Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named

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Lopen posted...

don't recall you ever suggesting Pez+red scumteam as your trust in Pez decreased simultaneously with

It's only what I've said everything time we've been over this

And also that one time I spitballked that scare was shot because all the good players were scum
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benjamin3740 posted...

Mzero does tend to walk the path of least resistance as both alignments, but when he IS town im used to him actually caring very deeply about not being lynched and taking it seriously when people are trying to lynch him. For someone who has had a lot of attention on him he's done very little to step up his game or address those calling him scum.

Isn't that pretty much just Lea yelling into the night though
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Mzero voting Sbell was very much out of nowhere in a "hmm I should do something ehhh what's something on this page I can vote for?". It did not seem like a continuous thought progression to me.

When we've been over this, yes. I'm talking about before I pressed you.
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Lopen posted...

treated as independent variables.

Ding ding ding
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Like if he's town he'd have explained why he had Eaed as scum but not Lolo. Or gave any sort of example how Corrik playing like Corrik = town Corrik. But him ignoring that just makes me assume there's nothing to explain because that was fake.
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Was there a pint where you weren't pressing me it's been at least all of d2 and I think a chunk of d1 as well
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Tom Bombadil posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Mzero does tend to walk the path of least resistance as both alignments, but when he IS town im used to him actually caring very deeply about not being lynched and taking it seriously when people are trying to lynch him. For someone who has had a lot of attention on him he's done very little to step up his game or address those calling him scum.

Isn't that pretty much just Lea yelling into the night though

I've been very serious about him being scum too. Maybe that's why I think there's attention on him. I thought he had at least 4 votes at some time today though
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Ben is so town

Ding ding dinging that is not logical town play. If you suspect someone and you only have like 3 suspects, listening to their arguments as one of your only leads of suspicion simply does not make sense.
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Lea3Lea posted...

Mzero voting Sbell was very much out of nowhere in a "hmm I should do something ehhh what's something on this page I can vote for?". It did not seem like a continuous thought progression to me.

And the way the entire post was worded pinged my fake-dar.
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It does if it's pez

Or if you're not one of those weirdos always 100 percent confident in every read
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I'm 100% confident in every one of my 43 votes

Tom Bombadil posted...

Was there a pint where you weren't pressing me it's been at least all of d2 and I think a chunk of d1 as well

We mostly just bantered d1. Think I argued against the idea of red doing anything once.

I didn't note the Pez/red contradiction until today on a reread and pressing you about Pez and red.
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It's not about 100% confidence as much as you'd expressed suspicion in like 3 players period. To follow the read of one of those 3 that goes against one you had in the town pile is very strange.
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Well I suspect my social break is about over so I announce my temporary departure before somebody asks me something important
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Pez Chris red ulti Lea sbell Ben hb

Like three (at various points)

Also hi I'm Tom
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Say hi to red on scumboard for me
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I thought we town cleared Tom early day 1? I had a Chris garuentee he was town and a ROOMMATE THUMBS UP that he was town. I'm gonna be mad if I put a scum in my town list. Those things are supposed to be sacred
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Anyone remember when scum HB put Red at -1 to try and entice me or Cam "I will kill red no matter what his alignment" Arija to hammer him?

Oh just me? Okay.
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I think after many years of people being town cleared for voting Chris, eventually top scum scientists will work out how to use that to their advantage

Corrik7 posted...

Anyone remember when scum HB put Red at -1 to try and entice me or Cam "I will kill red no matter what his alignment" Arija to hammer him?

Oh just me? Okay.

Pepperidge farm remembers
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Pez Chris red ulti Lea sbell Ben hb

Many of these suspicions were not present topic 4 when Pez made the argument. In fact you conveniently left us a list just after at topic 5 start where Pez and Ulti are the only ones you give scum lean to. Course hb had a vote and you voted Lea, so maybe you could argue 4 at that time, but very weird.

Especially since my argument against red as "town imo" did not register whatsoever.
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If you suspect someone and then they make a good argument about someone else it can cause you to doubt your read of them. You shouldn't just ignore things that are said by people you suspect. A good argument is a good argument.

turbopuns3 posted...

If you suspect someone and then they make a good argument about someone else it can cause you to doubt your read of them. You shouldn't just ignore things that are said by people you suspect. A good argument is a good argument.

Hey that is a good argument
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turbopuns3 posted...

If you suspect someone and then they make a good argument about someone else it can cause you to doubt your read of them.

Here's the problem

It was backwards from this

Tom was "convinced" by Pez and gradually became less trusting of him. It wasn't he was railing against Pez and then softened after the argument made sense.
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##unvote:
##vote: hb
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Lopen posted...

Tom was "convinced" by Pez and gradually became less trusting of him. It wasn't he was railing against Pez and then softened after the argument made sense.

Ok well that also seems completely plausible to me tbh

It doesn't to me. If I start to suspect the guy who presented an argument that convinced me another guy I thought was town may be scummy, reevaluating and/or going back to look at other takes on the suspect seems natural.

It's just the less direct version of what we do when someone flips as confirmed town or scum.
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Corrik7 posted...

Anyone remember when scum HB put Red at -1 to try and entice me or Cam "I will kill red no matter what his alignment" Arija to hammer him?

Oh just me? Okay.

Red was at 8 once I voted him. I checked with Lopen that Red would be at 8 and therefore unhammerable. There was no chance of a quickhammer there.
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Lopen posted...

reevaluating and/or going back to look at other takes on the suspect seems natural.

I mean sure you can reevaluate but again a good argument is a good argument

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Anyone remember when scum HB put Red at -1 to try and entice me or Cam "I will kill red no matter what his alignment" Arija to hammer him?

