Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named

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He's clearly not necessary as an escape valve now. You can pretend to respect the watcher claim and the town will buy it. Yesterday when there were multiple lynches going and red was one, though? Good excuse to avoid the red one entirely.
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Red, are you confident the person you saw visit Chris is town?

I have seen talk that people think and maybe you outright stated that the reason for you not to reveal it would be that you think it was a doctor that visited Chris.

Is that something you actually believe? Is the person that you "saw" visit Chris someone you think would be town ignoring the supposed seen trip to Chris?

I am clearly doctor fishing btw ofc.
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pezloco posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

It's also ironic that you called red an escape valve but forgot I switched to pez from him. Pick one of those arguments, probably the one that at least isn't demonstrably false

Um you got it wrong. He said I was the escape to get off of Red. He thinks your buddies with Red and using me as an easy parked vote.

Yes and then he didn't think I voted you
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Lopen posted...

Good excuse to avoid the red one entirely

I don't think I voted him yesterday

Lopen posted...

He's clearly not necessary as an escape valve now

So why am I here
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Lopen posted...

Yesterday when there were multiple lynches going and red was one, though? Good excuse to avoid the red one entirely.

Clearer response: I didn't vote pez d1
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Chris is alive i would safely assume town.

Tom Bombadil posted...

I don't think I voted him yesterday

You didn't even humor voting him despite supposedly thinking Pez's argument was compelling. You kinda just ignored the lynch existed. I'm saying you positioned him as one, not that you ever needed to use it. For example if someone had asked if you suspected red and the lynch was red vs I dunno, me, it would be an easy excuse to lynch me instead.

I think you're being a bit (intentionally?) daft if you think I'm literally talking about votes here. It's about motivations. Obviously I can see from vote records where your vote was and wasn't (when I actually look at them) but I'm just saying your progression of suspicion on the two doesn't come off as natural to me.

This is repetitive, anyway. Anyone who is convinced will be and anyone who won't be convinced won't be at this point.
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The entire game I think at least one of my top suspects was among the Lynch leaders

Sorry for not ditching them to vote a neutral I guess
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I hate when pages roll over. I spent like 5 min refreshing the previous page before I noticed the 6 of 7.

Corrik is Corrik. Lopen doesn't understand Tom. Is this I think I'm smarter than you, legitimate ignorance, or scum hiding. Everyone else can pick. I think it's probably 40/40/20 break down on those possibilities. Tom is getting frustrated.

I'd like to point out that Tom isn't really deflecting. I'd expect him to be doing that more as scum. If you'd like a specific example he was cagey D1 when I was accusing him in WWE mafia and outright didn't make sense D2 when Death had a scan on him. Here he's angry. If he was scum and he felt cornered he'd be a tad more defeatist. He'd probably try to play it off with more humor. He probably wouldn't respond with much anger. Weigh that paragraph with what you guys know of Tom and make your own read. I'm not a magic 8 ball. I could be wrong. But that's what I see. You guys have known Tom for years too. What do you think an angry Tom points to?

Maybe frustrated is a better word?
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That isn't to say the option in which said person is scum is off the table, but I'm not running on that assumption unless there is compelling reason to think otherwise.

Leafeon13N posted...

That isn't to say the option in which said person is scum is off the table, but I'm not running on that assumption unless there is compelling reason to think otherwise.

Translation, don't forget that I COULD be scum with Chris. Therefore when I flip scum remember he might scum too because Rule 1.
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The fun part is lopen is still probably a town lean for me

Dwindling rapidly as he starts getting flaily the last page or so but
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pezloco posted...

Translation, don't forget that I COULD be scum with Chris. Therefore when I flip scum remember he might scum too because Rule 1.

What the hell is this on about?

Tom Bombadil posted...

The fun part is lopen is still probably a town lean for me

Dwindling rapidly as he starts getting flaily the last page or so but

I didn't have a town read on him until the Red stuff. I'm not sure what to make of the current line of questioning. I can't remember a time that people voted for you after most of the talk surrounding you had been positive except when scum was on the lynch. And Lopen and Ulti were two of my scum reads and are two of the three voting for you.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

The fun part is lopen is still probably a town lean for me

Lopen is frustrating to me because i absolutely dont like his play but I'll also concede that Chris knows Lopen a lot better than me.

