who hasn't voted me.


(3) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), (puns), dowolf, puns

most people I guess


Well some are still scared to join the party.
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