Oh just me? Okay.

Red was at 8 once I voted him. I checked with Lopen that Red would be at 8 and therefore unhammerable. There was no chance of a quickhammer there.

Remember when scum HB put Red at -1 when someone openly stated they would kill red no matter what his alignment today if they could kill him.

Do you remember?
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Votals (as of post 230)
(3) Red: 5tar, (Lopen), (Lea), Chris, (Ben), (pez), (Tom), pez, (Hb)
(3) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), (puns), dowolf, puns
(3) Tom: Cam, Ulti, Lopen
(2) MZero: (Corrik), Lea, Ben
(1) Corrik: (dowolf), (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(1) Pez: (Ulti), (Lea), Tom
(1) Hb: Corrik
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti), (puns), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Votals (as of post 1)
(8) Red: 5tar, Lopen, Lea, Chris, Ben, (pez), Tom, pez, Hb
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(1) Pez: Ulti, (Lea)
(1) Tom: Cam
(1) MZero: Corrik
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

This was right before Red's claim.
What say you now, Corrik?
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Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Votals (as of post 1)
(8) Red: 5tar, Lopen, Lea, Chris, Ben, (pez), Tom, pez, Hb
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(1) Pez: Ulti, (Lea)
(1) Tom: Cam
(1) MZero: Corrik
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

This was right before Red's claim.
What say you now, Corrik?

Remember when Scum HB purposely made it -2 on red so that hammer happy me and Cam "I would hammer red as any alignment" Arija both were not voting Red.
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turbopuns3 posted...

I mean sure you can reevaluate but again a good argument is a good argument

I see no evidence Tom reevaluated or considered the interaction of his suspicions until I spelled it out for him, though
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Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Votals (as of post 1)
(8) Red: 5tar, Lopen, Lea, Chris, Ben, (pez), Tom, pez, Hb
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(1) Pez: Ulti, (Lea)
(1) Tom: Cam
(1) MZero: Corrik
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

This was right before Red's claim.
What say you now, Corrik?

Remember when Scum HB purposely made it -2 on red so that hammer happy me and Cam "I would hammer red as any alignment" Arija both were not voting Red.

##Vote: Corrik
You know what? I don't remember that at all.

Remember when Corrik said Chris was scum for sitting on me for too much of D1 and not hunting?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Votals (as of post 1)
(8) Red: 5tar, Lopen, Lea, Chris, Ben, (pez), Tom, pez, Hb
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(1) Pez: Ulti, (Lea)
(1) Tom: Cam
(1) MZero: Corrik
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

This was right before Red's claim.
What say you now, Corrik?

Remember when Scum HB purposely made it -2 on red so that hammer happy me and Cam "I would hammer red as any alignment" Arija both were not voting Red.

##Vote: Corrik
You know what? I don't remember that at all.

Remember when Corrik said Chris was scum for sitting on me for too much of D1 and not hunting?

Yes
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Lopen posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

I mean sure you can reevaluate but again a good argument is a good argument

I see no evidence Tom reevaluated or considered the interaction of his suspicions until I spelled it out for him, though

I don't see why it has to be necessary. At that point you're pedestaling your own view and way of thinking.

It has to be necessary because his case on Pez has been extremely weak to begin with. I need something to convince me he's not arbitrarily assigning suspicions.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Lopen posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

I mean sure you can reevaluate but again a good argument is a good argument

I see no evidence Tom reevaluated or considered the interaction of his suspicions until I spelled it out for him, though

I don't see why it has to be necessary. At that point you're pedestaling your own view and way of thinking.

Like I only need to extend your stance here a little bit to be able to boil it down to "scum don't bus"

Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Votals (as of post 1)
(8) Red: 5tar, Lopen, Lea, Chris, Ben, (pez), Tom, pez, Hb
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(1) Pez: Ulti, (Lea)
(1) Tom: Cam
(1) MZero: Corrik
(0) Chris: (Corrik)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

This was right before Red's claim.
What say you now, Corrik?

Remember when Scum HB purposely made it -2 on red so that hammer happy me and Cam "I would hammer red as any alignment" Arija both were not voting Red.

##Vote: Corrik
You know what? I don't remember that at all.

Remember when Corrik said Chris was scum for sitting on me for too much of D1 and not hunting?

Yes

Well then.
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Lopen posted...

Many of these suspicions were not present topic 4 when Pez made the argument

K take sbell and Lea off then
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Scum by default bus less often than not. There's a reason for example people have said Luis flipping scum makes Sultan look better. I'm not saying you should automatically assume scum lynch targets are not scum, but there should be evidence that entered your mind I think.
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Lopen posted...

Tom was "convinced" by Pez and gradually became less trusting of him

Nah pez iirc was already a suspect by then
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Lopen posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

I mean sure you can reevaluate but again a good argument is a good argument

I see no evidence Tom reevaluated or considered the interaction of his suspicions until I spelled it out for him, though

My reasoning had been my reasoning the whole time you just don't believe me
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It kinda sounds like Tom is saying he made a gut read and Lopen is just saying that's not good enough

If you make a gut read it should show in how you approach the game is what I'm saying.
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turbopuns3 posted...

It kinda sounds like Tom is saying he made a gut read and Lopen is just saying that's not good enough

That's the gist of the pez part yeah (ignoring the whole roommate thing)

The red part is that I didn't proceed to ignore everything pez ever said as a result
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Well, if you made a gut read, you'd naturally try to look for more evidence that could justify your gut read, correct? Puns, would you say Tom has done so?
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