Here. If it makes you feel better, Tom, before I go to sleep.

##Unvote
##Vote: Red

You (and Pun/Pez going to bat for you, mostly-- though your sheer tenacity here is somewhat admirable and convincing in its own right even though I still don't believe the words) at minimum successfully convinced me that you aren't a 100% lock when Red flips scum, so I might as well keep on the slam dunk.

(Also, as the great Luis once said, this Tom lynch is rudderless right now)
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I am not sure a vote on the watcher claim makes me feel better but thanks I guess

Probably my cue to sleep too thanks pez let's rock this I'll most likely Lynch you in the morning

The second part was mostly a princess Bride joke you see it's a parody of the most likely kill you in the morning and I am referencing how pez has been helpful even though I believe him to be scum which no doubt will annoy lopen and probably others

Think of it like a leashed sk

NOW I'm mentioning sk for no reason I'm on a roll
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I am not sure a vote on the watcher claim makes me feel better but thanks I guess

Probably my cue to sleep too thanks pez let's rock this I'll most likely Lynch you in the morning

The second part was mostly a princess Bride joke you see it's a parody of the most likely kill you in the morning and I am referencing how pez has been helpful even though I believe him to be scum which no doubt will annoy lopen and probably others

Think of it like a leashed sk

NOW I'm mentioning sk for no reason I'm on a roll

This whole post made me smile.
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Wait.

Im trying to catch up. Im on page 1. Reds claim is a lie.

He 100% is not miss marple.

5tarscream posted...

He 100% is not miss marple.

He would have a safe list. Unless you are claiming something here.

Also, dear friends.

I have made a mistake. I let myself get distracted. I am willing to put my renowned fame in mafia on the line that Mzero is scum. I have a dead read on him. I would fake a scan and not retract to "confirm" as town scanner when he flips scum. But, I want your trust through honesty. Mzero is scum. I assure you of this. Please help me Lynch him and have your faith in me rewarded. I would appreciate it.

Have faith in me.

##unvote:
##vote: mzero
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Corrik7 posted...

5tarscream posted...

He 100% is not miss marple.

He would have a safe list. Unless you are claiming something here.

Also, dear friends.

I have made a mistake. I let myself get distracted. I am willing to put my renowned fame in mafia on the line that Mzero is scum. I have a dead read on him. I would fake a scan and not retract to "confirm" as town scanner when he flips scum. But, I want your trust through honesty. Mzero is scum. I assure you of this. Please help me Lynch him and have your faith in me rewarded. I would appreciate it.

Have faith in me.

##unvote:
##vote: mzero

Finally, something worth believing in!
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Leafeon13N posted...

Chris is alive i would safely assume town.

Poisoned, rolecop, flavor scanner, etc.

But, my question was... Did you view the person as town, if you had not seen them on Chris as you claim. I am asking for your view of them independent of your scan result claim.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

5tarscream posted...

He 100% is not miss marple.

He would have a safe list. Unless you are claiming something here.

Also, dear friends.

I have made a mistake. I let myself get distracted. I am willing to put my renowned fame in mafia on the line that Mzero is scum. I have a dead read on him. I would fake a scan and not retract to "confirm" as town scanner when he flips scum. But, I want your trust through honesty. Mzero is scum. I assure you of this. Please help me Lynch him and have your faith in me rewarded. I would appreciate it.

Have faith in me.

##unvote:
##vote: mzero

Finally, something worth believing in!

Yes, sir! I value your support in this mighty quest to rid the lands of this evil!
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pezloco posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

What I've seen is Pez saying Tom is town and Tom at one point saying Pez is 70% scum.

So if I'm to believe they don't often try to misdirect town and can read each other well, it's pretty cut and dry. What do you have to say to that, Pez?

I'd say there are only two reasonable possibilities, both of which have Tom as town. I guess there's like a 1% chance Tom is SK or some other third party. But I doubt that very much. 1% is probably way too high.

