Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 274: Rebuttigieg

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pxlated posted...

so as long as i just use the quote function as normal without editing it, i'm good? thanks

Basically, yeah.

You see how in posts you quote, you can click on the "Reg Posted..." Bit and the original post will pop up? That's the other side of that functionality.

nice. gamefaqs finally modernizing their forums! half a decade too late probably but i'm all for it. i'm still impressed that we can finally upload images directly.

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pxlated posted...

so, i skimmed the last several pages because most of it felt like rehashing old arguments, so maybe someone maybe this point already, i apologize if so.

the idea that, if bernie wins the nomination that we might lose down-ballot races is pretty fucking stupid. if bernie wins the nomination it's because of his unprecedented grass-roots movement. it's because of the best sustained campaign organizing we've certainly ever seen in our lifetimes from a democrat (honestly, donald trump is probably the modern comparison here, dude has never stopped campaigning). to suggest that, if bernie does manage to get that massive grass roots movement to turn out in large enough numbers to secure him the nomination will just ignore the down-ballot races is mind-numbingly stupid.

the logical take here is that, if bernie wins, we're *more* likely to win down-ballot races. if bernie wins, it's because he's turning out large numbers of people that normally don't vote. i fail to see any logical argument that these people wont also vote blue down ticket.

Well the argument about him hurting down ballot is based on the following two things:

1. a belief that hes weaker than a moderate overall, even if he still might be able to win (I understand that you disagree)
2. The fact that the Dem 2018 House gains were overwhelmingly in districts that were won by turning out moderate upper middle class people, which are exactly where you would expect Sanders to be at his weakest

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Well the argument about him hurting down ballot is based on the following two things:
1. a belief that hes weaker than a moderate overall, even if he still might not be able to win (I understand that you disagree)
2. The fact that the Dem 2018 House gains were overwhelmingly in districts that were won by turning out moderate upper middle class districts which are exactly where you would expect Sanders to be at his weakest

i mean, i guess these are fair arguments from a perspective like yours. i think that perspective is fundamentally blind to the realities of the progressive movement but we both know that this is an argument that will go nowhere.

thanks for the honest response

edit: i will say though that i dont think 2018's turnout was about *any* of the candidates that ended up winning so much as it was about sticking it to trump. i think you could have replaced any of the winning democrats with bernie-level leftists (which, despite what the media would like you to believe is not actually extreme left) and the results would have been the same (or arguably better!)

but this is speculation so debating it is pointless

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'National' Poll of Super Tuesday states:

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233489473947754496

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Reg posted...

That was Jakyl iirc, basically cutting the link between the quote block and the post it was quoting, so the script that hid it if the original post was ignored wouldn't work.

I complained about no such thing
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...well those debates sure did a lot to hurt bloomberg -_-

i appreciate warren's efforts though. she probably cost him an extra $100 mil, which is depressing to think that's absolutely nothing to him but it went to somewhere else that isn't his bank and i appreciate that.

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There's apparently a weird split between Sanders' national polls and state polls which Nate's talked about a bit (he's doing non-negligibly better in national polls). I don't really know what to make of it:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1233409208835616770

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The fact that the Dem 2018 House gains were overwhelmingly in districts that were won by turning out moderate upper middle class people, which are exactly where you would expect Sanders to be at his weakest

The people werent inspired to turnout.

Bernies theory of change relies on his campaign motivating that turnout.

Its why if this primary doesnt show the votes, I dont want Bernie at the top of the ticket because its a guaranteed loss.


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Jakyl25 posted...

I complained about no such thing

He is saying you are the person who was doing what he is complaining about

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Jakyl25 posted...

I complained about no such thing

I think he was saying you were the one accidentally breaking the quotes

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https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1233525800961560576

Very comforting to know that there has now been domestic coronavirus spread both to the north and south of me

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https://twitter.com/peterhamby/status/1233545153513709568?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/peterhamby/status/1233545153513709568?s=21

There is a very obvious explanation for this. There is no contested Republican primary this year.

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red sox 777 posted...

There is a very obvious explanation for this. There is no contested Republican primary this year.

SC GOP elected officials were openly pushing for Republicans to vote for Bernie in the primary. Hoping that isn't significant.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

SC GOP elected officials were openly pushing for Republicans to vote for Bernie in the primary. Hoping that isn't significant.

What's the problem? They think Bernie is the best candidate running in the primary that's being contested. They have as much of a right to vote as anyone else.

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red sox 777 posted...

What's the problem? They think Bernie is the best candidate running in the primary that's being contested. They have as much of a right to vote as anyone else.

If they thought he was the best candidate it would be fine. They're specifically being urged to vote for Sanders because they think he's the weakest general election candidate.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

If they thought he was the best candidate it would be fine. They're specifically being urged to vote for Sanders because they think he's the weakest general election candidate.

I mean, democrats thought that of Trump.

So hey, thanks GOP!~

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LordoftheMorons posted...

SC GOP elected officials were openly pushing for Republicans to vote for Bernie in the primary.

You love to see it.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

If they thought he was the best candidate it would be fine. They're specifically being urged to vote for Sanders because they think he's the weakest general election candidate.

Doesn't contradict with them thinking he's the best!

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Like LOTM, do you think we Republicans support Mike Pence or Mitch McConnell because we think they are the best choices in some abstract sense? No, we support them because they are darn good at getting our agenda done.

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Wow, I was worried I was being overly dramatic when I said GDC might be cancelled over coronavirus.

https://venturebeat.com/2020/02/28/gdc-postponed-as-multiple-participants-pull-out-over-coronavirus-fears/

GDC is...looking pretty cancelled. "postponed till summer" in this announcement. Other announcements are saying that speakers who want to will put their talks online, which makes me think there won't be a summer event. RIP my flight and hotel, not sure if I should ask for my vacation days back, or just fly up and spend the week there anyway.