I've already said this before Tom voted me (I think), if Tom or I ever vote for the other you guys should heavily weigh that in your reads. I believe this was the post where I said I wasn't likely to ever claim the phrase roommate powers again. Roommate powers was when he or I was 100% certain of the other. The fact is we haven't lived together or even in the same state for more than half a decade we don't know each other quite as well as we used to. But we certainly know each other better than possibly any other pair in the game know each other. To ignore what one says about the other is foolish.

So what im reading here is trust Tom and lynch you?
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Let me make this clearer.

Night 1 you supposedly chose Chris to scan.

You supposedly got a name of 1 person who visited him.

You have said you assume this person is town because why else would they be on chris, etc.

My question is, prior to this supposed result you got, did you think this person was town or scum based on your read of the game to that point.

Basically, I want to know what your read of them was based on their play. Not your result.
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thats way too fishy i'm not answering that.
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red13n posted...

thats way too fishy i'm not answering that.

I find it hard to believe if you felt the person was scum based on play you would automatically flip to assuming they were town solely based on your result.
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you think i would answer either way corrik? i'm not going to tip information.
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red13n posted...

you think i would answer either way corrik? i'm not going to tip information.

Assuming you have any.

I find it quite interesting how many people still seem to find red a viable lynch target despite uncountered Watcher claim.

Do you agree, red?
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Also someone paged Vulpix. That is irritating. I want you to know I cleared it without checking. Never ping Vulpix.

Their purpose is to give me page/post/timestamp updates. Not engage in anything unless emergency.
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5tar, if you can seal the deal on red then do so. I am miffed at how the now u countered watcher claim is up to 5 votes again after being 8 not long ago. Either we got a lot of scanners who doubt red who don't wanna go public or something is weird.
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That kind of is your own fault, red. Don't post into the game with an account you don't want to be addressed by in the game.
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Fish ALL the info!

Course 5tar is kinda asking for it but
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Fish ALL the info!

Course 5tar is kinda asking for it but

Why would someone EVER make such bold claims if they didn't want to explain how they know that!

Lol
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Ok so Im into this page. Let me be clearer. I KNOW reds claim is a lie. I dont think it. I absolutely know for sure that he is not miss marple. Also I know that he is 95% not town watcher. Hes lying

5tarscream posted...

Ok so Im into this page. Let me be clearer. I KNOW reds claim is a lie. I dont think it. I absolutely know for sure that he is not miss marple. Also I know that he is 95% not town watcher. Hes lying

Do you care to tell us how you know that? He would have a safe list as scum. Are you implying he claimed off the safe list of that you flavor scanned him.
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Red you again are oddly silent when confronted. By both Chris and 5tar now.
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Both. Hes obviously using the safe list if hes scum. Also I scanned red N1 thats why I was on him from the start and trying to force a claim. He claimed. Its absolutely nothing at all like his flavour. Like his flavour couldnt be less miss Marple

Would kinda be funny if red shot Chris and knew someone visited Chris cuz he was blocked and knew anyone visiting Chris wouldn't want to claim and he could get by without claiming who and anyone who did visit Chris would assume they were the one.

Just a random aside.

Still have faith red is town. And 5tar. Who is saying red isn't.
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5tarscream posted...

Both. Hes obviously using the safe list if hes scum. Also I scanned red N1 thats why I was on him from the start and trying to force a claim. He claimed. Its absolutely nothing at all like his flavour. Like his flavour couldnt be less miss Marple

What is his flavor then?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

No need to fish for info, and 5tar you have zero reason to actually give your claim or what you found. We just kill Red and keep it moving.

I don't understand why if he said he flavor scanned red that he cannot say what red's flavor is. Red did not fake claim his flavor as town.

Inb4 red is sk.
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Red could obviously prove he is a watcher by saying who visited Chris if it came down to it.

If he truly is.
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i'm kind of curious what he thinks he has.
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Kinda annoyed 5tar isn't saying what red's flavor supposedly is if not what he claimed.
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*sigh* inb4 5tar claims you are not miss Marple, you are Agatha Christie. And he is googling right now and realizing an oops right now.
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So, 5tar is thief who just claimed and is now trying to make sure he is right the flavor doesn't add up via Google. So, this may have been a really bad claim.by 5tar.
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