In 30 years of the conference, this is the fist time this has happened.

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Also, remember:

Bernie doesn't want to lock up poor people.
Bernie doesn't think poor people are deplorable.
Bernie doesn't think poor people are irredeemable.
Bernie doesn't think anyone who doesn't support liberal social policies is deplorable.
Bernie doesn't think anyone who doesn't support liberal social policies is irredeemable.
Bernie believes in democracy.
Bernie does not believe money should play a big role in politics.
Bernie understands that neoliberal ecoomics has not worked for at least 80% of the country.

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metroid composite posted...

Wow, I was worried I was being overly dramatic when I said GDC might be cancelled over coronavirus.

https://venturebeat.com/2020/02/28/gdc-postponed-as-multiple-participants-pull-out-over-coronavirus-fears/

GDC is...looking pretty cancelled. "postponed till summer" in this announcement. Other announcements are saying that speakers who want to will put their talks online, which makes me think there won't be a summer event. RIP my flight and hotel, not sure if I should ask for my vacation days back, or just fly up and spend the week there anyway.

In 30 years of the conference, this is the fist time this has happened.

Why would you fly into an area that could be a hotbed for a virus which is the entire reason they are cancelling the conference, why the developers dropped out. A lot of booking sites are being very accommodating with understanding cancellations right now due to the virus.

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Well maybe all the indie developers getting fucked over by nonrefundable hotels and flights will also be there!

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Another fun story: Trump is renominating John Ratcliffe for DNI a year after he had to pull him due to bipartisan opposition

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Another fun story: Trump is renominating John Ratcliffe for DNI a year after he had to pull him due to bipartisan opposition

Thanks Nancy!

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https://twitter.com/ryanbrooks/status/1233576807078801416

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.. lmao

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Steyer is great

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Seems like he would be a fun guy to hang out with

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In case you were worried about all Coronavirus communication being routed through Pences office, rest assured that someone with great judgment is making those decisions:

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1233473979400282113?s=21

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LordoftheMorons posted...

In case you were worried about all Coronavirus communication being routed through Pences office, rest assured that someone with great judgment is making those decisions:

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1233473979400282113?s=21

I don't know what depresses me more - that the corona virus is going to kill thousands more than it should because of the administration's bungling, or that Stephen Miller is married.

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Honestly this reaction is entirely too late anyway. It was here weeks ago, nothing came of it, so any reaction now is loooong over. It's reacting to a pandemic phase, not trying to stop one. Trump's reaction is shit but any issues right now probably aren't due to it. It's the lack of action to save face for China that hindered us far too much.

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Kinglicious posted...

Honestly this reaction is entirely too late anyway. It was here weeks ago, nothing came of it, so any reaction now is loooong over. It's reacting to a pandemic phase, not trying to stop one. Trump's reaction is shit but any issues right now probably aren't due to it. It's the lack of action to save face for China that hindered us far too much.

Nothing you can do about it. Once it broke Chinese containment, it is impossible to stop. Probably every single country in the world has it now whether they realize it or not. How you gonna stop the transmission barring a complete shutting of borders. It's impossible.

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Like, you got people on resetera talking about how the panic is dumb in Valencia we have the most cases in Spain and everyone is as normal. No panic. Why should yinz be. Well, operating as normal is the reason it is impossible to not spread. You needed full lock downs like China and the china one happened too late anyways and still failed. It's impossible to stop.

You got people even here talking about how it's so dumb their conference they wanted to go to is canceled. While others are complaining the administration didn't stop it. You can't have both.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html

President Donald Trump said Friday that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a hoax to damage him and his administration.

The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, he said from a campaign rally in North Charleston, South Carolina.

One of my people came up to me and said Mr. President they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didnt work out too well. They couldnt do it. They tried the impeachment hoax that was on a perfect conversation, he continued.

This is their new hoax, he said, referring to the coronavirus.

God

Damnit

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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1233412547958755329?s=21
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https://twitter.com/spittingback/status/1233605604222099456?s=21

Bill Mahers show is feeling the Bern, wtf is going on

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KamikazePotato posted...

God

Damnit

Yep Coronavirus is a hoax. Nothing to see here.

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KamikazePotato posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html

God

Damnit

This is literally true

Anyone who thinks the coronavirus is any more of a problem than SARS or bird flu is an idiot or a hack

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Uhh Coronavirus passed up SARS on the problem scale a long time ago. Both surpassed bird flu on a human scale.

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red13n posted...

Uhh Coronavirus passed up SARS on the problem scale a long time ago. Both surpassed bird flu on a human scale.

Hack

There is nothing to worry about unless you are heavily invested in media hysteria

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Please tell me the coronavirus death toll vs tuberculosis in 2020. I need to know because I'm an uninformed loser on a message board!!


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I'm a healthy 33 year old with access to supplies and medical services I have nothing to worry about.

A good chunk of the population is not in my situation and flu season still has a couple months to go.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Please tell me the coronavirus death toll vs tuberculosis in 2020. I need to know because I'm an uninformed loser on a message board!!

We screen our population like crazy for TB.

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red13n posted...

I'm a healthy 33 year old with access to supplies and medical services I have nothing to worry about.

A good chunk of the population is not in my situation and flu season still has a couple months to go.

Please tell me the coronavirus death rate in the elderly vs common pneumonia please I need to know because I'm stupid and scared!!!

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I'm stupid

Got him


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Im not worried for myself, but the last time my son got a regular-ass cold he ended up in an induced coma on a ventilator for 6 weeks, so

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Im not worried for myself, but the last time my son got a regular-ass cold he ended up in an induced coma on a ventilator for 6 weeks, so

Coronavirus generally has not affected children, so your finger crossing may have worked!

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